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yorkman said:
Yes, I have a case fan at the front (blowing air in) and back (blowing air out) and the Scythe fan mounted under the HS (in my vertical tower it's under the HS and it's hopefully taking out the heat from the HS and out to the bottom of the case where the front and back fans will draw it out.
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I may be dense but I still can't visualize this setup. Can you post a pic? If not:

1) Is the tower HS mounted horizontally?
2) You mentioned the fan is on the bottom, is it pushing air up through the HS, or pulling air down through it?

I get the impression that the HS is mounted horizontally, and that the fan is pulling air down through the HS. I've found to get much better cooling by pushing air through the HS. If there is a fan pulling air out of the case that is above the HS, I think this would work better for you as well.

Ideally, if I'm picturing your setup correctly you'd want to mount the HS vertically, and put the fan on the right side of the HS, pushing air from right-to-left, front-to-rear.

My examples:
In my Mini P180 I mount the HS horizontally, and push air through the HS up and out (bottom-to-top (where the big 200mm exhaust fan is.))

In the NSK3480 I mount the HS vertically, and push air through the HS from right-to-left (front-to-back (where the 120mm exhaust fan is.))

All that said, if it ain't broke..... Your temps are good. :cool:
 
bing said:
What RAM are you running? Also, can you please repost a larger screenshot? I can't make out some of the items in the one you posted. (I like to use IrfanView, and when I resize the pic I choose "Apply Sharpen after Resample" option.)
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Im using Corsair PC8500 2x1GB. Here's the CPU-Z Validation. Ok I'll try to post larger pic when I've got home :)
 
Battlestar said:
Im using Corsair PC8500 2x1GB. Here's the CPU-Z Validation. Ok I'll try to post larger pic when I've got home :)
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Cool, thanks. If you could post your HWMonitor screenshot too I'd appreciate it. (I want to compare the different voltages.) If you're not familiar with HWMonitor, get it from the same place as CPU-Z.
 
MrGuvernment said:
lol, your kidding right, it was Epic biggest flop of a game, with the what, 1-5 servers with people actually on it.

UT2004 is where it is at!
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I'm a big UT3 fan even though I've only played the original UT before that. What's so good about UT2004 that's not with UT3?
 
bing said:
In my Mini P180 I mount the HS horizontally, and push air through the HS up and out (bottom-to-top (where the big 200mm exhaust fan is.))

In the NSK3480 I mount the HS vertically, and push air through the HS from right-to-left (front-to-back (where the 120mm exhaust fan is.))

All that said, if it ain't broke..... Your temps are good. :cool:
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I would place the HS the same way as you. And you are right: I think he has placed his HS 'horizontally', which can't be optimal.
 
NichoTL said:
You are running your RAMs at 890MHz. Change the ratio and you'll be at 1066 or so (don't forget to up the voltage).
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Yeah, on my CPU-Z validation it displays PC6400 though I have PC8500. I thought this is normal because our mobo supports natively 800Mhz only? Sorry for mix-up this is my first time to run PC8500 (former PC6400 dram user). Also, I thought the 1:1 ratio is everyone's prefer to use? Lastly, is there any way to change my rams settings into 1066? AFAIK if you change the setting to 1066 the FSB and FSB strap is also automatically change.I also tried the 533 FSB, 7.5 Ratio and 333 on FSB strap to achieve 4Ghz but failed to OCCT :(
 
NichoTL said:
I'm a big UT3 fan even though I've only played the original UT before that. What's so good about UT2004 that's not with UT3?
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I didn't upgrade from UT2K3 because of the poor reviews for UT3. I guess I didn't realize there was a UT2004. I'll have to go check the wiki page, but I thought it all went downhill when Midway?? took over...
 
ya CPU Z seems weird, this was under Windows 7, but i run the same apps on my other rig fine.


i got my Q6600 @ 2.7 right now with everything on auto, just wanted to get it back up so i could watch some moviues, going to play around with it shortly though and can post some bios info to help get the most i can out of it :D
 
