8800 GTX released too early??

SX2233 said:
what make you think I can't afford a 8800 gts little troll? I just bought a 900 dollar 37" 1080P hdtv for computer gaming last month.
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Maybe because you spent all your money and came here to bitch about not being able to afford a better graphics card to go with your monitor ? :)
If not, why dont you give us the real reason why you created this thread.
If it wasnt to be annoying, you must have another reason?
 
MrWizard6600 said:
there was no "rush" the G80 has been in development since july 2002
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He's got a pretty good point......over 4 years in development, doesn't really sound like anyone was rushing anything to me.
 
Chernobyl1 said:
Maybe because you spent all your money and came here to bitch about not being able to afford a better graphics card to go with your monitor ? :)
If not, why dont you give us the real reason why you created this thread.
If it wasnt to be annoying, you must have another reason?
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now why would I do that when I have several thousands of dollars sitting in my bank, little boy, I just see no real reason to get a 8800 cause my x1900xtx can handle all the games smoothly
 
SX2233 said:
now why would I do that when I have several thousands of dollars sitting in my bank, little boy, I just see no real reason to get a 8800 cause my x1900xtx can handle all the games smoothly
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That's great... I don't need a quad core processor either, but I havn't started a thread about it.

Just because YOU dont need it doesn't mean others don't. Now, course if you had proven/asked about an apparent lack of feature (such as many of us did when the G70 couldn't do HDR + AA...) you'd have some logical ground to make this thread.

As it stands you think the product was rushed because your current card runs everything you need. Great. Mine doesn't.

And for the last time, stop bringing up all the money you have in the bank. Jesus christ, everyone with a job probably has thousands of dollars in their bank account, but we're not bragging about it.

For the last time, I think you need to grow up and learn some netiquette.
 
SX2233 said:
now why would I do that when I have several thousands of dollars sitting in my bank, little boy, I just see no real reason to get a 8800 cause my x1900xtx can handle all the games smoothly
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lol so theres "no real reason" why the 8800 came out too early then? :)
Its easy to see why you made the post, you bought a card with bragging rights and its annoyed you that it costs so much to be up there again so soon.
Hehe, whatever floats your boat but do you really need to start a flame war when there is "no real reason" ?
 
I want you to stop and think: this is nVidia. The biggest company in enthusiast cards. Yeah, that company.

Do you really think that they haven't been working with MS on DX10 since day one? They've probably been playing with the new API for months by now, as well as some beta games. Crysis has said they are also working VERY close with nVidia on the game. Trust me, nVidia made plenty sure these cards hold up in DX10.
 
I don't think my free XFX 7950 512mb xtreme is worth giving up for an 8800 :eek:
 
Well, I have been waiting for these cards to come out. All the cards I have used ( 7900 GTX, 7950 GX2 or ATI X1900XTX ) have all fallen short of giving good HD gaming capability. Finally, we have cards that can run at 2560x 1600 with AA and AF turned up without getting a slide show. These are the first video cards that finally make the grade!

8800GTX SLI can do 7500 in 3DMark06 at 2560x1600 with 4xaa and 16xAF, 9400 at default AA and AF settings.
 
SX2233 said:
There are no DX10 games out yet, nVidia could've perfected the card better instead of rushing it out... and x1900 and 7900 aren't exactly bad for DX9 games yet.
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you and i may not have any DX10 games, but you can bet the developers already have DX10 games working, and they only have one piece of hardware to test it on, the G80 (there may be one or two very early ES R600's out there by now, but nothing resembling final production units), and Nvidia would obviously work closely with these developers and would obviously know if their hardware sucked at DX10 titles or not, but leave the entire DX10 thing out of it and just look at how it is handing everything else it's ass in DX9, has increased the IQ level higher than any other card, is capable of using 16xAA at the same cost as 4xAA.... and has 297 million more transistors than your x1900 but uses basically the same amount of power......yeah, those are the kind of things that come from rushed releases.... :rolleyes:

no, x1900 and 7900 are not "bad" for gaming, but there are several major titles that were basically unplayable at high resolutions and detail settings before the G80 launch....sure, you might be able to play Oblivion at 1280x1024 or whatever at decent settings with a x1900, but could you play it at 1600x1200 (or higher) with everything maxed out, like with 4xMSAA and 16xHQAF? .........no, you can't, and many people want to and now they can, so why are knocking them?

