Intel Xeon X3220 Over q6600?

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Would it be wise to go with a Xeon X3220 over a Q6600 come price drops? The x series are lga775 and will be the same price as the Q6600. I am thinking the xeon would overclock better since they are usually higher bins.
 
JAW said:
Would it be wise to go with a Xeon X3220 over a Q6600 come price drops? The x series are lga775 and will be the same price as the Q6600. I am thinking the xeon would overclock better since they are usually higher bins.
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There is no proof of that. No one that works for Intel or has worked for Intel has ever stated that the Xeons are identical to their core 2 Quad counterparts except they are a better bin of the processor. As cheap and reliable as the Q6600's are, I'd seriously doubt the two are any different. I'd be willing to bet that they are both identical processors and they seperate them based on order fullfilment needs and not any other criteria.
 
Is there any [H]ard evidence that the Xeon X3210 and X3220 will under go the HUGE price drops that the Q6600's will after the 22nd ?

People are talking about getting a X3220 or X3210 on the cheap,266$ or less even for the 3210,but no where have I seen any qoutes from reputable hardware sites that these server chips will get equivalant price cuts.Any real confirmations ?
 
Manny Calavera said:
Is there any [H]ard evidence that the Xeon X3210 and X3220 will under go the HUGE price drops that the Q6600's will after the 22nd ?

People are talking about getting a X3220 or X3210 on the cheap,266$ or less even for the 3210,but no where have I seen any qoutes from reputable hardware sites that these server chips will get equivalant price cuts.Any real confirmations ?
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Guru3D which cites digitimes. I can pretty much gurantee you this will happen. If you don't want to believe it then don't.
 
Then what's to stop anyone from getting a X3210 for a lower price and overclocking?
 
YoNeX said:
Guru3D which cites digitimes. I can pretty much gurantee you this will happen. If you don't want to believe it then don't.
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Thanks YoNeX,you are a gentlemen,and a.... overclocker ? :D


unclewebb said:
The biggest difference between an X3220 and a Q6600 is the box they come in. Once you get them out of the box they will overclock quite similar.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9UM
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9UP
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Cool,thanks for the heads up.
 
unclewebb said:
The biggest difference between an X3220 and a Q6600 is the box they come in. Once you get them out of the box they will overclock quite similar.

http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9UM
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9UP
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That's what I thought. I don't believe Intel bins the LGA775 Xeons any differently than they do the LGA775 Core 2 Duo/Core 2 Quad/Core 2 Extreme processors. AMD might have done that with the Socket 939 and AM2 Opterons, and the only reason why that was assumed is due to Opterons consistently overclocking better than their Athlon counterparts. In reference to the Intel CPUs there is no evidence of that what so ever.
 
For the X3210, it's a nice deal for those who doesn't overclock too much and wish to use DDR2-800 with the 8x multiplier. However, for the X3220, it's a coin toss with the Q6600 on availability and price (get what is available and cheaper) :)

 
i for one am really hoping that the 3210 will end up just over 200 near next january, in which case ill buy one and run it at 1333 FSB, ending up at QX6700 clocks, with probably similar thermals

if not, ill just get a q6600, i just want the quad core thing, if intel brought out a Q4300, i would jump on that rather then spending more for a q6600 (currently running a e4300 at 2.4)
 
Well before I fried my motherboard I was very happy running my Q6600 at 3.4GHz.
 
Can anyone tell me if the Asus P5K-Deluxe WiFi AP supports Xeon quadcores ? I went to Asus's website and its a mess,and insanely slow.According to Asus,none of thier P5K series boards,support any of the quad's,xeon or not ! :rolleyes: Anyone have any [h]ard data ??

I dont want to spring for the chip and then find out I'll have to wait for a Bios update that may never come on a motherboard that cost me 240+ bucks....

The box says 'quad' ready and all,but the website says the exact opposite.
 
I'd like to know the same for an Asus P5N32 SLI Premium. I know it was stated that mine should accept a Q6600 fine, but I want to be damn sure about a Xeon being an option too
 
Hello,

I want to know if the P5K-Deluxe WiFi AP supports quad core Xeon socket 775 cpu's,like the X3220 and X3210....

If a specific bios revision is needed which one ?

If you go on the Asus site here,and check for CPU compatibility of the P5K-Deluxe,you will slowly find out that Asus thinks this board does not support ANY of the quad core chips from Intel,Q6600/QX6700 series or Xeon X3210/3220/3230,etc...... !!

The adverstising on the site,and on the product packaging say it supports the qaud's,and that its 'quad ready'.but the actual tech doc's on this site,say it does not ?!

I tried to use 'Tech Support' and its online form,but it would not let me submit a question unless I could input the serial number of the board in question... Not exaclty user friendly
or customer friendly for that matter.

