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I'm not a gamer, and persistence / response time of little concern to me. Even so, since I'm one of the first with a 2690, I ran the pixel persistence tests, as requested. I ran the tests both with overdrive off and on. These were run on my PC, connected to the 2690 through a kvm into the analog vga port. My MacPro is digital, of course, but this is PC software so that's where I ran it.
I really don't know how to interpret the results, but here they are:
Overdrive off:
Graphics mode: 1920x1200 @ 32 bppOverdrive on:
Frame rate: 59.6 Hz
Gamma factor: -
Flag test: b->w: 97.0%, w->b: 94.7%, b->g:-, w->g:-
Chase test: 1(1.7ms), 5(8.3ms), 4(6.7ms)
Readability: Tempo 8
Graphics mode: 1920x1200 @ 32 bpp
Frame rate: 59.6 Hz
Gamma factor: -
Flag test: b->w: 100.0%, w->b: 98.2%, b->g:-, w->g:-
Chase test: 1(1.7ms), 3(5.0ms), 3(5.0ms)
Readability: Tempo 8
I hope that's useful.
Anyway, I'm loving the monitor, with or without overdrive!
What is the overdrive, what does it do?
Good to know, so i guess if it's better to switch it off for max quality! thanks Clement.
TRAVBOMB...I Order one true Microserv...Mike Snizynsky the REP for the province of Quebec Canada told me it's him who will distribute them to ARTCO, Synnex, Ingram...He told me i'm on the top of is list !!! Was wondering if you have a date of shipement.
I'm dying her....Please...
Can anyone answer if this is good or bad?
Take them for what they're worth, but I wouldn't base a buying decision on them.
You talk to Mike?!?! Mike is a great guy, I am sure he will help you out. We just had a group of units released into our normal stock today so those should be shipping out tomorow. I will post again in the morning.
My advice is, if you're gaming or using the monitor for general purposes, ignore the calibration discussion and just get the monitor to look good. In my case, that would have consisted of turning down the brightness, and that's all.
Bottom line... seems like Vincent @ BEHardware is either:
1) Smoking dope,
2) Looking at something pre-production, or
3) His testing methodology just doesn't represent anything meaningful.
Excellent writeup painman, thanks for posting. Switching to a sRGB colorspace seems silly to me though. One of the main reasons to get the 2690 (vs. the 2490) is for the increased color gamut, but if you're saying sRGB looks better, then aren't you turning it into a 72% color gamut monitor? I know you haven't calibrated it yet, so I eagerly await your review of that. Again, thanks a lot.
Sweet. I was hoping for that as this monitor is my top pick. I require both like color accuracy and good response.
Good call. Calibration is pointless if you are a gamer, as you don't care about color accuracy you care about contrast.
Why waste your money on this NEC monitor if you do not care about color accuracy. Go buy a Dell for 40% of the price of this monitor of all you care about is gaming. The Dell, BenQ, Samsung will perform just as well if not better for gaming purposes than this NEC monitor.
Why save 40% of the price if all you care about gaming? If all you care about is gaming, you want the best gaming experience possible. According to Painmans review, you have the speed required and almost any tweaking option available to make your games shine. Since its based upon a S-IPS panel, chances are that you don't have the loss of detail at center view as some models among the brands Dell, BenQ and Samsung you refer to. Also, there is less chance of input lag/signal delay as well. Coupled with a greater gammut, 12 bit lut and colorcomp to increase the panel uniformity, the standards are set a bit higher.
I don't know what kind of performance you refer to when you say that the Dell, BenQ and Samsung (which models btw?) will perform just as well if not better for gaming purposes? If you are talking about the 24" variants, then neither of those screens are in the same league as the 2690. The 2690 is a graphical professional monitor that is actually fast enough to to game with according to Painman (who is one of the few that has tried this screen here). It costs more, but that also goes for a geforce 7300GT vs. a 8800GTX. That you can run games with the 7300GT doesn't mean its better then the 8800GTX. Gaming isn't just about running the games. People want eyecandy too. Here I believe the 2690 delivers more then any of the BenQ, Dell and Samsung models.
I agree to a point,but I would never equate the 2407 A04 or BenQ 241W to a 7300GT !!!??! More like they are the 7900GTX's and the 2690 is the 8800GTX.
Why save 40% of the price if all you care about gaming? If all you care about is gaming, you want the best gaming experience possible. According to Painmans review, you have the speed required and almost any tweaking option available to make your games shine. Since its based upon a S-IPS panel, chances are that you don't have the loss of detail at center view as some models among the brands Dell, BenQ and Samsung you refer to. Also, there is less chance of input lag/signal delay as well. Coupled with a greater gammut, 12 bit lut and colorcomp to increase the panel uniformity, the standards are set a bit higher.
I don't know what kind of performance you refer to when you say that the Dell, BenQ and Samsung (which models btw?) will perform just as well if not better for gaming purposes? If you are talking about the 24" variants, then neither of those screens are in the same league as the 2690. The 2690 is a graphical professional monitor that is actually fast enough to to game with according to Painman (who is one of the few that has tried this screen here). It costs more, ... Gaming isn't just about running the games. People want eyecandy too. Here I believe the 2690 delivers more then any of the BenQ, Dell and Samsung models.
