Assasins Creed, dual core required

Since some readers just click on the last page of post.....please read the 2nd page, last post for "reasons" of this thread. :)
 
TheBluePill said:
Doom 3 Engine Level..
Food for though.. What if Crysis Level Graphics were it, the end of the road for high end graphics development... What would game makers do then?
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Make games that are fun and addictive with replay value. I see no reason that we need to keep "pushing the envelope" with every new game. Lets stop for a year or two and make some amazing games. I mean, if we stuck with Crysis/Doom3/Assassin's Creed type engines and focused on content IN those engines, we could have some really really GREAT games.

Why do we need more bling every year? Oh yeah.... e-peen.


Chombo said:
At this point hardware is dirt cheap. A gig of RAM for 20 bucks, low end dual cores for $50, mid high GPUs for $150, its insane. If you can stomach $300 for a new console, what is so outrageous about spending $500 (cost of a decked out PS3) for a new PC?
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Yep, it doesn't cost much. You've got harddrives, a monitor, a case and possibly a good enough power supply. (maybe). Watch the specials, clip some coupons, mow some lawns, you've got your upgrades covered for the price of the console, but you can do SO MUCH MORE. (and you have tons of space for porn). Oh, and your Xbox360 controller works with the PC, so... have fun.
 
Canadian in Berlin said:
Why do we need more bling every year? Oh yeah.... e-peen.
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I think it's more because they make boat-loads of money. ;)

And SAW, dude, I'm sorry to hear that you got ripped off, but that still doesn't change the point of anything. Everybody has to save up for stuff, and I don't see how your personal situation changes anything as far as progress goes... You've already gotten over it. :p :)

When HL2 came out, I had been looking forward to it for LONG time. First I get it, but my current computer then couldn't play it worth a damn. So I wait months, and months, for my next computer (the one mentioned below, and the one in my sig, minus graphics card), I get it... and I get motion sickness from HL2 so bad I almost get physically sick. I stopped playing it for months again because of that.

So should they have used a different engine just because a small minority of users have issues with the game?

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Another thing, I also had my computer built a little over two years ago, got it about a month into 2006, but when I was doing research in late, late 2005, everybody was already saying that the problems with dual-core were FUD by then (this was here and on the forums for the now-defunct Monarch Computer, as well as Google searches I can't remember). Out of idle curiosity, do you remember where you were seeing that dual-core procs were still having problems?
 
Anyhow this is a stupid discussion...

Those are the requirements, they're not going to change, either buy the game or don't. This is how the PC market works, either get used to it or go buy a console.
 
SAW said:
Who's "ragging"? Didnt say one word of negativity in my post towards anyone....
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I was basing my comment off of your original thread title which had the nice big, seemingly obligatory "WTF!" in it, which has since been kindly removed.


Frosteh said:
Anyhow this is a stupid discussion...
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Quite. Which reminds me, we haven't had a good 'shark' thread in awhile.
 
SAW said:
Since some readers just click on the last page of post.....please read the 2nd page, last post for "reasons" of this thread. :)
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I Read your post, that was a REALLY Raw deal there man, I would have probably kicked that punks ass over something like that!

If I were you, I would look at picking up an X2 for your box for around $50 or $60 and call it good for a year or so, it will increase some of the performance you have now in existing apps and allow you to play some of the newer titles that are out until you decide to rebuild a whole rig.
 
Danny Bui said:
Focus on creating better gameplay?
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Thats Nintendo's Job, these are PC games!! :D hahah..

I agree, I would like to see some increases in game Play, but really, wiht an FPS, what can you do thats all that different or hasnt been done?

Crysis comes to mind as one of the more unique FPS games for playability, you can "Sneak Attack" with the Cloak, you can Muscle your way through thing, play Rambo, Spring through the whole game.. And there are 50 different angles to attack a camp or the like.. not to mention 50 different ways to kill people, from wrecking their humvee to dropping a tree on them to blowing them up in a gas station.. Not too shabby.. The only thing that was left out was "Anti-Gravity and Portals" like Prey, but you even get Weightlessness, Driving Humvees and tanks and a Flight sim segment..

Whats really left?
 
Canadian in Berlin said:
A good storyline? decent Team AI. Decent AI as a whole? :) Lots to be improved upon with crysis.
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The AI probably could have used some improvement.. But, its really hard to perfectly mimic human action. The Crysis AI does Run, take cover, use Crew Served Weapons, Drive.. Quite a few things.. Not the most intellegent when you cap one guy 10 feet from another.. but not horrible.. ive seen worse.

