It's official, DangerDen has stopped trying

I am speaking of the first block. Not all that bad, but I still expect the EK to do better.
 
markkleb said:
Here is a thought, the new cards use smaller dies, make less heat and therefor need less core contact.
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G92:

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7800GT:

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6800 (nu I think):

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Recent cores haven't been getting smaller; if anything, they've been getting bigger. Even if the cores were staying the same, reducing the core contact does pretty much nothing except reduce the performance that should expect for a $100 block that loses resell/(if any) reuse value value very quickly And other than inside the current generation, ATI and NVidia's cards have clearly been getting hotter, which means blocks should be improving in performance.
markkleb said:
If you read the review DB posted a link to you will see it works fine and cools excellent compared to the stock cooler.

And I dont get you guys, DD has made a very good block and just because its not shiny its not good enough? First the blocks face down in ur comps so you cant see them anyways and its much better to me that I get a good cooler for a more reasonable price than some fluff in my comp.
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Like Erasmus, I have no qualms about the IONE performing horribly. By as much as we can predict or have seen, it will clearly cool better than stock air. The point is, for $110, it better be a hell of a lot better than stock air, and any quiet aftermarket air period. When the EK can be purchased for the same price (even though it comes from Slovenia), there's a bit of a pricing problem for DD considering that some think they've tried to cut costs on this block. The EK looks prettier (hey, it's something people love to brag about) and most likely performs better. In the IONE's benefit, it is one of only 2 (what look to be) quality performing single slot G92 blocks, the other being the more expensive AC AquagraFX GT.
 
ikellensbro said:
G92:
Recent cores haven't been getting smaller; if anything, they've been getting bigger.
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LOL, I dont get having to explain very basic stuff over and over but here goes,

According to a review here on [H] written by Brent Justice,
Quote:
"This GPU is based on the new 65nm manufacturing process instead of the G80’s 90nm process. This helps reduce power and heat required, and as a result the maximum TDP of this video card is 110 Watts, compare that to 185 Watts on the 8800 GTX and 145 Watts on the 8800 GTS. With the reduction in TDP NVIDIA was able to make this video card a single-slot solution that is the same length as a 8800 GTS."

Now according to the review previously posted from Guru3D by Hilbert Hagedoorn with the room temps of 20-21C the card temps were Idle 33 and MAX was 41C seems pretty good to me.

PS: how much fun is it doing a RMA to Slovenia?
 
I love angry fanboyz, lol.

Anyway, my votes's for anything but that DD block, it just looks cheap to my eye.
 
Y'all are funny, even my el-cheapo MCW60 cools the core to 35-36C under any load I can throw at it with my "OMG IT IS A Tt POS" water cooling. Looks, thats a personal thing, debate it all you want. Damn cards dont overclock worth a shit anyway. Either block will more than do the job so debating the fine points of block design seems a bit pointless to me other than the entertainment value. Unless the DD is consistantly warped or prone to leaks in actual use or is shown to be markedly inferior, IMO the OP is just DD bashing because he does not like the way it looks. Valid enough I guess, but it does not sway my opinion of the product. I do not care for any full coverage blocks in a single graphics card configuration based on cost vs benifits, so there :p.

Now someone show me a repeatable test where in the same system both blocks were used/swapped out with some temp measurements and I might get excited. Until then, not so much.

Graphics cores have been getting larger and hotter.
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As pointed out in posts above, no cookie for you.
It is valid to talk about heat density, and that is going to be an issue as the cores continue to shrink.
 
If DD was judging it's success on how it's products look, they would have dissappeared long ago.

IMHO, anyone who cares about serious watercooling doesn't care about how their blocks look, but how they perform. Numbers please.

Also, this talk of flow and restriction is petty. I'll bet the delta of performance between most FC GPU blocks is less than 10%. (No proof, just guessing).

In terms of temperatures, this equals a mute point. If one particular block results in a 10 degree (F) drop in temp over another, does that mean the death of the hotter component comes earlier? May be, may be not. Only time will tell.

I'll bet the time to an early death will come much later than the products useful lifetime anyway.

My $.02
 
markkleb said:
LOL, I dont get having to explain very basic stuff over and over but here goes,

According to a review here on [H] written by Brent Justice,
Quote:
"This GPU is based on the new 65nm manufacturing process instead of the G80’s 90nm process. This helps reduce power and heat required, and as a result the maximum TDP of this video card is 110 Watts, compare that to 185 Watts on the 8800 GTX and 145 Watts on the 8800 GTS. With the reduction in TDP NVIDIA was able to make this video card a single-slot solution that is the same length as a 8800 GTS."

Now according to the review previously posted from Guru3D by Hilbert Hagedoorn with the room temps of 20-21C the card temps were Idle 33 and MAX was 41C seems pretty good to me.

PS: how much fun is it doing a RMA to Slovenia?
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So you whip out ONE specific time when the core shrunk, to counter multiple generations when it has grown and become hotter.

Strawman of the greatest level.

I love DD products, but they've become progressively worse, and I'm turned off by fanatic defenders.
 
sd11 said:
So you whip out ONE specific time when the core shrunk, to counter multiple generations when it has grown and become hotter.
Strawman of the greatest level.
and I'm turned off by fanatic defenders
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ok how about the 8600 series (90nm to 80)? how about from the 2900XT to the 3870s and on and on...:rolleyes:

Fanatic Defenders? Did I mention that I make my own blocks? If you think you can make such ridiculous(and totally uniformed) statements and go unchallenged ur wrong.
 
sd11 said:
So you whip out ONE specific time when the core shrunk, to counter multiple generations when it has grown and become hotter.

Strawman of the greatest level.

I love DD products, but they've become progressively worse, and I'm turned off by fanatic defenders.
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Give a good critique . . .this thread is bone-headed hatism . . .the OP had NO quanitative basis . . .NONE. That is why some of use rose up and said BS. Do you have side-by-side tests? No?
 
I have a 10C delta on my evga 8800 gt(non ssc) with the Ek FC88, but I still wanna see the DD reviews.
 
I mean 10 C difference in Idle and load. I load at 50C, and idle as low as 37 in a room that's 76F/24.4C
 
filthysanchez said:
I mean 10 C difference in Idle and load. I load at 50C, and idle as low as 37 in a room that's 76F/24.4C
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LOL . . .I thought u meant 10c delta between DD and EK . . .that is what people need to know, although the diff will not be great, at least great enough to make the world stop
 
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