how can you make such a short "broad brush" remark with nothing at all to back it up?

what makes you say it isn't perfected so far? everyone that has one or has reviewed one seems to think they hit it spot on.......and they of course have plenty of time to make it even better by the time ATI gets around to releasing R600.....if anything, R600 will now be a rushed product to simply stay in the game...
 
SX2233 said:
now why would I do that when I have several thousands of dollars sitting in my bank, little boy, I just see no real reason to get a 8800 cause my x1900xtx can handle all the games smoothly
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I wouldnt suggest you talk anymore, unless you want to get seriously flamed..

And we dont care how much money you have. I have -$2 sitting in my bank account, and I'm buying an 8800gtx pretty soon. Should I be bragging or something?
 
from the looks of it, i think this thread should be locked. Its not contructive at all as there seems to be no point to this thread besides someone whining about a video card they dont even need or want. Not even a decent opinion so this will most likely turn into a flame fest soon.
 
Ricey said:
from the looks of it, i think this thread should be locked. Its not contructive at all as there seems to be no point to this thread besides someone whining about a video card they dont even need or want. Not even a decent opinion so this will most likely turn into a flame fest soon.
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I whole heartedly agree.
 
I feel this has been the BEST timed launch by Nvidia ever in there long history. Things just feel into place to good for them. First, you had a rather large list of compatible PSU's that were ready for the cards right from the start. Some that are at very reasonable prices. The better quailty of DDR2 Memory being avaialbale for newer model mobos were great. Dual Core Processors starting to become the main choice among gamers. The release of the Conroe CPU's that completly uplifted what a gaming PC can be. The release of the 680i based motherboards with full blown support for Core 2 Duo CPU's. Can't forget AMD either as there pretty well situated with there AM2/Motherboard configs. As you can see, the 8800 GPU's lived up to there price tags delivering one of the biggest leaps in performance over the current gen since the FX5950 --> 6800 Ultra.

-DarkLegacy
 
SX2233 said:
now why would I do that when I have several thousands of dollars sitting in my bank, little boy, I just see no real reason to get a 8800 cause my x1900xtx can handle all the games smoothly
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I know name calling is immature... but wow ... what a douche.
 
Do I think Nvidia release 8800GTX, answer would be no. G80 has been in development for a long time(so has Ati counterpart). Yes there is no DX10 out right now to make this card shine at the moment , but remember Vista was suppose to be out already and its was Microsoft who set the time table for DX10 (VIsta release ) and it was Microsoft that Kept delaying Vista time after time to get it right. Nvidia could have release G80 later, but since it obviously works with DX9 and soon to be release DX10, there really wasnt any reason not to release it.
 
CounTDookU23 said:
I just got mine yesterday. All i gotta say is WHOAH. These are some monster cards. Even in World of Warcraft i can see this babies strength's. The image quality moving up from my 7800GTX is outstanding!!! I also ran Oblivion and NWN2 and I was blown away by this cards performance. If you have the dough.............. its well worth it. I just sold my 7800GTX on these forums so my price is roughly $400 for a huge upgrade. I work very hard for my money and this is what makes me tickle. Its all relative to if you are a die hard computer enthusiast or not. Hell im running a 3800X2 at 2.6GHZ and im sure when i upgrade to a higher cpu/motherboard/memory platform that the performance will scale even higher.
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im pretty much in the same boat dude its really worth it

and also work hard for my money.. :eek:
nice said
 
Arcygenical said:
One, don't double post.