The team really didnt interact with you at all as far as I could see, a couple of scripted events and thats it... Would have been cool to have the whole team come down on a couple of those camps.

The story.. I thought is was good enough for a game or even B Sci-Fi Movie. I figure the bulk of the story will come out in the Sequel.
 
Yeah, but a lot of that stuff could still be tweaked quite a bit. My problem with the AI, was for example, I'd be spotted, and shoot a few, and they'd all be "hiding".... in a group of 30 on the other side of a fence, 1 grenade.. I WIN!.

I dunno, I think if they stopped, took the Crysis 2 game engine and year or 2 building a game purely based on content and replayability and shit... damn that game could nock your socks off, plus in a year or 2 people could run the game at max settings on their moms toaster so they won't cry and call it teh suck.
 
Canadian in Berlin said:
Yeah, but a lot of that stuff could still be tweaked quite a bit. My problem with the AI, was for example, I'd be spotted, and shoot a few, and they'd all be "hiding".... in a group of 30 on the other side of a fence, 1 grenade.. I WIN!.

I dunno, I think if they stopped, took the Crysis 2 game engine and year or 2 building a game purely based on content and replayability and shit... damn that game could nock your socks off, plus in a year or 2 people could run the game at max settings on their moms toaster so they won't cry and call it teh suck.
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That reminds me of a part of HL2, When you are getting ready to attack the government capitol building the combine is using toward the end of the game...

You come down this long hall to a set of windows that overlook the building and the court yard, there is a scripted sequence where about 20 combine soldiers are in formation, and then they scatter out to take up positions..

If you load at the begining of the level in that hallway and get your rocket launcher out, you can RUN stright to the windown, fire a rocket and wipe all 20 of them out in one shot.. Make the whole level cake... :)
 
SAW said:
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I read the whole thing and I do feel sorry for you. I probably would have taken the $1000 worth of damages out of his property while he was at Disney World.

Time does fly and with computer hardware it seems like you just purchased the parts. Like yourself I am married, and computer parts do take a backseat to the more pressing things in life. For me the upgrade cycle is usually represented by a new CPU platform every four years and a new GPU every two years. Fortunately for the both of us, hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper. As already stated you could buy an X2 for $50 off the egg and that would help immensely.



TheBluePill said:
That reminds me of a part of HL2, When you are getting ready to attack the government capitol building the combine is using toward the end of the game...

You come down this long hall to a set of windows that overlook the building and the court yard, there is a scripted sequence where about 20 combine soldiers are in formation, and then they scatter out to take up positions..

If you load at the begining of the level in that hallway and get your rocket launcher out, you can RUN stright to the windown, fire a rocket and wipe all 20 of them out in one shot.. Make the whole level cake... :)
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All I have to say about HL2 AI is... "FOLLOW FREEMAN!"
 
Yeah, I HAVE been keeping my eye on that 4200+.....Im just having the damnest time with "luck" lately. Seems like every week lately, SOMETHING breaks or goes wrong....which in turn sucks out what little money I have to get it fixed.

Just a few days ago, I was driving my truck home from the store. Was stopped at a stop light, then it went green, I took my turn onto another road and then, all of a sudden.....BAMM!!!! the front end of my truck (passenger side) hit the ground with a thud.

I was like....OHHHH SHIT!!!! What the hell was that. I got out of my truck (after pulling over of course) just hoping it was a simple blow out on my tire, but nope, it wasnt.

My whole wheel came off and was rubbing the inside of the wheel well. Called the tow truck and then discovered, the only thing holding my wheel to the truck was the break line.

Turns out, both the upper and lower ball joints had broke clean off.

$245.52 to repair the damage. Oyyyyyy!!!!!

I work 2 jobs now, which really sucks!!!! And we are trying to get out of this money pit of a house we live in. Then theres soccer pictures to pay for for my 4yr old daughter. It just seems like lately, saving up even a simple $50 bucks is more challenging to do than most would expect.

Sorry if my "WTF" disheartened some of you guys, but it wasnt a "shot" at the devs, it was more like a verbal way of me throwing my hands up in the air with the thought "they finally going to release a game Ive been wanting to play, but of course, with my luck...I need a dual core to play it.....well thats just great....gahhhhh.....<---thats what the "WTF" was there for.

Also, with my luck, I will finally get a dual core only to find out that NOW, THAT is obsolete and I need a pair of quads just to play pac man, heh.

I didnt mean for this thread to go where it has gone.....with all my personal finacial hardships...but I felt you guys didnt quite understand where I was coming from with this thread, so I felt the need to explain myself.

