True for some, but not others. It depends on what you do with the monitor.
I can't stand input lag at all. I won't tolerate it for surfing the web.
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True for some, but not others. It depends on what you do with the monitor.
I can't stand input lag at all. I won't tolerate it for surfing the web.
More shiny electronics? Better paint? Better color? more connectors? What else can they add to a piece of LCD sheet so a picture would really look superior to one looked thru a basic/average LCD?
Everything is in the drivers at this point! Perhaps the OLED (Organic Light Emitting Diode) monitor would show a noticeable difference. I mean day and night!
How would you notice input lag while surfing the web? I own multiple LG and Samsung panels, and never noticed input lag while surfing the web on any of them. On the other hand, my Samsung 204T and 243T are much nicer to look at than any of the LG panels (Dell 2001FP, 30" Apple, and Dell 3008WFP) - smooth whites with no sparkle or grain like you get on LG.
My 2407WFP (v.A03) is an S-PVA panel and it looks fantastic. I've never calibrated it, but don't notice any lag, ghosting, etc. I play COD4, Crysis, Gears of War and others on my 2407 all the time with no problems at all. Admittedly, I've been using LCDs exclusively since 2003, so maybe I'd understand better if I tried these games on a good CRT. Of course, I dare not 'cuz I prefer to live in blissful ignorance rather than have all my misguided notions crushed. What am I missing about the drawbacks of PVA vs. IPS?
Again not every panel is going to have input lag and not all people will even notice it if they do. S-PVA and TN are fast in terms of response time so ghosting won't generally be a problem. As far as the real difference between PVA and IPS it is all in the color reproduction. At least that's the real tell-tale sign that I always notice and can't get past.
Ok, now that it's settled that ghosting and lag time are not inherent in PVA technology, only color reproduction is left. Care to educate us on what's inherently wrong with PVA color reproduction exactly?
rinaldo00,
Thanks for the info,
My 2407WFP (v.A03) is an S-PVA panel and it looks fantastic. I've never calibrated it, but don't notice any lag, ghosting, etc. I play COD4, Crysis, Gears of War and others on my 2407 all the time with no problems at all. Admittedly, I've been using LCDs exclusively since 2003, so maybe I'd understand better if I tried these games on a good CRT. Of course, I dare not 'cuz I prefer to live in blissful ignorance rather than have all my misguided notions crushed. What am I missing about the drawbacks of PVA vs. IPS?
Makes a lot of sense. I'm leaning in favor of the 3007WFP-HC, but am holding off until more news of the 2708WFP is available.Funny thing is... I used to think the exact same thing with my 2405, I thought it looked fantastic - likewise with the dual Samsung 173P's I ran before that. Then I picked up the 3007WFP. Running the 2405 as my second monitor and having it side-by-side, it looks like complete and utter crud compared to big brother. I guess if you really have no reference point and are happy with what you have, it's good enough. Ignorance is bliss applies very well to this situation. Personally, after owning an S-IPS screen, it's very difficult to go back.
Yes, subtle differences, but not to pay double for a monitor. Also, not everybody has 20/20 vision. I do. I can tell differences between 2 monitors. Even within 2 monitors of the same brand and model one would appear too look different somehow. But the emphesis here is what you get for your money and the use for. Majority of computer users don't use a 30 incher. Professionals have paid always a premium for Sony monitors claiming that sony is the best and greatest in the industry. Remember the debate Sony vs. NEC monitors? Aperture Grill vs. shadow mask? Sony use to charge an arm and a leg for their aperture grill monitors and even having 2 horizontal lines in the middle of the screen some people would bet their life that sony monitors image looked night and day better than NEC shadow mask monitors. NEC monitors image looked great also. I had both of them.You are not necessarily right. Dan_D is correct. You get what you pay for, and of course there are difference between LCD panels. Put some Vizio or low cost panel in comparison with some Sony XBR or Samsung. Both LCD. If you don't see the difference, then you might want to get your eyes checked.
Funny thing is... I used to think the exact same thing with my 2405, I thought it looked fantastic - likewise with the dual Samsung 173P's I ran before that. Then I picked up the 3007WFP. Running the 2405 as my second monitor and having it side-by-side, it looks like complete and utter crud compared to big brother. I guess if you really have no reference point and are happy with what you have, it's good enough. Ignorance is bliss applies very well to this situation. Personally, after owning an S-IPS screen, it's very difficult to go back.
DO NOT pay attention! They always come and say that the product they buy is better than whatever you have. Just buy whatever you can afford and enjoy it. Either they buy it on credit, which is not their own money and live in debt for ever or are rich which did not work for their money either.You are welcome. Heck, I own a S-PVA panel (the XHD3000) and I am very happy, yet the 'experts' would say since it isn't a S-IPS panel it is crap. Luckily I am not a graphics professional.
DO NOT pay attention! They always come and say that the product they buy is better than whatever you have. Just buy whatever you can afford and enjoy it. Either they buy it on credit, which is not their own money and live in debt for ever or are rich which did not work for their money either.
I remember being very happy with my monochrome no name monitor that a friend of mine gave me and that just displays text.