Two, don't come in here and flaunt how much you spend on computer gaming.

Three... If you have an opinion, that's fine, but at least back it up with some proof. It's great that you think the product was rushed. I also think conroe was rushed. Sure, AMD was ahead, but Intel could have spent longer optimizing their new architecture so that, well you know, it was better. (/sarcasm)

Last, I think you're the troll. Saying things like, "Shows what you know" is just ASKING to be banned.

And don't even think of accusing me of being a fan-boy or something. I respect that you have an opinion. Hell, I'm not even attempting to discredit or bash your theory in any way, but calling people names, after they've questionned your logic is simply immature. Either be more specific, grow up or get out.
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Chernobyl1 said:
feeling bitter cos you cant afford one?
I see nothing you have said that shows how they rushed it out or that it is too early.
Maybe it is too early, but only for you :)
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this is call quenstioning my logic? More like an indirect way insult. I guess It's only fun buying the 8800 until Crysis and other DX10 games comes out and u realize it might not be enough or slower than x2900.
 
SX2233 said:
this is call quenstioning my logic? More like an indirect way insult. I guess It's only fun buying the 8800 until Crysis and other DX10 games comes out and u realize it might not be enough or slower than x2900.
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You made your logic questionable with the very first post, I dont need to do anything more.
It is fun though :)
 
nobody_here said:
you and i may not have any DX10 games, but you can bet the developers already have DX10 games working, and they only have one piece of hardware to test it on, the G80 (there may be one or two very early ES R600's out there by now, but nothing resembling final production units), and Nvidia would obviously work closely with these developers and would obviously know if their hardware sucked at DX10 titles or not, but leave the entire DX10 thing out of it and just look at how it is handing everything else it's ass in DX9, has increased the IQ level higher than any other card, is capable of using 16xAA at the same cost as 4xAA.... and has 297 million more transistors than your x1900 but uses basically the same amount of power......yeah, those are the kind of things that come from rushed releases.... :rolleyes:

no, x1900 and 7900 are not "bad" for gaming, but there are several major titles that were basically unplayable at high resolutions and detail settings before the G80 launch....sure, you might be able to play Oblivion at 1280x1024 or whatever at decent settings with a x1900, but could you play it at 1600x1200 (or higher) with everything maxed out, like with 4xMSAA and 16xHQAF? .........no, you can't, and many people want to and now they can, so why are knocking them?

how can you make such a short "broad brush" remark with nothing at all to back it up?

what makes you say it isn't perfected so far? everyone that has one or has reviewed one seems to think they hit it spot on.......and they of course have plenty of time to make it even better by the time ATI gets around to releasing R600.....if anything, R600 will now be a rushed product to simply stay in the game...
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wow ur comparing a 8800 to a x1900 this is fair..
 
Chernobyl1 said:
Last time I checked you didnt know me either yet you called me a "little boy" lol.
You have no idea!!
It seems you want to apply different rules to yourself than everyone else.
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no, only to you
 
SX2233 said:
this is call quenstioning my logic? More like an indirect way insult. I guess It's only fun buying the 8800 until Crysis and other DX10 games comes out and u realize it might not be enough or slower than x2900.
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ATI's X2900 must be faster, or they'll be in a world of hurt, because their "recently launched product" can't keep up with a 2-3 month old card.
It's the G70 vs R520 all over again, but this time, NVIDIA has all the cards in its hands, since with the G70 chip, they lost, when comparing the offered feature set.
 
SX2233 said:
There are no DX10 games out yet, nVidia could've perfected the card better instead of rushing it out... and x1900 and 7900 aren't exactly bad for DX9 games yet.
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Rushed it ? It's been in development for about 4 years. It was rushed in no way and it's a beast in peformance and image quality. If you want the best, you must buy a 8800 GTX/GTS. But that doesn't mean that the 7900 GTX, 7950 GX2, X1900 XTX or X1950 XTX are out of the question, if you want something fast to run current games.
 