Chumbo - I would LOVE to have taken the grand out on something of his. Believe me, the HATE was there. Im a big believer in Karma though and although extremely pissed at the situation, had I done anything to his stuff, it unfortunately would have made me just as bad a person as he is. So, to this date, he doesnt exist to me and from what I hear from my wife, his life is suking and to me, thats payback. Although, despite my Karma belief, I cant help but to think, he still deserves an ass kickin.

And NO, I am not over it and will probably carry this grudge for him for a very long time. 2 things in life I cant stand in people......Liars and Thieves and he is both.

I'll get my dual core eventually, im sure, so thats something to look forward to.
 
SAW, my good man. You have my dads luck. That said, he's been gaming on a Dell we bought in December 2001, only upgrade was 512MB more RAM (1GB) and a Radeon 9800. He finally bought a new dell (most financially viable alternative in the end, he can't risk "lump sums") a few weeks ago. before that he was playing LOTRO and Vanguard on the old dell. Its amazing what you can sneak by on... when you have to.

That said, I now understand much more of what you're going through. :) You aren't just being a crybaby. :)
 
SAW said:
Yeah, I HAVE been keeping my eye on that 4200+.....Im just having the damnest time with "luck" lately. Seems like every week lately, SOMETHING breaks or goes wrong....which in turn sucks out what little money I have to get it fixed.

I'll get my dual core eventually, im sure, so thats something to look forward to.
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Remember, Suicide isnt the easy way out... its the only way.. :D
 
Canadian in Berlin said:
SAW, my good man. You have my dads luck. That said, he's been gaming on a Dell we bought in December 2001, only upgrade was 512MB more RAM (1GB) and a Radeon 9800. He finally bought a new dell (most financially viable alternative in the end, he can't risk "lump sums") a few weeks ago. before that he was playing LOTRO and Vanguard on the old dell. Its amazing what you can sneak by on... when you have to.

That said, I now understand much more of what you're going through. :) You aren't just being a crybaby. :)
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Thanks for understanding my whine :)
 
SAW said:
To me, its seems like a mixture of Prince of Persia and Thief jammed into one game. Am I wrong?
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Yeah, you're wrong. Both those games were good. There's a reason why ASS appears twice in title.

The franchise has potential. Ubisoft just needs to spend less time and money parading around Jade Raymond and more time in actual development.
 
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It seems that every one of these Assassins Creed threads gets a Jade Raymond picture in them and I somehow feel obligated to a infamous comic from somethingawful related to her and the game but I doubt it would be considered appropriate. Oh well.

Little bummed about the requirements, but I can wait until I get a new rig this summer (hopefully Q9450s will be well priced and available).
 
Oooo Kkkkk.....What is the picture all about? She's cute, but needs longer hair :)
 
SAW said:
Due the consoles have a dual core?
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360 is tri-core, and you can't compare to the PS3, which is the Cell processor - 1 primary core, 7 SPE.

But effectively, yes, it is. Dual cores are extremely common now, and not that expensive.
 
SAW said:
Who's "ragging"? Didnt say one word of negativity in my post towards anyone, but if I were to "rag" on the devs, it would be about putting out a NEW game instead of something thats been done before and just revamped.

Anyways, this post wasnt a rant, YOU guys turned it into one. I simply wanted to know if the dual core thing was true or not, or could I play it on my system. I dont see how thats a rant????

And since you guys have brought up the fact of "evolving" and "upgrading". I built this computer (minus the 8800gts, used to be a 7900gt) slightly under 2 years ago. Back then, I "could" have bought a dual core, but from what I was reading (back then), there were many issues with them and since im no computer genius at figuring out how to fix something on the computer, I went with a tried and true 3700+ San Diego CPU.

When I built this computer, it was my first time doing so and was not accustomed to the aspect of "upgrade every 6 mths" scenario. At the time, I spent $1200 on my whole set up and it took me a LOT of time to save up and buy the parts I needed. I was expecting to NOT have to upgrade for at least 3-4 years. Im not the type of gamer who NEEDS everything set to its max settings and feel perfectly fine playing my games at the 1280x1024 rez. I dont overclock at all and usually use default graphics settings in my games. Whats wrong with that?

Also, "time", for me, seems to be going by at lightning speed. Seems just like last week, my daughter was 2yrs old, but shes 4 now.....Where'd the time go???? Seems like it was just a flash. Same thing for my computer and its components. I remember when I was reading thru these forums and asking questions on what I should get and back then, if you didnt have a 3700+, you were on the lowest totem pole.

