FYI- ATI X1950XTX and 7950GT are now for sale on NewEgg

schizo said:
All of the reviews I've seen show the X1900XT 256MB winning most tests. Where have you seen a x1900xtx losing to a 7950gt?

7950gt 512MB - $300
x1900xt 256MB- $240
x1900xt 512MB - $300
x1900xtx 512MB - $300 (at newegg right now with a $30 rebate)

I don't see too much ambiguity there. Best buy is the x1900xt 256MB followed by the x1900xtx.
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I never said he X1900 XTX does indeed lose to the 7950 GT. I said I believed that the 7950 GT might beat it in some games and that the XTX leadership, was not that big. Please read what I typed before posting.


Blauman said:
I bet money in a very short amount of time this thread will turn into a flame war for the fan boy camps. Its already headed that way and will likely continue. The OP was simply stating stock and price of these newly released cards, so stop all the damn bantering about which one is better, look at the other 1000's of threads that already dealt with all that crap.
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I agree. I'm out of this thread. Though I won't be buying either card, thanks for the info OP!
 
I assure you the only thing I'm a fan of is saving money, sorry if it appeared otherwise. Pretty interesting refresh, anyway.
 
Anyone know of the availability of waterblocks for these GPUs?


If there are none, I'm going with the passive cooled 1900XTX
 
What would be the best card for a guy like me with a shuttle xpc that only has room for a single slot video card? any idea when the x1950pro is comming out?
 
mr9865 said:
What would be the best card for a guy like me with a shuttle xpc that only has room for a single slot video card? any idea when the x1950pro is comming out?
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october 5th the X1950Pro will be out and hopefully at $199USD
 
Silus said:
No one was comparing those two cards. Read the thread and you'll realize what was being asked by Airs.
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That line is so played out. I read the thread, just selective.

Even then, the 7950GT's price makes a comparable to the X1900XTX where it seems to be more comparable to the XT. Both ways, ATi has the better value. $240 for the XTs and $300-$330 for the XTXs.
 
I just pulled the trigger on the EVGA 7950GT. This is going to be a big upgrade for me coming from a 7300GS.
 
DELL_DUDE_B120 said:
and according to that review my 7900gtx beats the x1950xtx in everything except F.E.A.R., HL2E1, and less than 100 points below the x1950's overall 3dmark06 score so im happy about that :D :p
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that's cool. I still like ATI's IQ much better.
 
spaceman said:
that's cool. I still like ATI's IQ much better.
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Is ATI's IQ dramatically better than Nivida's? I dont think so, ive owned both ATI and Nvidia's and its not that noticable, especially when your concentrating on game play. Id rather have Lifetime warranty and good customer service, so i choose Nvidia.
If i lived up north where its cold, i would have gone with ATI. The amount of heat that the X1900XTX puts out is so hot that i wouldnt even have to use my heater.
 
XLeezardx said:
Is ATI's IQ dramatically better than Nivida's? I dont think so, ive owned both ATI and Nvidia's and its not that noticable, especially when your concentrating on game play. Id rather have Lifetime warranty and good customer service, so i choose Nvidia.
If i lived up north where its cold, i would have gone with ATI. The amount of heat that the X1900XTX puts out is so hot that i wouldnt even have to use my heater.
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Haha! I basically traded my 7900GT for a X1900XT. I'm in CA, and my PC is upstairs. I remember how hot my X800XL used to get (got a Arctic Cooler for the X800XL and dropped it a few degrees). Not so sure how hot my 9800Pro got, r350 didn't have a temp sensor on it. Let's just say I'm happy it's winter! :D
 
nV is releasing a 7900GTO 256/512MB to counter the X1900XT 256 and the 512's price drop.
 
From what I've seen the 7900GTO is supposed to be clocked at same core and lower memory than 7900GTX, 650core and 1380mem. I guess a 256MB version would compete really well with the x1900xt 256MB, but with its much higher core it would actually outperform the 7950GT in most tests too. Man nvidia is segmenting the market like CRAZY, it's hard for me to keep up and I read hardware forums, the average consumer is totally SOL.
 
XLeezardx said:
Is ATI's IQ dramatically better than Nivida's?
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Ask most users who have ran both and you will find the answer to be YES. I for one see a large difference in IQ and smoothness of games. Either way the 7950GT 512Mb card gets beat or is on par with a X1900XT 256Mb card. Not too much of a release considering this is current generation (7950GT) versus old generation (X1900XT).
 
DELL_DUDE_B120 said:
and according to that review my 7900gtx beats the x1950xtx in everything except F.E.A.R., HL2E1, and less than 100 points below the x1950's overall 3dmark06 score so im happy about that :D :p
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They only benchmarked six games (counting 3dmark06), and the 1950 won 3 of them as you point out.

So LOL at "everything except".

Anyways that techreport review looks like a slight anamoly. It's unusual for the 1950 to lose many games. Maybe GRAW, that game seems to favor Nvidia in the past so I can believe that one (though the difference is almost nonexistent). Even Quake 4 often goes ATI now as their last drivers upped open gl a lot.

