DFI strikes back with the DFI lanparty JR P45 T2RS

Since there are like 15 pages of text, I'll just ask instead of read:
Has anybody managed to find any way to get either of the slots to run in PCIe 2.0 x16 instead of the usual x8? I've heard this board is locked in x8 no matter what you do, but people here at [H] tend to know more.
 
RikkAndrsn said:
Since there are like 15 pages of text, I'll just ask instead of read:
Has anybody managed to find any way to get either of the slots to run in PCIe 2.0 x16 instead of the usual x8? I've heard this board is locked in x8 no matter what you do, but people here at [H] tend to know more.
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Shit. Son, all you've have to do is look at pics to see that the board is only wired for x8.... or at least read the last page cause someone was trying to argue that it can be x16 despite the being wired for it.
 
Should make a sticky that there is absolutely NO way to make it x16. Forgot to take a picture of the underside of the board but the pins for BOTH lanes are half of full x16 aka x8.
 
Yeah, I imagine the SLI version, when it comes out, will be 8x8 as well. Its better than nothing though. On a different note, the X58 mobos supposedly will be CF and SLI compatible according to rumors. I'm looking forward to what the manufacturers of the mATX mobos will do with with the X58 chipsets. Imagine being able to run CF or SLI on a mATX mobo. :D
 
Awesome!!!

I'll wait till all the kinks are worked out and keep my warranty. :)
 
Skott said:
Yeah, I imagine the SLI version, when it comes out, will be 8x8 as well. Its better than nothing though. On a different note, the X58 mobos supposedly will be CF and SLI compatible according to rumors. I'm looking forward to what the manufacturers of the mATX mobos will do with with the X58 chipsets. Imagine being able to run CF or SLI on a mATX mobo. :D
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I thought all p45 based boards were limited to 8x8 because of the chipset. From my understanding even the ATX versions have this issue. If DFI were to do a mATX SLI board wouldn't they use the 750i chip and be able to do 16x16?
 
space@pe said:
My first try :) nothing big as I was trying to keep the volts as low as absolut possible. Dont know why but both "Smartguardian" and "CPU-Z" are showing thw wrong cpu vCore. but I think the true value is around 1.376-1.39..not really sure maybe someone can tell me.
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If you didn't adjust the VID that goes in increments of "mv", then you didn't adjust the vcore. VTT is another thing.

KrylonArt said:
I thought all p45 based boards were limited to 8x8 because of the chipset. From my understanding even the ATX versions have this issue. If DFI were to do a mATX SLI board wouldn't they use the 750i chip and be able to do 16x16?
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Yes.. all p45s are x8. I'd rather not speculate about the sli version what with the immense amount of false and crap info already in this thread.
 
space@ape: nice!
your vcore is actually 1.375v real (1.16v+ 0.2125=1.375v) and you can trust smartguardian!
however, i don't know why cpu-z does not report the right value on your system...(they do match on my rig: smartguardian & cpuz)
 
Should be getting mine today with a q6600 and PC8500C5 corsair dominator mem :)
 
More support of the claims of single PCI 2.0 16x slot.

Maby it's wired single 8x8 but when a single slot the wiring goes to 16x.

Between manufacture info and GPU-Z screen shots there is alot of proof that this MB can run a true 16x PCI 2.0 bandwidth.
 
just for fun! Hd4850 in crossfire! e8600 downclocked @4ghz to lower power consumption (S12 500w)

 
nray said:
Speaking of "immense amount of false and crap info", either MSI is a liar or you are:

"When using two PCIE x16 slots, the PCIE x16 lanes will auto arrange from x16/ x0 to x8 x8"

So who's the liar? (I'm honestly curious.)
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SonDa5 said:
More support of the claims of single PCI 2.0 16x slot.

Maby it's wired single 8x8 but when a single slot the wiring goes to 16x.

Between manufacture info and GPU-Z screen shots there is alot of proof that this MB can run a true 16x PCI 2.0 bandwidth.
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Do you have this board? Have you taken a look on the underside? You're gonna tell me this thing can magically rewire itself and BANG, x16? I'm a liar? Because I totally want to fucking spread bullshit right, even though I own this thing. Use a change of words unless you're trying to accuse me.

Add: pvhk, any chance you can take a pic of the underbelly and squelch these guys once and for all? Mine is kinda.. "intimately" installed to the case now.
 
Nice m8 :cool: you most have a pretty new card cus your score is almost as high as a quadcore users :) mine's only at about 15000+ at best.

Maybe I should post some snaps soon to..only i need a digicam..well i can always borrow one ;)
 
Wow good to see boards like this finally coming out :) Keep up the good work...
 
Meaker said:
I have looked at the underside of the board and the pins only go halfway down the slot. They are both hardwired to be 8x max.

WTF has MSI got to do with anything?
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TY, apparently some people think because one manufacturer or board has specs of one type that all other boards are made the same.
 
lowteckh said:
Do you have this board? Have you taken a look on the underside? You're gonna tell me this thing can magically rewire itself and BANG, x16?

Add: pvhk, any chance you can take a pic of the underbelly and squelch these guys once and for all? Mine is kinda.. "intimately" installed to the case now.
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Yes I have the board.

I'm not an electrical engineer. Are you?

MSI and DFI both made claims that the MB can run a single slot video card@ 16x PCI 2.0 speed.

How did they do that? I don't know. There are a few GPU screen shots going around that have captured a single card slot running at 16x@PCI 2.0.

I'm running a single Sapphire Toxic HD4850 and GPU-Z reads it as a PCI 2.0@16x.

Maby the slot has more conductors than what you are seeing.

