Bottled Water Is Out, Boxed Water Is In!

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As unbelievably stupid as it may sound, there are people out there that want you to believe that buying boxed water is better for the earth. You heard me right….BOXED…water. I do my part for the environment (and my wallet) by drinking water from the tap.
 
If your GOING to drink bottled water and not from the tap or filtered tap, then cardboard certainly does biodegrade better than plastic, which is made from oil.
 
just when I was getting used to canned bottled water... :(

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Steve said:
As unbelievably stupid as it may sound, there are people out there that want you to believe that buying boxed water is better for the earth. You heard me right….BOXED…water. I do my part for the environment (and my wallet) by drinking water from the tap.
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How is it unbelievably stupid? A 3rd grader can tell you that cardboard decomposes, whereas plastic-not so much.
 
Just so we are clear, I am against paying for: bottled water, boxed water, canned air, etc. etc. ...you know, anything that is free to start with, stuffed in a packaged and then sold back to me.
 
Steve said:
Just so we are clear, I am against paying for: bottled water, boxed water, canned air, etc. etc. ...you know, anything that is free to start with, stuffed in a packaged and then sold back to me.
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I agree. The best solution is to buy a water bottle, and fill it from you tap yourself and carry that with you. People bitched that gas was $3 a gallon yet had no problem paying $1.50 - $2.00 for a 20oz bottle of watter.
 
Tap water where I live sucks. Smells funny and tastes worse. Thank God for Brita filters.. Just damn sick of filling the freaking container every other day, since I've started shunning soda.
 
Steve said:
Just so we are clear, I am against paying for: bottled water, boxed water, canned air, etc. etc. ...you know, anything that is free to start with, stuffed in a packaged and then sold back to me.
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Everything meets that qualification.

Water is free like food is free.
 
UrielDagda said:
Tap water where I live sucks. Smells funny and tastes worse. Thank God for Brita filters.. Just damn sick of filling the freaking container every other day, since I've started shunning soda.
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My Brita pitcher was probably my best investment in the last 4-5 years, before I had a roommate I'd have to refill it twice a day, but now it's a real pain :(
 
Canned water. That's hilarious.

I was curious not only where this company is located but also where they get their water. Lo and behold, the website says they are located in Grand Rapids, MI and get their water from Minnesota. From their description, it looks like all they do is filter the water. I wanna know why they can't just filter and bottle the water they have in MI instead of transporting it from MN. Lots of other bottled water do the same thing but if you're gonna promote a 'green' way to do it, why the need to 'import' water?
 
TheCAD said:
Everything meets that qualification.

Water is free like food is free.
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Not really. The water is freely sitting there, nobody paid to "make" it. And for some they get it nearly free (from a pump that gets it out of ground which just cost for the power to run the pump) or whatever the cost fo city water is.

Your food cost money to get it there from that start. It cost the farmers money to plant the field, to fertilize it, to harvest it. It cost farmers money to buy feed for their animals and to transport them to butchering. It then cost money for companies to take raw materials and like meat, grain and dairy to then produce stuff like frozen pizza, chips, cerial... Now if you grow your own stuff then yes it is closer to free.

Nobody has to produce water, yet they have to produce food. So while I understand what you are trying to say in your post, I don't feel that your statement is correct.
 
Steve said:
Just so we are clear, I am against paying for: bottled water, boxed water, canned air, etc. etc. ...you know, anything that is free to start with, stuffed in a packaged and then sold back to me.
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while i generally agree. I will point out one issue with water. Thanks to many factors most of our water is bad for you.

So ok we treat it and send it to the tap, in MOST places in the US that treatment includes chlorine, which works, but makes water taste like ass. More importantly it contains flouride. Which is a bi-product of industry, and is NOT dental grade flouride.

Also it is shown that ingestion of flouride is bad for you.

So its a catch 22, pay for something that should be free or drink contaminated. Yes in a way its a lose lose situation, but given the two i'll go with reverse osmosis purified water or protected spring water.

The boxes are a good idea, as is the can, cans are recyclable and boxes decompose AND are recyclable. Better solutions than plastic bottles and don't taste like death.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
How is it unbelievably stupid? A 3rd grader can tell you that cardboard decomposes, whereas plastic-not so much.
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I think you missed the part where the box contains water. You know, that stuff that costs 99% less, is 100% as safe, and used 0% of the packaging when you get it from a tap?

I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would actually buy bottled water beyond being placed in a situation without options.
 
when i clicked on the link i was expecting to see boxed water like as in boxed wine....
 