All in all I'm sure even rational Nvbots can agree the X1950XTX is clearly the fastest single GPU on the planet. The difference is not usually huge though.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
Ask most users who have ran both and you will find the answer to be YES. I for one see a large difference in IQ and smoothness of games. Either way the 7950GT 512Mb card gets beat or is on par with a X1900XT 256Mb card. Not too much of a release considering this is current generation (7950GT) versus old generation (X1900XT).
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Current generation 7950 GT ?
The 7950 GT is based on G71, a refresh (i.e. die shrink) of the G70 architecture which is more than a year old.
Now the X1900 XT is based on the new R580 architecture, which is 6-7 months old ? So you got things reversed.
 
Sharky974 said:
They only benchmarked six games (counting 3dmark06), and the 1950 won 3 of them as you point out.

So LOL at "everything except".

Anyways that techreport review looks like a slight anamoly. It's unusual for the 1950 to lose many games. Maybe GRAW, that game seems to favor Nvidia in the past so I can believe that one (though the difference is almost nonexistent). Even Quake 4 often goes ATI now as their last drivers upped open gl a lot.

All in all I'm sure even rational Nvbots can agree the X1950XTX is clearly the fastest single GPU on the planet. The difference is not usually huge though.
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It is indeed faster, but "clearly" ? No.
It wins in a few benchmarks. A 7900 GTX wins in a few others. It's not a tie, because the X1950 XTX does win more than it loses, but not by much.
 
Silus said:
Current generation 7950 GT ?
The 7950 GT is based on G71, a refresh (i.e. die shrink) of the G70 architecture which is more than a year old.
Now the X1900 XT is based on the new R580 architecture, which is 6-7 months old ? So you got things reversed.
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The IQ for NV will be the same. If you want to get techincal, the architecture hasnt changed since the 6800 days, IQ wise. They can even do TRAA now.

ATi has better IQ overall. Its time to admit it, and move on.

Silus said:
It is indeed faster, but "clearly" ? No.
It wins in a few benchmarks. A 7900 GTX wins in a few others. It's not a tie, because the X1950 XTX does win more than it loses, but not by much.
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Yes, clearly. Why? Because it wins more than not. And a few sites are now starting to benchmark in HQ mode for NV, which puts the IQ closer to ATi's, and drops the frames. FS, and Rage3D did this in the 7950 reviews.
 
fallguy said:
The IQ for NV will be the same. If you want to get techincal, the architecture hasnt changed since the 6800 days, IQ wise. They can even do TRAA now.

ATi has better IQ overall. Its time to admit it, and move on.
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Did you even read what was I replying to ?
He said that the 7950 GT is current generation and X1900 XT is not. Are you saying this is true ?
If you are, then you're making no sense at all, because that is wrong. It's a FACT that the G71 (7950 GT chip) is a refresh of a more than a year old architecture and the R580 (X1900 XT chip) architecture is about 6-7 months old. Which is exactly the opposite of what Sharky974 said.

I'm not going into the IQ debate again. There's loads of threads for that already.
 
Silus said:
Current generation 7950 GT ?
The 7950 GT is based on G71, a refresh (i.e. die shrink) of the G70 architecture which is more than a year old.
Now the X1900 XT is based on the new R580 architecture, which is 6-7 months old ? So you got things reversed.
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Considering the 7950GT is the newest part from NV (like this month) and the X1900XT is six months old and being replaced by the current X1950XT (like this month too), yes it is sad. It was all marketing spin by NV; they don't want their new part to be compared to the competitors new part.
 
Reading the Firingsquad 7950GT Review, the 7950 seems to be pretty much stumped by ATI's $240 X1900XT 256mb when running quality settings (how I would run them). Perfomance wise, there is no reason to buy an nvidia midrange gaming card right now.

The real difference, then, comes down to things like the ease of SLi versus the difficulty and price of Crossfire, the availability of factory overclocked (and loud) cards or silent, fanless cards right now, and the inclusion of HDCP support on every 7950GT.

If you're Joe gamer, sure, ATi wins, and you win. If you want to hook an SLi system up to an HDTV and watch your BluRay/HD-DVD movies from your computer on it, silently, well, nvidia has that down pat.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
Reading the Firingsquad 7950GT Review, the 7950 seems to be pretty much stumped by ATI's $240 X1900XT 256mb when running quality settings (how I would run them). Perfomance wise, there is no reason to buy an nvidia midrange gaming card right now.

The real difference, then, comes down to things like the ease of SLi versus the difficulty and price of Crossfire, the availability of factory overclocked (and loud) cards or silent, fanless cards right now, and the inclusion of HDCP support on every 7950GT.

If you're Joe gamer, sure, ATi wins, and you win. If you want to hook an SLi system up to an HDTV and watch your BluRay/HD-DVD movies from your computer on it, silently, well, nvidia has that down pat.
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nicely put.
 
The only reason to buy an nvidia midrange card at this moment is if you use Linux in any capacity. Beyond that, I'm just not seeing it. Even at the top end, unless you're going for two cards it doesn't make much sense.
 
People say that theres no reason to buy an Nvidia 7950GT, i disagree. I bought an Nvidia 7950 because I plan to run SLI on my Nvidia Chipset Asus.
 
I bought one because I wanted one and I have the money to do what I want lol. I had a 7800GTX 256, wanted a 512MB card, and the 7950 has HDCP, so that's a plus on both ends for me.
 
I went and bought a X1900XT 512MB Saphire from Newegg for $270 USD. The benchmarks show that it (actually the 256MB version!) is pretty even with the 7950GT so back to the red side of the fence I go. I even got a Zalman VF900 for the heck of it :)
 
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