Battlestar said:
Yeah, on my CPU-Z validation it displays PC6400 though I have PC8500. I thought this is normal because our mobo supports natively 800Mhz only? Sorry for mix-up this is my first time to run PC8500 (former PC6400 dram user). Also, I thought the 1:1 ratio is everyone's prefer to use? Lastly, is there any way to change my rams settings into 1066? AFAIK if you change the setting to 1066 the FSB and FSB strap is also automatically change.I also tried the 533 FSB, 7.5 Ratio and 333 on FSB strap to achieve 4Ghz but failed to OCCT :(
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1:1 ratio is convenient when you are looking to up the FSB. Then, especially if you have good memory, your DIMMs don't limit you. In the 333 FSB strap, there are 2 choices for the RAM on this board: 1:1 and 5:6 (which correspond to 667MHz and 800MHz when your bus runs at 333Mhz). If you pick 5:6 now you will get 445x1.2=534MHz (1068) on your RAM. I think you said you RAM was rated at 1066 @2.0-2.1V. So you only need to up the voltage to 2.1V or so and then it should be stable (maybe a bit less than 2.1). PC8500 is a OCd specification (usually stored in EPP settings) and as such is not automatically picked up by the mobo, which will almost always default to 800MHz
 
bing said:
I didn't upgrade from UT2K3 because of the poor reviews for UT3. I guess I didn't realize there was a UT2004. I'll have to go check the wiki page, but I thought it all went downhill when Midway?? took over...
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I don't really care about reviews. Maybe they were for the 1.0 version. All I know is that I tried it and then I loved it. Maybe you should give it a go. I got mine for less than 20€-equivalent here in Sweden.
 
NichoTL said:
1:1 ratio is convenient when you are looking to up the FSB. Then, especially if you have good memory, your DIMMs don't limit you. In the 333 FSB strap, there are 2 choices for the RAM on this board: 1:1 and 5:6 (which correspond to 667MHz and 800MHz when your bus runs at 333Mhz). If you pick 5:6 now you will get 445x1.2=534MHz (1068) on your RAM. I think you said you RAM was rated at 1066 @2.0-2.1V. So you only need to up the voltage to 2.1V or so and then it should be stable (maybe a bit less than 2.1). PC8500 is a OCd specification (usually stored in EPP settings) and as such is not automatically picked up by the mobo, which will almost always default to 800MHz
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Hi NicholTL,

Sorry I confused on this part:

In the 333 FSB strap, there are 2 choices for the RAM on this board: 1:1 and 5:6 (which correspond to 667MHz and 800MHz when your bus runs at 333Mhz). If you pick 5:6 now you will get 445x1.2=534MHz (1068) on your RAM.
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Does it mean that if select the 5:6 (800Mhz), it displays 800Mhz on Bios settings but when looking on CPU-Z on windows will show 1066Mhz?
 
Battlestar said:
Hi NicholTL,

Sorry I confused on this part:

Does it mean that if select the 5:6 (800Mhz), it displays 800Mhz on Bios settings but when looking on CPU-Z on windows will show 1066Mhz?
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When you were running your CPU at stock (all Auto), CPU frequency would default to 333 and RAM default to 800. At that point, on the 333 FSB strap, there were 2 available frequencies for the RAM: 667 (1:1) and 800 (5:6).

Now you are running 445 for your CPU. So, in the BIOS, if you select the 333 strap, you will be offered 2 frequencies: 890 (1:1) and 1068 (5:6). The BIOS and cpuz should report the same thing.
 
NichoTL said:
When you were running your CPU at stock (all Auto), CPU frequency would default to 333 and RAM default to 800. At that point, on the 333 FSB strap, there were 2 available frequencies for the RAM: 667 (1:1) and 800 (5:6).

Now you are running 445 for your CPU. So, in the BIOS, if you select the 333 strap, you will be offered 2 frequencies: 890 (1:1) and 1068 (5:6). The BIOS and cpuz should report the same thing.
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Oks, it's clear to me now :)

Thanks
 
bing - as promised, here's the better screen cap :)

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NichoTL - I'd tried your recommendations earlier but when I set the Dram Freq into 1068Mhz upon booting I've got a message Overclocking Failed! :(

Update: I've tried to increase the Vcore 1 notch, failed to post. 1 notch on Dram voltage again failed to post. Im beginning to hate this ram...
 
Battlestar said:
bing - as promised, here's the better screen cap :)

batts-2.jpg



NichoTL - I'd tried your recommendations earlier but when I set the Dram Freq into 1068Mhz upon booting I've got a message Overclocking Failed! :(

Update: I've tried to increase the Vcore 1 notch, failed to post. 1 notch on Dram voltage again failed to post. Im beginning to hate this ram...
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No need to touch the Vcore if you just changed the RAM frequency. DRAM voltage should be put up significantly: check your RAM's rated specs. If it's 1066 at 2.1V then put 2.1V into your VDimm.
 
bing said:
I may be dense but I still can't visualize this setup. Can you post a pic? If not:

1) Is the tower HS mounted horizontally?
2) You mentioned the fan is on the bottom, is it pushing air up through the HS, or pulling air down through it?