Exavior said:
I agree. The best solution is to buy a water bottle, and fill it from you tap yourself and carry that with you. People bitched that gas was $3 a gallon yet had no problem paying $1.50 - $2.00 for a 20oz bottle of watter.
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how is that even remotely related? :confused: gas is a necessity, bottled water is a convenience/fashion statement.
 
UrielDagda said:
Tap water where I live sucks. Smells funny and tastes worse. Thank God for Brita filters.. Just damn sick of filling the freaking container every other day, since I've started shunning soda.
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I used to have a Brita filter so I know how much of a hassle it is to fill. Now my fridge does have an inline filter. Never going back....lol
 
Steve said:
Just so we are clear, I am against paying for: bottled water, boxed water, canned air, etc. etc. ...you know, anything that is free to start with, stuffed in a packaged and then sold back to me.
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I agree, I've been packaging air myself since birth :)
 
Manaknight said:
while i generally agree. I will point out one issue with water. Thanks to many factors most of our water is bad for you.

So ok we treat it and send it to the tap, in MOST places in the US that treatment includes chlorine, which works, but makes water taste like ass. More importantly it contains flouride. Which is a bi-product of industry, and is NOT dental grade flouride.

Also it is shown that ingestion of flouride is bad for you.

So its a catch 22, pay for something that should be free or drink contaminated. Yes in a way its a lose lose situation, but given the two i'll go with reverse osmosis purified water or protected spring water.

The boxes are a good idea, as is the can, cans are recyclable and boxes decompose AND are recyclable. Better solutions than plastic bottles and don't taste like death.
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An extremely well-cited Wikipedia article disagrees with you on the dangers of fluoridation...

Fluoride's adverse effects depend on total fluoride dosage from all sources. At the commonly recommended dosage, the only clear adverse effect is dental fluorosis, which can alter the appearance of children's teeth during tooth development; this is mostly mild and is unlikely to represent any real effect on aesthetic appearance or on public health.[9] Compared to water naturally fluoridated at 0.4 mg/L, fluoridation to 1 mg/L is estimated to cause additional fluorosis in one of every 6 people (95% CI 4–21 people), and to cause additional fluorosis of aesthetic concern in one of every 22 people (95% CI 13.6–∞ people). Here, aesthetic concern is a term used in a standardized scale based on what adolescents would find unacceptable, as measured by a 1996 study of British 14-year-olds.[11] In many industrialized countries the prevalence of fluorosis is increasing even in unfluoridated communities, mostly due to fluoride from swallowed toothpaste.[37] A 2008 systematic review found suggestive evidence that fluorosis is caused by fluoride in infant formula or in water added to reconstitute the formula, though the evidence may be distorted by publication bias or confounding factors.[43] In the U.S. the decline in tooth decay was accompanied by increased fluorosis in both fluoridated and unfluoridated communities; accordingly, fluoride has been reduced in various ways worldwide in infant formulas, children's toothpaste, water, and fluoride-supplement schedules.[42]

Fluoridation has little effect on risk of bone fracture (broken bones); it may result in slightly lower fracture risk than either excessively high levels of fluoridation or no fluoridation.[9] There is no clear association between fluoridation and cancer or deaths due to cancer, both for cancer in general and also specifically for bone cancer and osteosarcoma.[9] Other adverse effects lack sufficient evidence to reach a confident conclusion.[11] Fear that water is fluoridated may have a psychological effect with a large variety of symptoms, regardless of whether the water is actually fluoridated.[1]

Fluoride can occur naturally in water in concentrations well above recommended levels, which can have several long-term adverse effects, including severe dental fluorosis, skeletal fluorosis, and weakened bones.[44] The World Health Organization recommends a guideline maximum fluoride value of 1.5 mg/L as a level at which fluorosis should be minimal.[45] In rare cases improper implementation of water fluoridation can result in overfluoridation that causes outbreaks of acute fluoride poisoning, with symptoms that include nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Three such outbreaks were reported in the U.S. between 1991 and 1998, caused by fluoride concentrations as high as 220 mg/L; in the 1992 Alaska outbreak, 262 people became ill and one person died.[46]

Like other common water additives such as chlorine, hydrofluosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride decrease pH and cause a small increase of corrosivity, but this problem is easily addressed by increasing the pH.[47] Although it has been hypothesized that hydrofluosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride might increase human lead uptake from water, a 2006 statistical analysis did not support concerns that these chemicals cause higher blood lead concentrations in children.[48] Trace levels of arsenic and lead may be present in fluoride compounds added to water, but no credible evidence exists that their presence is of concern: concentrations are below measurement limits.[47]

The effect of water fluoridation on the environment has been investigated, and no adverse effects have been established. Issues studied have included fluoride concentrations in groundwater and downstream rivers; lawns, gardens, and plants; consumption of plants grown in fluoridated water; air emissions; and equipment noise.[47]
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I have Culligan bottled water delivery. $6.50 for 5 gallons, delivered to my house. I don't know how green (god I hate that term) it is. The water bottles are all reusable so there is no waste there, but it gets delivered from truck so it uses gas.