The question is not did Nvidia rushed the 8800GTX out too early but should people rush out to purchase the 8800GTX.

I'm sure people can make up their own minds on which is best for them.

Personally, I can play Oblivion and all my other games at 1920x1200 with 2AA and 16AF just fine on my Dell 2405 \ X1900XTX rig.

Moreover I really wish people would stop bringing up ATi's massive success with the 9700Pro as some kind of indicator for this Nvidia card. The reason why the 9700Pro trounced Nvidia at that time was not only releasing a kick ass card, but nvidia massively dropping the ball. There is ZERO indication that the R600 will be some kind of flop.

Moreover the specs floating around seem to suggest that the R600 will make the 8800GTX it's bitch. So please quit bringing that past era up as some sort of benchmark. Nvidia got out of the gates earlier...good for them. Meanwhile ATi will have it's second generation unified architecture, 80 nanometer, DDR4 part ready for the first DX10 title that will hit the shelves early next year.
 
|CR|Constantine said:
The question is not did Nvidia rushed the 8800GTX out too early but should people rush out to purchase the 8800GTX.

I'm sure people can make up their own minds on which is best for them.

Personally, I can play Oblivion and all my other games at 1920x1200 with 2AA and 16AF just fine on my Dell 2405 \ X1900XTX rig.

Moreover I really wish people would stop bringing up ATi's massive success with the 9700Pro as some kind of indicator for this Nvidia card. The reason why the 9700Pro trounced Nvidia at that time was not only releasing a kick ass card, but nvidia massively dropping the ball. There is ZERO indication that the R600 will be some kind of flop.

Moreover the specs floating around seem to suggest that the R600 will make the 8800GTX it's bitch.
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It better, because it won't be competing with the 8800 GTX anyway. It will be competing with the refreshed version.

What specs are you refering to anyway ? 80 nm fab, 512 bit memory interface ? That's absolutely no indication of final performance and the only thing where it surpasses the G80 (if true), is memory bandwidth. Speculation is fine. I myself, started a thread last week about the refreshed G80 - G81 - but at this point, there's simply nothing that can even be compared to G80.
 
Personally I'm not interested in the 8800 since it uses a software layer to emulate the DX10 unified shader architecture instead of actually having unified shader support in hardware; this is a little too similar to the Voodoo5 emulating DX7 hardware transform and lighting my liking.

I'll wait for a true DX10 part before I buy, whether that be from nVidia or ATi. In the meantime my dual X1900s can take care of Oblivion or anything else at 1600x1200 with decent AA/AF on.
 
SX2233 said:
wow ur comparing a 8800 to a x1900 this is fair..
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there's nothing else to compare it to, both companies highest end products always get compared, even when there's a generation leap on one side but not the other

remember A64 vs. P4?

same thing happens every cycle with video cards, the newest and fastest from one side can only be compared/contrasted to the newest and the fastest from the other side

so now, why dont you address the points i made in my post instead of taking the cheap way out, little boy, here, i will repost it here for you since you seem to have overlooked it before
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nobody_here said:
you and i may not have any DX10 games, but you can bet the developers already have DX10 games working, and they only have one piece of hardware to test it on, the G80 (there may be one or two very early ES R600's out there by now, but nothing resembling final production units), and Nvidia would obviously work closely with these developers and would obviously know if their hardware sucked at DX10 titles or not

but leave the entire DX10 thing out of it and just look at how it is handing everything else it's ass in DX9, has increased the IQ level higher than any other card, is capable of using 16xAA at the same cost as 4xAA.... and has 297 million more transistors than your x1900 but uses basically the same amount of power......yeah, those are the kind of things that come from rushed releases.... :rolleyes:

no, x1900 and 7900 are not "bad" for gaming, but there are several major titles that were basically unplayable at high resolutions and detail settings before the G80 launch....sure, you might be able to play Oblivion at 1280x1024 or whatever at decent settings with a x1900, but could you play it at 1600x1200 (or higher) with everything maxed out, like with 4xMSAA and 16xHQAF? .........no, you can't, and many people want to and now they can, so why are knocking them?