I get the impression that the HS is mounted horizontally, and that the fan is pulling air down through the HS. I've found to get much better cooling by pushing air through the HS. If there is a fan pulling air out of the case that is above the HS, I think this would work better for you as well.

Ideally, if I'm picturing your setup correctly you'd want to mount the HS vertically, and put the fan on the right side of the HS, pushing air from right-to-left, front-to-rear.

My examples:
In my Mini P180 I mount the HS horizontally, and push air through the HS up and out (bottom-to-top (where the big 200mm exhaust fan is.))

In the NSK3480 I mount the HS vertically, and push air through the HS from right-to-left (front-to-back (where the 120mm exhaust fan is.))

All that said, if it ain't broke..... Your temps are good. :cool:
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Ok. Look at my previous pic I posted on page 62, post# 1238. The only difference now is that I have the OCZ Vendetta 2 HS on there now instead of the Blue Orb II you see in the picture. Better yet, here it is again:

m998_1.jpg


The OCZ Vendetta 2 HS fins are stacked one on top of each other and pile up towards the side window which in the picture you don't see because I removed it. The fan would be under the HS. So it's not where the fan of the blue orb is but rather under the HS instead of on its side. And it's blowing down towards the bottom of the case (actually it'd be blowing over the video card), so it doesn't blow through the HS at all. Basically the fan is in the same position as the one you see in the picture for the video card.

I can't post a picture as I usually write from work. But ok, I think it's better I post an updated pic of my rig with all the settings I set in BIOS, temps, etc.
 
NichoTL said:
No need to touch the Vcore if you just changed the RAM frequency. DRAM voltage should be put up significantly: check your RAM's rated specs. If it's 1066 at 2.1V then put 2.1V into your VDimm.
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Ok, I didn't touch anything except the Dram Freq, from 890 to 1068. Still got an Overclocking Failed post :(. Oh well need to rest for now maybe my luck is not enough today :)
 
NichoTL said:
I'm a big UT3 fan even though I've only played the original UT before that. What's so good about UT2004 that's not with UT3?
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the amount of players..


we had
UT99 / UT 2k3 / UT2k4 and UT3

UT3 was nice, but it flopped, it was a ":console" style release, the interface, the options, not much else was changed, but it was enough to piss off the UT community.

Ut2k4 simply has 100X more people playing it.
 
Battlestar said:
Ok, I didn't touch anything except the Dram Freq, from 890 to 1068. Still got an Overclocking Failed post :(. Oh well need to rest for now maybe my luck is not enough today :)
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Compared to your previous working config (of which you posted cpuz validation), you should have 2 and ONLY 2 difference: DRAM frequency now 1068 (was 890); DRAM Voltage should now be 2.1V (or whatever your RAM is rated at for operations at 1066MHz). In doubt, can you post a cpuz screen showing the DRAM settings on the Memory tab and on the SPD tab. We'll get all the info we need from there.
 
So, i wake up this morning, i had used my rig last night for about 6 hours straight, prime95 runing in the background,playing TF2, IM's going you name it! (2 VM's with Ubuntu and SMP's going) runing @ 3Ghz no probs, wake up this morning with a windows can not boot system32/win******.exe something can not load error!


ARGH! and when i reboot, the thing wont boot now, video stays black, i had to to this yesterday and hard reset the CMOS for it too boot.... this board can seem to be really flakey! at times.
 
MrGuvernment said:
the amount of players..


we had
UT99 / UT 2k3 / UT2k4 and UT3

UT3 was nice, but it flopped, it was a ":console" style release, the interface, the options, not much else was changed, but it was enough to piss off the UT community.

Ut2k4 simply has 100X more people playing it.
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I don't doubt for a second that UT2k4 was successful. It's just that I am doubting the 100x claim. It might have been true at the start. But the people I play with are mainly UT2k4 vets and they are not going back, that's for sure. Maybe it's time for you to check it out again, with the latest patch (1.3). I cannot imagine a game (of this type) 10x better than UT3. Or 2x better for that matter. I can't even see how they can improve the gameplay from now on.
 
MrGuvernment said:
So, i wake up this morning, i had used my rig last night for about 6 hours straight, prime95 runing in the background,playing TF2, IM's going you name it! (2 VM's with Ubuntu and SMP's going) runing @ 3Ghz no probs, wake up this morning with a windows can not boot system32/win******.exe something can not load error!