My water is so bad that filters like in Britta water filters get totally clogged up after about a 3rd of their rated use. Culligan costs me about $20 more a month than filters, but having instant hot and cold water out of the water cooler is worth the cost.
 
You should know tap water still has human cocka in it. They allow up to 20-30 percent of human crap to be left in the water. Its full of chemicals also like chlorine thats used for pools. Should always get a reverse osmosis filter.
 
Manaknight said:
while i generally agree. I will point out one issue with water. Thanks to many factors most of our water is bad for you.

So ok we treat it and send it to the tap, in MOST places in the US that treatment includes chlorine, which works, but makes water taste like ass. More importantly it contains flouride. Which is a bi-product of industry, and is NOT dental grade flouride.

Also it is shown that ingestion of flouride is bad for you.
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And you know what ? 90% of those bottled/boxed waters are from exactly same source, goes through exactly the same process as the one going to you via pipes. And the remainig 10% tastes bad, because those are the mineral watters, and they have a taste due different minerals in it.
 
Exavior said:
Not really. The water is freely sitting there, nobody paid to "make" it. And for some they get it nearly free (from a pump that gets it out of ground which just cost for the power to run the pump) or whatever the cost fo city water is.

Your food cost money to get it there from that start. It cost the farmers money to plant the field, to fertilize it, to harvest it. It cost farmers money to buy feed for their animals and to transport them to butchering. It then cost money for companies to take raw materials and like meat, grain and dairy to then produce stuff like frozen pizza, chips, cerial... Now if you grow your own stuff then yes it is closer to free.

Nobody has to produce water, yet they have to produce food. So while I understand what you are trying to say in your post, I don't feel that your statement is correct.
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Water has to be purified. That costs money.
 
faugusztin said:
And you know what ? 90% of those bottled/boxed waters are from exactly same source, goes through exactly the same process as the one going to you via pipes. And the remainig 10% tastes bad, because those are the mineral watters, and they have a taste due different minerals in it.
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i research sources before i purchase water.

by law they are required to tell you if it is from a municipal water source.

not really trying to argue, to each his own and thats cool. I just don't like the taste of tap water and prefer my water without flouridation.

http://humanrights.suite101.com/article.cfm/research_on_dangers_of_flouride

http://www.ewg.org/node/8778

just some stuff to read up on, not quite as impressive sounding as wiki, but still, this can go both ways.
 
Nemesis999 said:
I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would actually buy bottled water beyond being placed in a situation without options.
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Because many people are blessed with a municipal water source that tastes like you're guzzling pool water. My town, for example. I don't even like showering using city water, I feel like Im showering In some chemical.
 
Wow a bunch of water snobs in this thread, stop acting like my 13 year old daughter and be a man and just drink the water from the tap.
 
I'm very lucky to have extremely clean water coming directly from a fresh water aquifer. The pump station is less than a mile from my house and the water out of the tap is great. I can't really fault people for drinking bottled water though. I have been to some places where I couldn't even bear to brush my teeth in the water that comes from the tap.
 
Oh and I drink water from the tap. Right after its boiled and cooled down in the fridge.
 
Our water has 5mg/L fluoride levels, a pH of around 7.9-8.2, and tons of dissolved solids. It tastes like absolute ass. If we did not have an RO unit, we would be buying bottled water. Don't give me this use the tap bullshit. Try a glass of our water, you'll gag.
 
Steve said:
just when I was getting used to canned bottled water... :(

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The insane thing is what the label actually says: Water for dire emergency!

I guess you are supposed to drink that only during oh-noes situations.:p
 
Exavior said:
I agree. The best solution is to buy a water bottle, and fill it from you tap yourself and carry that with you. People bitched that gas was $3 a gallon yet had no problem paying $1.50 - $2.00 for a 20oz bottle of watter.
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Pure fucking truth.
 
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