how can you make such a short "broad brush" remark with nothing at all to back it up?

what makes you say it isn't perfected so far? everyone that has one or has reviewed one seems to think they hit it spot on.......and they of course have plenty of time to make it even better by the time ATI gets around to releasing R600.....if anything, R600 will now be a rushed product to simply stay in the game...
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|CR|Constantine said:
The question is not did Nvidia rushed the 8800GTX out too early but should people rush out to purchase the 8800GTX.

I'm sure people can make up their own minds on which is best for them.

Personally, I can play Oblivion and all my other games at 1920x1200 with 2AA and 16AF just fine on my Dell 2405 \ X1900XTX rig.

Moreover I really wish people would stop bringing up ATi's massive success with the 9700Pro as some kind of indicator for this Nvidia card. The reason why the 9700Pro trounced Nvidia at that time was not only releasing a kick ass card, but nvidia massively dropping the ball. There is ZERO indication that the R600 will be some kind of flop.

Moreover the specs floating around seem to suggest that the R600 will make the 8800GTX it's bitch. So please quit bringing that past era up as some sort of benchmark. Nvidia got out of the gates earlier...good for them. Meanwhile ATi will have it's second generation unified architecture, 80 nanometer, DDR4 part ready for the first DX10 title that will hit the shelves early next year.
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what specs? actually, the only things i have seen so far that differ is the use of GDDR4 and a supposed 512bit memory bus

GDDR4 is not anything to write home about (remember when DDR2 system memory first come out, it sucked), it's still not polished, GDDR3 is mature and easy to get in large quantities, i think NV did the right thing with that choice

as far as a 512bit bus, i think it is overkill honestly, i dont think there is a game or CPU that is going to be able to puch a card so hard that a 512bit bus will provide any advantage over a 384bit bus, time will tell
 
Silus said:
It better, because it won't be competing with the 8800 GTX anyway. It will be competing with the refreshed version.
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What *Sources* do you have about this phantom NVIDIA refresh part.

Moreover, if ATi releases this card in January\February time frame you think Nvidia is going to have a refresh ready (that should be a 80na part) in 3 months :rolleyes: ..... RIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHTTTT.

What specs are you refering to anyway ? 80 nm fab, 512 bit memory interface ? That's absolutely no indication of final performance and the only thing where it surpasses the G80 (if true), is memory bandwidth. Speculation is fine. I myself, started a thread last week about the refreshed G80 - G81 - but at this point, there's simply nothing that can even be compared to G80.
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You answered your own question. Not to mention the fact that this 8800GTX still has a software layer to emulate the DX10 unified shader architecture .

On paper the R600 looks to be a better part than the 8800GTX.

Personally, I believe Nvidia knows it can not compete against the R600 and decided to release this part early in order to gather the early adopters in time for x-mas. On paper the R600 looks to be a better more advanced part. If Nvidia comes out with a competitive refresh ...great, but I would not be holding your breath on that.
 
|CR|Constantine said:
What *Sources* do you have about this phantom NVIDIA refresh part.

Moreover, if ATi releases this card in January\February time frame you think Nvidia is going to have a refresh ready (that should be a 80na part) in 3 months :rolleyes: ..... RIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHTTTT.



You answered your own question. Not to mention the fact that this 8800GTX still has a software layer to emulate the DX10 unified shader architecture .

On paper the R600 looks to be a better part than the 8800GTX.