ARGH! and when i reboot, the thing wont boot now, video stays black, i had to to this yesterday and hard reset the CMOS for it too boot.... this board can seem to be really flakey! at times.
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Hmm playing TF2 while running prime95? You like it complicated, don't you? By the way, how good is TF2 (genuine question)? Like I said before, I play UT3. In fact, I only play UT3. But I've heard that TF2 is good, and I'm kind of toying with the idea of buying TF2.
 
MrGuvernment said:
So, i wake up this morning, i had used my rig last night for about 6 hours straight, prime95 runing in the background,playing TF2, IM's going you name it! (2 VM's with Ubuntu and SMP's going) runing @ 3Ghz no probs, wake up this morning with a windows can not boot system32/win******.exe something can not load error!


ARGH! and when i reboot, the thing wont boot now, video stays black, i had to to this yesterday and hard reset the CMOS for it too boot.... this board can seem to be really flakey! at times.
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ok. Sounds like i should steer clear of this board. I dont like flakey boards...


Ply
 
NichoTL said:
Compared to your previous working config (of which you posted cpuz validation), you should have 2 and ONLY 2 difference: DRAM frequency now 1068 (was 890); DRAM Voltage should now be 2.1V (or whatever your RAM is rated at for operations at 1066MHz). In doubt, can you post a cpuz screen showing the DRAM settings on the Memory tab and on the SPD tab. We'll get all the info we need from there.
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NichoTL - This is default for my E8400, bios settings are:

FSB 333
CPU Ratio 9
FSB Strap 333
PCI-e Freq 100
Dram Freq 1000Mhz
Timings 5-5-5-15
Vdimmm 2.10v

Batts-3.jpg


I have tried to run my mems on memtest for 5 hours without any issues.

Thanks - Battlestar
 
Battlestar said:
NichoTL - This is default for my E8400, bios settings are:

FSB 333
CPU Ratio 9
FSB Strap 333
PCI-e Freq 100
Dram Freq 1000Mhz
Timings 5-5-5-15
Vdimmm 2.10v

I have tried to run my mems on memtest for 5 hours without any issues.

Thanks - Battlestar
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2:3 ratio on 333 strap? That must be 266 strap, isn't it?

Anyway go back to your last known good OC: 445x9.
Get it running (the way it was: with the RAM 890 and voltage where it was before). Check everything's ok with it first. When you are happy, go back to the BIOS and change the RAM to 1068 and DRAM voltage to 2.1.
 
plywood99 said:
ok. Sounds like i should steer clear of this board. I dont like flakey boards...


Ply
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It ain't flakey at all. Rock solid. I think most people around here will tell you that. It could be that MrG has got himself a lemon. Or that he's fucked it up. Hard to tell.
 
NichoTL said:
It ain't flakey at all. Rock solid. I think most people around here will tell you that....
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Heh, agreed. Most of the other 1400+ posts in this thread are from owners that are relatively happy or downright ecstatic with the board. So maybe read back a few pages.............
 
NichoTL said:
2:3 ratio on 333 strap? That must be 266 strap, isn't it?

Anyway go back to your last known good OC: 445x9.
Get it running (the way it was: with the RAM 890 and voltage where it was before). Check everything's ok with it first. When you are happy, go back to the BIOS and change the RAM to 1068 and DRAM voltage to 2.1.
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Actually with my current settings (890Mhz DDR2) it's already rated 2.1v. Everytime I change the value from 890 to 1066 it won't post, I need to switch off my PC first before it post the "Overclocking Failed" on bootup :(
 
Battlestar said:
Actually with my current settings (890Mhz DDR2) it's already rated 2.1v. Everytime I change the value from 890 to 1066 it won't post, I need to switch off my PC first before it post the "Overclocking Failed" on bootup :(
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Can you get support for your RAM specific to the board? I know mushkin support is good at this. Settings that can't be changed with the BIOS may be able to be adjusted using memset.
 
Well, here it is finally. You can see where the fan is mounted on the HS now. And it's pulling hot air away from the cooler (I put my hand right under it and it my cold hand was getting nice and warm so it's definitely working).

You can also see me temporarily using an Ultra PSU as backup for my dead OCZ 800EXS PSU. Btw, speaking with their tech support on their forums, it looks like I'll be getting my dead 800EXS replaced with a PC Power & Cooling (S75QB) Silencer 750 or PC Power & Cooling (PPCT860) Turbo Cool 860W. I told them I'd prefer the 2nd one (costs $100 more than what I paid for the 800EXS, has 7yr warranty and 200,000 MTBF, but at the price of more fan noise which I'm ok with.