That "IC Switch" is something special. :D
 
lowteckh said:
TY, apparently some people think because one manufacturer or board has specs of one type that all other boards are made the same.
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DFI made the same statement about the DFI P45 JR T2RS. That is why a second support statement about the P45 chipset was thrown in this argument.

8xPCI 2.0 is fast.
 
lowteckh said:
You're gonna tell me this thing can magically rewire itself and BANG, x16?
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Do you recall what I took issue with? When you said this: "all p45s are x8." That's what I took issue with. Now unless you know that all P45s are x8, and that MSI is a liar about their P45, why would you say that?

MSI could be a liar, I don't know, you haven't provided any evidence.

I wasn't even specifically talking about the DFI Lanparty JR P45 T2RS, I was more concerned about your statement that "all p45s are x8".

Why would I challenge your statement, apart from your lack of broader evidence? Because there certainly are computers which can dynamically reconfigure their PCIe slots. Mac Pros for instance:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2838

The Expansion Slot Utility, located in /System/Library/Core Services, allows you to configure the PCI-E expansion slots and how many lanes each slot will support, as illustrated below. This example shows a "x16" graphics card occupying the first slot, and the other slots are configured to support an "x1" card in slot two and "x4" cards in slots three and four. The example shows the other options available. When you have picked the appropriate configuration of slots to support your compliment of PCI-E cards, click the Save and Restart... button to implement the configuration.
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So there you go - some computers can "magically rewire" themselves. Go figure.
 
Doesn't change the fact that the DFI board only has wiring for x8 which would mean that it can rewire only from x8 down. MSI or Apple has nothing do with the fact that DFI's board is x8 or lower.
 
Dude stop calling people or companies "liars"; misinformation is way different from "lying".

P45s are x8 crossfire, this board is WIRED x8 for SINGLE or CROSSFIRE.

Why the hell do you guys keep referring to MSI and now add Apple into it?
SonDa5 said:
DFI made the same statement about the DFI P45 JR T2RS.
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DFI also slapped a picture of firewire in the manual which this board does not have support for.


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You guys may now shut the fck up on this x8/x16 crap and let us discuss shit more relevant. Or go on and cry "FOTOCHOPPED!!!".
 
can someone please tell me what memory i should buy for this board? I want to use 8megs and i am not going to overclock it.
thanks
 
DFI Product Page

System Memory
Four 240-pin DDR2 DIMM sockets
Supports DDR2 667/800/1066 MHz
Delivers up to 12.8Gb/s bandwidth
Supports dual channel (128-bit wide) memory interface
Supports up to 8GB system memory
Supports unbuffered x8 and x16 DIMMs
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That'll say PC2-8500/DDR2-1066 at max m8 :) ..Kingston & Corsair are good brand imo. but there is many opinions about that.
 
pvhk said:
meaker: the first one to own a dfi lp jr revA3! :)
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Yeah did not realise it was a later revision. I updated the bios to the beta bios but it was rubbish in comparison and the website one is not much better. Should not have bothered, does not seem to want to boot at 450mhz anymore...
 
lowteckh said:
Dude stop calling people or companies "liars"; misinformation is way different from "lying".
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I don't care what term anyone uses... either you or MSI have "misinformation" - who is it?

P45s are x8 crossfire, this board is WIRED x8 for SINGLE or CROSSFIRE.
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Wrong. P45s are either 16x 0x or 8x 8x.

Why the hell do you guys keep referring to MSI and now add Apple into it?
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I brought up MSI and linked to their product page for a P45 board they have which they say auto-switches from 16x 0x to 8x 8x because YOU said "all p45s are x8" (post #294, 09-15-2008, 07:49 PM). I assumed you knew something I didn't, and asked you for more information about "all P45s". (Why else would you say "all P45s"?)

I brought up Apple because you referred to PCI Express lane switching as "magic", and I figured you needed a real-world example to realize it's not "magic", it's just technology, and it exists.

DFI also slapped a picture of firewire in the manual which this board does not have support for.
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Not unusual. The Biostar M7NCG version 1.4 had Firewire and an MCP-T southbridge that could do realtime Dolby Digital encoding, but the updated Biostar M7NCG 400 1.0 dropped Firewire and had an MCP southbridge, but the manual still mentioned Firewire. Different revisions have different configurations, but the manuals are typically one-size-fits all.

You guys may now shut the fck up on this x8/x16 crap and let us discuss shit more relevant. Or go on and cry "FOTOCHOPPED!!!".
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Or how about you grow up and stop swearing like an immature person? You might also consider using a spell-checker.
 
So my question to pvhk if you don't mind.

Which board would be better for my next build?

This DFI jr or Asus G35? [Q9450-single 8800GTS]

Thanks
 
dunc4n said:
So my question to pvhk if you don't mind.

Which board would be better for my next build?

This DFI jr or Asus G35? [Q9450-single 8800GTS]

Thanks
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Apparently, end users with quad have more difficulty to oc with the DFI board (while with c2d, it's by far more easy)... some hit @450 other 500 but not without hassle.
Very good result here with a q9550:
http://overclockingstation.de/showthread.php?t=2298&page=2
IMO: you will have no issue with the P5E-VM..
it's up to you...
If you told me for a dual cpu: i would have definitely recommend the DFI board!

SonDa5 said:
What is different about it?

:)
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it's big brother atx DK P45 T2RS plus revA3 seems to hit higher fsb than the revA2...
 
Also note that the DFI does not have any of the optional ports and functions of its multimedia-centric "siblings" - you get USB, optical out and nothing else - at a premium. So for one card I'd say to go with something else.
 
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