Personally, I believe Nvidia knows it can not compete against the R600 and decided to release this part early in order to gather the early adopters in time for x-mas. On paper the R600 looks to be a better more advanced part. If Nvidia comes out with a competitive refresh ...great, but I would not be holding your breath on that.
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i believe some of those around here that know more than most would agree that Nvidia could easily already have a "refresh" card already ready to go, just waiting for the right timing to release

please cite your sources on the "software layer used to emulate DX10"

if you are referring to it not being able to run DX10 right now, you're right, drivers for DX10 are still not ready for public release, thats doesnt mean the card cant do it in hardware, actually it has nothing to do with emulation at all.......just figured maybe you were confused

actually, i am going to call shens:

it has already been commonly known that DX10 requirements are very strict compared to DX9, with DX9 there were various routes the chip manufacturers could go and still be "DX9 compliant", not so with DX10, with G80 having the DX10 spec approved by M$, there's no way they would give G80 their blessing if the card could only run DX10 in software emulation, besides, it is also public knowledge that M$ has chosen G80 to be the "DX10 model" and has approved it for all devs to use to program future DX10 titles on
 
Actually the launch timing for nVidia was perfect IMHO. Think about it... the RTM of vista will go out to VLK customers this month, as well as the MSDN version being available @ the same time. This has already been leaked and will become more common in the coming weeks. So... should an enthusist get a hold of a copy and want to use DX10 features he only has ONE card to turn to.... the 8800. Pretty good strategy on nVidias part.
 
If you have read anything on the requirments for a DX10 ready part, you would know that Microsoft has much more stringent requirments for the dx 10 qualification. IT HAS TO HAVE UNIFIED SHADERS TO BE DX10 Compliant. there is no software emulation that allows it to act like a DX10 part. it IS a dx10 part. The feature sets have to be exactly what DX10 is, in order for it to even use DX10. A wonderful way to set up the new Direct X, in my opinion, takes out the differences in the feature sets.
 
RaphaelVinceti said:
If you have read anything on the requirments for a DX10 ready part, you would know that Microsoft has much more stringent requirments for the dx 10 qualification. IT HAS TO HAVE UNIFIED SHADERS TO BE DX10 Compliant. there is no software emulation that allows it to act like a DX10 part. it IS a dx10 part. The feature sets have to be exactly what DX10 is, in order for it to even use DX10. A wonderful way to set up the new Direct X, in my opinion, takes out the differences in the feature sets.
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exactly what i was saying above, the rules have changed, GPU manufacturers can't "work around" the requirements like with DX9, either it is or it isn't DX10 compliant, Nvidia would not be able to claim "full DX10 support" on their site if it wasn't, M$ would have it pulled fast

@|CR|Constantine

so here's to you, "Mr. I will hold on to any rumor to make ATI look less crappy" man........

my bad impression of the beer commercials......ROFL
 
I don't think it was rushed just because at one point Vista was supposed to be out in Oct of 2006 so most of the summer I bet nvidia was busting chops to get the 8800s finished.

Its possible it was ready before the 7950gts and GTOs hit the market since those were made to clear out all the old chips before Christmas and the 8800s

Of course if you are really into black helicopters and foil helmets it could be argued Nvidia put the 8800s out now because they know they suck in DX10 so they want them to get as many sold as they can before any DX10 benchmarks are on the market.
 
zeekle said:
Of course if you are really into black helicopters and foil helmets it could be argued Nvidia put the 8800s out now because they know they suck in DX10 so they want them to get as many sold as they can before any DX10 benchmarks are on the market.
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that pretty much sums up this thread....yes....tinfoil hats indeed.....
:D
 
shoman24v said:
Merry Christmas Timmy, and since today is your 12th birthday we got you a new 8800GTX.
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i lol'd all over this! LOLOLOLOL




i don't think it was released too early, when is it too early to release the best product on the market? sure there is no dx10, but it's still the best card for dx9, and THAT IS the current market
 
nobody_here said:
i believe some of those around here that know more than most would agree that Nvidia could easily already have a "refresh" card already ready to go, just waiting for the right timing to release
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Once again do you have any sources that show that Nvidia will in fact have a refresh by the time the R600 released. Moreover what kind or refresh could be done within the confines of 90 nanometer, because surely if they are to get more power they would need to move to 80na. Which is my contention they cannot do within 3 months.