You guys are slaggin' "PVAs" pretty bad...
All I know is my 275T smokes my 1st gen Apple Cinema 30" Display in PQ and Response time.
That's just my observation though.
For those of you who are happy with your S-PVA panels, good for you. No one said you shouldn't be happy with them. However I'd wager that if you stuck a Dell 3007WFP-HC or 3008WFP next to your 30" S-PVA panels then you'd understand what the rest of us have been trying to tell you.
I don't know about 30" S-IPS and S-PVA panels, but I know for sure that the Dell 2407WFP that I have sitting in my office looks much better than Dell 3008WFP that I have sitting in my home.
- I see sparkles on 3008WFP, but not on 2407WFP.
- There is obvious backlight leakage in the corners in 3008WFP, but nothing apparent in 2407WFP.
- No dead pixels on 2407WFP (which is around 6 months old), but already 1 blue stuck pixel on my 3008WFP after a week of usage.
I have a friend who has a Samsung 305T and he says it looks impeccable. He uses it for photography, games, excel docs, web design, live tv, etc. No dead pixels, super clear, super nice pure whites and blacks, no backlight leakage. He paid about $1,100.00 shipped.
Damn, $1100 is a helluva price for the 305T!I have a friend who has a Samsung 305T and he says it looks impeccable. He uses it for photography, games, excel docs, web design, live tv, etc. No dead pixels, super clear, super nice pure whites and blacks, no backlight leakage. He paid about $1,100.00 shipped.
Yes it is! Compared to the Dell 3008 and the Apple one it is definitely a great buy!Damn, $1100 is a helluva price for the 305T!
For those of you who are happy with your S-PVA panels, good for you. No one said you shouldn't be happy with them. However I'd wager that if you stuck a Dell 3007WFP-HC or 3008WFP next to your 30" S-PVA panels then you'd understand what the rest of us have been trying to tell you.
As far as I can tell the reviews also pointed to 305T being the best 30 inch. I thought Dell 3008WFP will improve over that, but obviously thats not the case and that seemed to be confirmed by the reivews which have rated 3008WFP quite low. Hopefully, we will get some reviews on NEC 3090WQXi as well.
Maybe, and if true I'll switch. But my XHD3000 has a better scaler, nicer menu system, PIP, no noticable input lag or ghosting on FPS or movies, and 0 dead pixels or backlight bleed. The color on the 3008WFP would have to be a huge improvement to counter the rest.
Maybe, and if true I'll switch. But my XHD3000 has a better scaler, nicer menu system, PIP, no noticable input lag or ghosting on FPS or movies, and 0 dead pixels or backlight bleed. The color on the 3008WFP would have to be a huge improvement to counter the rest.
He says he got it on Ebay. I asked him to get me one but he says the Ebay guy did not have any more but would get more soon. At the time he had 6 in stock and he sold them all.Do you know where he got it for $1,100?
Just because your XHD3000 doesn't have ghosting or lag doens't mean that the 3008WFP does. As for the scaler I can't say. Does anyone actually know what scaler is even in the Dell 3008WFP? As for the menu system I don't care. It isn't as if I access the menu system daily. I set things and I'm done with it until I have a reason to check something. In fact. I've got no dead pixels and there is no reason to believe you'd have them on the 3008WFP. As for PIP I don't really care about that personally.
To each their own I guess. I'm not suggesting you purchase a 3008WFP for comparisons but the 3008WFP isn't any less of a monitor or inferior to your XHD3000 simply because you own the latter.
Its PVA based meaning it has lag, its inherent to the technology.
How do you calibrate these monitors?The reviews I read said that the Samsung 305T out of the box looked better than the 3007WFP-HC out of the box since the Dell has bad factory calibration. A properly calibrated Dell looks better. Maybe you should get your 3008 professionally calibrated.
How do you calibrate these monitors?
Geez, those are expensive. I'm no graphic artist or video producer, so I'm not convinced it'd be worth it for my LCD needs (lots of work with text, documents, writing,... and gaming, of course).
True, but you seem to claim the opposite, that the XHD3000 is inferior to the 3008WFP without seeing either one. Extremetech reviewed both, and while they were impessed with the Dell's PC image, the other inputs were less impressive, same with the scaler. Extremetech said this " Unfortunately, Dell isn't disclosing what video processor is being used, except to say that it's not a Silicon Optix HQV processor. " so odds are it is inferior.
A S-IPS panel does not a guarantee great monitor. Maybe the 3007WFP-HC or the new NEC is the way to go.
I'm comparing the technology between the two and sorry but S-PVA is inferior to S-IPS. I'm not saying the Dell 3008WFP's implementation is worth a shit, but if I had to buy one or the other blind, I'd go with the Dell. Every PVA based monitor I've ever used sucked compared to my old school 3007WFP.
For graphics professionals that need color acuracy perhaps. For the others there are other features that can make a monitor with a S-PVA panel a better choice than a monitor with a S-IPS panel.
I have read a ton of monitor reviews on a ton of sites. Sometimes monitors with S-PVA panels are rated higher than monitors with S-IPS panels. Are all of those reviews wrong?