Let me also add (if your still reading), I got ripped off by my own brother-in-law. About 3 years ago, I knew NOTHING of building a computer, what was good, what was bad, yadda yadda. But, he supposedly did. I asked him for a simple favor, I give him the money to order my parts for me and to build my system. I give him $500 one day and $500 the next day to order my parts.

2 weeks go by and all I have recieved from him was a $35 plain jane case, a simple Audigy 2 sound card and a Gigabyte mobo.....zero receipts. He tells me the rest of the stuff is on order. 2 weeks go by, still nothing. another 2 weeks go by, still nothing and then he stops answering his phone. I talk to my wife, she talks to her parents and I find out the little shit head took his family to Disney World........yet he didnt have a job. Hmmmmm.....how else did he go then I wonder???

Later, I start checking out prices and learning this stuff myself (about the time I joined the [H]) and find out he got me cheap ass Wal-Mart crap and I have no idea where he got this mobo from, which, the box wasnt wrapped in plastic as a new one would have been. So, basically, a grand out the window and nothing I can do about it but threaten to kick his ass, which my wife practically begged me not to do (I was severely pissed off).

So, I have a mobo, a case and a sound card. Woopty fukin doo. Well, since money obviously doesnt grow on trees, I had to start the savings all over again and so, I ordered the parts I needed, one part at a time. Id save up $300 bucks, Id buy my video card. Save up another $250, Id buy my CPU....etc. 3 to 6 mths later, I finally have all the stuff I was supposed to have the year before. But, of course, by now, the stuff I ordered was already on its way out the door of being obsolete (didnt know that at that time though).

So, I have 2 kids and a bitchy wife when it comes to spending money on fruitless items when the house is in need of repair and my job has slowed wayyyyyyyyyyyy down (my income dropped to less than half of what I was making).

So, I see a game I wanted to play, but was for consoles only (no I do not own ANY consoles), finding out a DUAL CORE is required was a bit upsetting, to say the least. I cant just bring up NewEgg on the browser and click that 4200+ dual core and buy it on a whim.

Make more sense now why I havent upgraded?

Besides, TF2, Company of Heros, Morrowind, Oblivion and KOTOR run perfectly fine on this current system, so Im good for now. Just couldnt believe my eyes when I read DUAL CORE required.

Okie Dokie guys???
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I gamed on a 3800X2 till just this last fall. One can be had for $45, and your motherboard will support it. Therefore, for the cost of a game, you can future proof yourself a little more, and play this one.

That's the wrap - sadly, technology rolls on far faster than we'd like, but getting into the dual-core world is actually quite cheap now.

edit: Hell, let me see, I may even have a 3800X2 lying around still. Let me check tomorrow.
 
I find assassin's creed one of those games I play when I just feel like doing something mind-numbing or want to just slaughter everything in sight (angry day).

Afterwards i feel relaxed and go do something else. I think the longest I've played the "broken version" ( ;) ) was 2 hours. Going to go pick it up though, it fills in an important slot in my gaming repetoire "a game to unwind". I used to play Quake 3 Arena against bots for the same thing. I had a few other "violent" games that I used for the same thing.
 
Canadian in Berlin said:
I find assassin's creed one of those games I play when I just feel like doing something mind-numbing or want to just slaughter everything in sight (angry day).

Afterwards i feel relaxed and go do something else. I think the longest I've played the "broken version" ( ;) ) was 2 hours. Going to go pick it up though, it fills in an important slot in my gaming repetoire "a game to unwind". I used to play Quake 3 Arena against bots for the same thing. I had a few other "violent" games that I used for the same thing.
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You need some help.
 
lopoetve said:
That's the wrap - sadly, technology rolls on far faster than we'd like, but getting into the dual-core world is actually quite cheap now.
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Speak for yourself, I'm happy with the rate at which technology increases, a decent upgrade path for a PC will last for approx 18 months and keep you more or less on the forefront of technology. For those who want to spend less an average build will last 3 years and provide a gaming experience still superiour to most alternatives.

If thing didn't move as quick as they did then games like Crysis, GTA4, Assassins Creed, these would be a long way off.
 
Frosteh said:
Speak for yourself, I'm happy with the rate at which technology increases, a decent upgrade path for a PC will last for approx 18 months and keep you more or less on the forefront of technology. For those who want to spend less an average build will last 3 years and provide a gaming experience still superiour to most alternatives.

If thing didn't move as quick as they did then games like Crysis, GTA4, Assassins Creed, these would be a long way off.
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3 years is a joke, I bought my computer less than 2 years ago... I not gonna be able to play AC, probably isnt even worth putting Crysis on. Basically, I'm done with PC's for a while. All I need is CS 1.6 and my PS3... and I'm perfect.
 