Tamlin_WSGF - Congradulations you are the first I have heard that has annointed the NEC 2690 as the best monitor for both professional graphics and gaming purposes! Unfortunately the world of gaming values several parameters where a number of far less expensive 24 inch monitors perform better. In particular in the area of response time the NEC panel has not lived up to its advertised specification. It is great that Painman is so impressed with the NEC display; unfortunately Vincent Alzieu, in his review at: http://www.behardware.com/articles/648-3/nec-multisync-lcd2690wuxi-the-first-26-inch.html discredited the NEC 2690 for its poor performance relative to the far cheaper 24 inch monitors on the market. Alzieu's quote states:
"Clearly the reaction time of this panel is disappointing. There has been no progress since the Nec LCD2090UXi, an IPS 16 ms. We even wonder if the panel manufacturer, or Nec forgot to put the 1 in front of the 6ms response time."
Even when it comes to color accuracy, Alzieu notes that the Dell 2407wfp had a lower out of the box DeltaE than the NEC 2690.
I have seen all of the above mentioned manufacturers 24 inch offerings as well as the NEC 2690. All of the monitors have their strong points and the NEC product advances in several areas. However the panel is not an NEC panel and the panel is/will be availalable in other products. It has yet to be seen if the panel manufacturer can maintain quality control and consistency in production of this panel. This panel's yield has yet to provide the quality and quantity needed to sustain the market demand for it.
I stand by the proposition that the gamer is better served by the far less expensive avialable 24 inch products than the 25 inch, currently short supplied, NEC 2690. The market for the NEC 2690 is the professional graphics oriented person. It competes in that market superlatively. One is deluding themselves it they believe the NEC 2690 provides the best gaming experience possible. NEC 2690 owners will be viewing games and video with more blurs and imperfect rendering of images than on some of the competitors 24 inch offerings. When I saw the NEC 2690 I found the backlight to be overly bright out of the box and believe one would have to reduce the backlight substantially for use even in a graphic production situation. It is unclear to me what reducing the backlight to minimum does to the gama and color accuracy of the NEC 2690. The ability to custom tweak the NEC 2690 LUT is of great benefit but this comes at the higher price of paying more for the monitor in addition to add on costs for NEC software. The price premium associated with graphics user benefits does not enhance the gaming experience suffficiently to justify its price for the gamer when other lower priced products exceed the performance of the NEC 2690 in other performance parameters important to the gamer.
Acer/BenQ ftw!
Tamlin_WSGF - Congradulations you are the first I have heard that has annointed the NEC 2690 as the best monitor for both professional graphics and gaming purposes! Unfortunately the world of gaming values several parameters where a number of far less expensive 24 inch monitors perform better. In particular in the area of response time the NEC panel has not lived up to its advertised specification. It is great that Painman is so impressed with the NEC display; unfortunately Vincent Alzieu, in his review at: http://www.behardware.com/articles/648-3/nec-multisync-lcd2690wuxi-the-first-26-inch.html discredited the NEC 2690 for its poor performance relative to the far cheaper 24 inch monitors on the market. Alzieu's quote states:
"Clearly the reaction time of this panel is disappointing. There has been no progress since the Nec LCD2090UXi, an IPS 16 ms. We even wonder if the panel manufacturer, or Nec forgot to put the 1 in front of the 6ms response time."
Even when it comes to color accuracy, Alzieu notes that the Dell 2407wfp had a lower out of the box DeltaE than the NEC 2690.
I have seen all of the above mentioned manufacturers 24 inch offerings as well as the NEC 2690. All of the monitors have their strong points and the NEC product advances in several areas. However the panel is not an NEC panel and the panel is/will be availalable in other products. It has yet to be seen if the panel manufacturer can maintain quality control and consistency in production of this panel. This panel's yield has yet to provide the quality and quantity needed to sustain the market demand for it.
I stand by the proposition that the gamer is better served by the far less expensive avialable 24 inch products than the 25 inch, currently short supplied, NEC 2690. The market for the NEC 2690 is the professional graphics oriented person. It competes in that market superlatively. One is deluding themselves it they believe the NEC 2690 provides the best gaming experience possible. NEC 2690 owners will be viewing games and video with more blurs and imperfect rendering of images than on some of the competitors 24 inch offerings. When I saw the NEC 2690 I found the backlight to be overly bright out of the box and believe one would have to reduce the backlight substantially for use even in a graphic production situation. It is unclear to me what reducing the backlight to minimum does to the gama and color accuracy of the NEC 2690. The ability to custom tweak the NEC 2690 LUT is of great benefit but this comes at the higher price of paying more for the monitor in addition to add on costs for NEC software. The price premium associated with graphics user benefits does not enhance the gaming experience suffficiently to justify its price for the gamer when other lower priced products exceed the performance of the NEC 2690 in other performance parameters important to the gamer.
This monitor has another surprising strong point. NEC announces 91% coverage of the NTSC gamut. This is much higher than average. So much higher that it even questions the point of having LED backlights.
from the same review...Who will be interested by this evolution?Those who print images for professional use. This monitor is one of a few that is capable of accurately resituating some of the most extreme shades differentiated by printers (white gamut). Compare one image displayed on this monitor with the same image on a different monitor and you will see color scales where the other has a uniform color area. For a graphic designers doing catalogues or a photographer editing pictures of a new collection, this greater richness of colors completely justifies the investment in such a monitor!
Using a reviewer who is too stupid ...
NEC has packed this panels with features not found in any of the other panels.
Let me quote him a bit, since you like his flawed reviews:
I see that your opinion is pretty much based upon Vincents senile dementia
Painmans excelent review, which goes in favor of this screen.