@|CR|Constantine

so here's to you, "Mr. I will hold on to any rumor to make ATI look less crappy" man........

my bad impression of the beer commercials......ROFL
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Hold onto rumors? you're the one claiming Nvidia will have a refresh by the time the R600 comes out. With absolutely no evidence or even hear say to put up. The R600 is not a "rumor" and will be out early next year.

Secondly, how on Earth does the 8800GTX make the ATI R600 look crappy? When on paper the R600 is a more advanced card and will be released when it can actually be used.

Moreover, I would not be so quick to brag about nvidia and their apparent DX10 goodness, when NO ONE has benchmarked the bloody thing on an actual DX10 enviroment. Especially against another competitor.

Do I believe the Nvidia 8800GTX is a great card, sure of course it is. Was it rushed, no. Do I think it will beat the R600 (It's competitor) No.

Throw all the jokes and crap you want but when the R600 is released I will be sure to look you up in the forums and gloat happily.
 
|CR|Constantine said:
What *Sources* do you have about this phantom NVIDIA refresh part.

Moreover, if ATi releases this card in January\February time frame you think Nvidia is going to have a refresh ready (that should be a 80na part) in 3 months :rolleyes: ..... RIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHTTTT.



You answered your own question. Not to mention the fact that this 8800GTX still has a software layer to emulate the DX10 unified shader architecture .

On paper the R600 looks to be a better part than the 8800GTX.

Personally, I believe Nvidia knows it can not compete against the R600 and decided to release this part early in order to gather the early adopters in time for x-mas. On paper the R600 looks to be a better more advanced part. If Nvidia comes out with a competitive refresh ...great, but I would not be holding your breath on that.
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First off, I have no sources. It's common sense, that IF R600 surpasses the G80, NVIDIA will need to counter it. Obviously, it will be a refreshed version of the G80, probably 80 nm, with 1 GB GDDR4, etc etc.

Second, where are you getting this "software layer to emulate DX10" stuff ? Have you even read the reviews about the G80 ? I suggest you do. [H] review is very thorough on the new architecture. Please give it a try.

You can believe what you want. The G80 is impressive and ATI has what I think is their greatest challenge yet. The G80 brought so much in terms of performance and image quality, that ATI needs to do what they always did - great hardware engineering - and then some, because the G80 is truly a beast and will be very hard to beat.
 
Silus said:
First off, I have no sources. It's common sense, that IF R600 surpasses the G80, NVIDIA will need to counter it. Obviously, it will be a refreshed version of the G80, probably 80 nm, with 1 GB GDDR4, etc etc.

Second, where are you getting this "software layer to emulate DX10" stuff ? Have you even read the reviews about the G80 ? I suggest you do. [H] review is very thorough on the new architecture. Please give it a try.

You can believe what you want. The G80 is impressive and ATI has what I think is their greatest challenge yet. The G80 brought so much in terms of performance and image quality, that ATI needs to do what they always did - great hardware engineering - and then some, because the G80 is truly a beast and will be very hard to beat.
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First, I was not talking to you.

Second, the person I was talking to makes a point that the R600 will be competing against a refreshed G80 not the current model. To which I called bullsh1t.

I never said the G80 was not impressive, but with ZERO evidence on how it does within a DX10 enviroment against another competitor I believe waving the OH MY GOD WE WIN TEH DX 10 GOD SPOT. is a bit pre-mature. Especially when there is NO BLOODY DX10 GAMES OUT NOW.

So if people with ZERO evidence is going to pull the G80 is the best at DX10 with no proof than I will happily submit the fact that the R600 with it's SECOND GENERATION UNIFIED ARCHITECTURE, TRUE 512BIT, 1GB DDR4, 80 NANOMETER, card will do better than the G80 in DX10.

Can I prove that, of course not because I have no hard data, and neither do you.
 
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