Assassin's Creed is much smoother with a quad over the dual...
I can run 4.2 Ghz on my E3110, but some games noticably UT3 games were still smoother with the quad. Assassin's Creed uses a custom engine but it's tuned for multcore, as seen here the dual was 85 - 90% util all the time, the quad much lower but all 4 cores are used. When in cities with lots of NPCs there is a huge difference, quad is much smoother.

I'm headed back to my quad after alot of benching fun with the E3110. Games are smoother on the quad.

E3110 @ 4.1Ghz -
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Q6600 @ 3.4Ghz -
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Frosteh said:
Speak for yourself, I'm happy with the rate at which technology increases, a decent upgrade path for a PC will last for approx 18 months and keep you more or less on the forefront of technology. For those who want to spend less an average build will last 3 years and provide a gaming experience still superiour to most alternatives.

If thing didn't move as quick as they did then games like Crysis, GTA4, Assassins Creed, these would be a long way off.
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While I wasn't talking entirely about gaming, experience says that it's normally only about 12 months that one is on the forefront without upgrading... the 8800 is an anomaly, and even then, 18 months isn't very long. In fact, it's an exceptionally short period of time, given console lifespan.
 
Build a decent P35 ($100) with 4GB ($80) ram and a quad core ($220) now. You will be set for awhile for the main part of your system, just swap video cards. Even if you always buy the $200 mid range card, sell the current one and upgrade every year.

The cost of a console is easily the cost of a high end GPU. If you have a decent system to start with, yes GPUs get faster so you can just change out GPUs you dont have to build an entire system every year.
 
dnottis said:
Build a decent P35 ($100) with 4GB ($80) ram and a quad core ($220) now. You will be set for awhile for the main part of your system, just swap video cards. Even if you always buy the $200 mid range card, sell the current one and upgrade every year.

The cost of a console is easily the cost of a high end GPU. If you have a decent system to start with, yes GPUs get faster so you can just change out GPUs you dont have to build an entire system every year.
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Man, you not including all the prices.

That $100 + tax for the P35
$80 + tax for the ram
$220 + tax for the quad core
$xx + tax for a new power supply
$the difference + tax of the graphics card (depending on your old graphics card, this can add a huge amount to total cost)

After you add all that up + tax, you looking at an easy $700-900 whoopers.

And guess what, I bet you every 1.2 years, you will need to upgrade the graphics card or cpu or something to run games at what you&#8217;re used to now. So that&#8217;s additional cost overall.

This 60G PS3 I got 12/06 was $599 + tax at the time. Other than additional controllers, I haven&#8217;t put 1 dime into my PS3. (which if you want to have the same features of MP on a PC, you can add controllers to the cost)

Over time the PS3 will be playing games with overall better graphics and performance, and as it ages, I won&#8217;t have to put any more money into it. The graphics will keep getting better and I'll still be able to play new games. Look at the graphics of the PS2 titles that were first released, to what is running on them today. The hardware stayed the same, but developers just learn how to optimize code over time.

The price is now $399 + tax for a PS3. Although it can't play PS2 games, it can do everything else. You probably are going to end up spending 1/2 of what you initially have to spend on a PC, and in 3 years time (shit how long has the PS2 been out?) you'll have a lot of extra cash to spend on other things.

I enjoyed the shit out of AC on my console and HDTV ;)
 
Ive begain to see a real benefit of Selling your System Every Year and Buying new.. or at least sell the GPU and buy a new one every year.. You should at least get 50% out of your old card..

So, think of it like this, Spend $100-$200 every year and stay on top of the game..
 
Dude, you can get a dual-core processor as much as the cost of the game. AMD and Intel. Neither of them are breaking any records, but they are dual-core chips.
 
There are benefits to a partial upgrade, not when you can, but when you feel that you need. with a complete overhaul every 3-5 years.

Tax? whats that, and who pays that? ordering online - tax free. shipping costs a bit, sometimes the same as the tax.

Consoles definitely save money, but its also a different gaming experience. more problem free :D
But i wouldnt trade a PC for a console for gaming, i just dont want to be tied in to a console.
 
refraxion said:
Yeah, but really seems like he's strapped for cash..
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Has nothing to do with being "strapped for cash". It's more like, I'd rather spend that money on other shit. I guess I'm a casual gamer, so every nickel and dime isnt devoted to it. I don't know about you all, but I still go out, gas + night on the town aint cheap :D
 
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