Which is it ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.Its seems marketing and the engineers are working for two seperate companies here ^.^
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Asus's website and forum must be one of the worst forums and tech sites I have ever had to use. :mad: I posted the above to thier 'motherboard' forum.Its gets tons of posts but many go unanswered
 
Manny Calavera said:
Asus's website and forum must be one of the worst forums and tech sites I have ever had to use. :mad: I posted the above to thier 'motherboard' forum.Its gets tons of posts but many go unanswered
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That's because it's too slow to browse and many people don't bother posting there. I know I don't. I went there looking for information on my Striker Extreme. Turned out to be a waste of time so I don't bother going there anymore.
 
am i stupid for buying an Intel Xeon X3220? i have a choice between G0 Q6600 and the Intel Xeon X3220 but for some reason I chose Intel Xeon X3220, thinking like it would be the same as an Opteron (runs cooler, low volts and decent oc)...i dont even know if the Xeon will run on my existing mobo on my sig, what do you guys think?will my X3220 run on my P35-DQ6
 
Looks like the Q6600 G0 is kicking the crap out of any CPU in price range because of it's amazing on air cooling OCing.

There shouldn't even be a debate about it.:p
 
Xilikon said:
For the X3210, it's a nice deal for those who doesn't overclock too much and wish to use DDR2-800 with the 8x multiplier. However, for the X3220, it's a coin toss with the Q6600 on availability and price (get what is available and cheaper) :)

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That doesn't make any sense. The X3210 is a good deal b/c it's $50 cheaper, not b/c you would only choose to use DDR2-800, or not OC the snot out of it. An 11% performance penalty for a 17% price break is a good deal.
poohead said:
There is a noticeable difference between these two chips at G0 stepping:
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLACR
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLACT
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I've been keen on the X3210 for many weeks, and I've been watching those pages. The specs were only changed in the last couple days, with no explanation.

-bZj
 
I think I read somewhere that xeons aren't as powerful for gaming as conroes, but I would like it if someone could confirm that xeons are definitely less desirable clock for clock than conroes/kentsfields
 
poohead said:
There is a noticeable difference between these two chips at G0 stepping:
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLACR
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLACT
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Yes, the thermal spec is at 85c instead of the 71c for Q6600 G0.

Anyhow, Overclocking-ability can never be guaranteed. No one can be certain if X3220 will outperforms a Q6600 G0 in terms of overclock-ability and potential.

One may have a tough luck getting a lower binned X3220 G0 and one may have a good luck getting a higher binned Q6600 G0. (In my case ;) )
 
HarkovAdm said:
I think I read somewhere that xeons aren't as powerful for gaming as conroes, but I would like it if someone could confirm that xeons are definitely less desirable clock for clock than conroes/kentsfields
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Same.

Exact.

Chip.

-bZj
 
JAW said:
Would it be wise to go with a Xeon X3220 over a Q6600 come price drops? The x series are lga775 and will be the same price as the Q6600. I am thinking the xeon would overclock better since they are usually higher bins.
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I would if I could get a G0 based Xeon X3220 but good luck finding a X3220 for the same price as a Q6600 as they typically are in short supply from what I found and higher priced.
 
It would seem likely most enthusiast mother boards would not recognize the CPU id string as the bios probally would not have the needed update. Now if this would actually be a problem ? /shrug I am pretty certain generic board defaults would work and manually setting the bios would do the trick.

Edit Oops! just saw the cpuid string is even identical so perhaps our boards would recongnize it.

What we need to know (and probally never will) is the criteria, if any, Intel uses to "make" Xeons.
(I agree they are very likely the same exact cores at the die level).

That said, I would speculate, and thats all it is, If I where an Intel engineer and had to devise a criteria to sort out Xeon parts I would be looking at low Vid requirements as power consumption is the buzz in servers these days. This might lead/indicate parts that overclock well, who knows, but the very last thing I would be thinking about would be end users overclocking server chips. Remember, Intel shocked the bejebbus out of us with their very recent support of OCing of consumer chips/boards. That was a revolution that took 15 years to happen. I can not see Intel even starting to think about OCing server chips, its just not done by any sane person. LOL so here we are, I like the lunatic fringe !

hmm based on the different TPD and Thermal Specification I would guess that the Xeons are probally programmed with a different (higher) thermal trip points but I am not going to read the cpu data sheet to confirm, had enough of that lately.

I probally will stick with the consumer version when I upgrade but I gotta admit, its a very interesting idea and Kyle should buy Dan a handful of Xeons and get a good article out of it. !!! ;)
 
BillParrish said:
...its a very interesting idea and Kyle should buy Dan a handful of Xeons and get a good article out of it. !!! ;) [/B]
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This idea,and a few other things are potential article Ideas I have mentioned on these forums,over time,[H] should do .

We are not getting the overclocking articles we used to get from [H]... :(
 
you'd think people would want the x3210 ... being that most quad cores aren't going to see much higher than 3ghz-ish unless you go with some pretty hefty cooling (3.5 on air would be tops, i'd imagine).

atleast with the x3210 you'd end up running a higher fsb with that lower multiplier.... in turn getting better performance because each pair of cores communicates through the FSB anyway.
 
ok my Xeon X3220 just arrived im just hoping that my board detects it and dont give me a hard time about it.... :mad: im not hoping for any overclocking...I just like the idea of having a server processor again, just like my Opteron 165/175/185 days :D
 
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