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yorkman said:
Well, here it is finally. You can see where the fan is mounted on the HS now. And it's pulling hot air away from the cooler (I put my hand right under it and it my cold hand was getting nice and warm so it's definitely working).
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It would be better to turn the fan around and push air thru the HS, not sure which side would work best (wither top or bottom.) Ideally though, mounting the HS vertically and pushing air towards that rear exhaust fan will yield the best result. Pushing is more efficient than pulling, and right now you're pulling hot air off the CPU and depositing on the GPU. No bueno. But, it was already said... If it ain't broke....
 
yorkman said:
Well, here it is finally. You can see where the fan is mounted on the HS now. And it's pulling hot air away from the cooler (I put my hand right under it and it my cold hand was getting nice and warm so it's definitely working).

You can also see me temporarily using an Ultra PSU as backup for my dead OCZ 800EXS PSU. Btw, speaking with their tech support on their forums, it looks like I'll be getting my dead 800EXS replaced with a PC Power & Cooling (S75QB) Silencer 750 or PC Power & Cooling (PPCT860) Turbo Cool 860W. I told them I'd prefer the 2nd one (costs $100 more than what I paid for the 800EXS, has 7yr warranty and 200,000 MTBF, but at the price of more fan noise which I'm ok with.

Vendetta2.jpg
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I think this is less than optimal: turn the heatsink 90 deg counterclockwise and invert the fan so that it pushes air IN.
 
Battlestar said:
Actually with my current settings (890Mhz DDR2) it's already rated 2.1v. Everytime I change the value from 890 to 1066 it won't post, I need to switch off my PC first before it post the "Overclocking Failed" on bootup :(
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OK try with 2.2V. It seems strange to me that it won't post at all with 2.1V. If it doesn't work with 2.2V then it's something else (something not obvious).

Btw, your memory timings:
can you confirm they are set in the BIOS at 5-5-5-15 and then the rest Auto?
 
Can you get support for your RAM specific to the board? I know mushkin support is good at this. Settings that can't be changed with the BIOS may be able to be adjusted using memset.
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Ok, I'll try to email Corsair for this issues. I know they have a good feedback from customer support. In fact I've got a free modular cables and some corsair badges, pen and flyers for free :)

OK try with 2.2V. It seems strange to me that it won't post at all with 2.1V. If it doesn't work with 2.2V then it's something else (something not obvious).

Btw, your memory timings:
can you confirm they are set in the BIOS at 5-5-5-15 and then the rest Auto?
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Actually when I tried to test my rams on memtest, it's already pre -set to 5-5-5-15 @ 2.1v and the rest is auto. If 2.2v will not work this night, I might consider the G.Skill PC8000 :)
 
bing said:
Can you get support for your RAM specific to the board? I know mushkin support is good at this. Settings that can't be changed with the BIOS may be able to be adjusted using memset.
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What bugs me really is that everything is working fine at 890 and then 1068 won't post when the RAM is RATED at this speed. Something I'm missing.
 
Battlestar said:
Ok, I'll try to email Corsair for this issues. I know they have a good feedback from customer support. In fact I've got a free modular cables and some corsair badges, pen and flyers for free :)

Actually when I tried to test my rams on memtest, it's already pre -set to 5-5-5-15 @ 2.1v and the rest is auto. If 2.2v will not work this night, I might consider the G.Skill PC8000 :)
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Would you mind posting shots of the BIOS settings (mobile phone or digital camera) for the whole 'Jumper-Free' configuration? It could be something to do with the NB voltage, actually.
 
What bugs me really is that everything is working fine at 890 and then 1068 won't post when the RAM is RATED at this speed. Something I'm missing.
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Yeah, im really disappoint with my mems.

Would you mind posting shots of the BIOS settings (mobile phone or digital camera) for the whole 'Jumper-Free' configuration? It could be something to do with the NB voltage, actually.
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Ok, maybe this coming weekends (saturday, asia pacific time)

Btw, NichoTL and bing, thanks for being active here. I hope you guys stay longer on this thread until Asus X58 comes out :)
 
Battlestar said:
Yeah, im really disappoint with my mems.



Ok, maybe this coming weekends (saturday, asia pacific time)

Btw, NichoTL and bing, thanks for being active here. I hope you guys stay longer on this thread until Asus X58 comes out :)
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I don't think it's your mems. Don't change them just yet. In the meantime (before I get BIOS screenshots), can you post again your PLL, NB and FSB termination voltages?
 
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