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To all the SLi nay-sayers....
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{NG}Fidel said:
I completely agree with you that HL2s character models are the best I've ever seen. Very proportional and just overall well done. Unlike pretty much every other game where the human models just don't look real. It's kind of like comparing a low-budget racing game's car models to those of Gran Turismo. They're just perfectly done.
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IDN if somebody has already answered this (I didn't want to read through 4 pages of flames to find out), but the reason SLI died before is because AGP didn't support it (you could only have 1 AGP slot per board), and PCI was too slow for the GFX cards of that era.skratch said:
SLI is back because PCI-E can support it.
{NG}Fidel said:
Exactly, just because a game will run on less powerful stuff doesnt mean its worse. HL2 graphics are the best Ive ever seen, In all other games if the models look nice, enviroments look like crap and vice versa. In hl2, both the enviorments AND models look amazing. Plus, once HDR is implemented, it will look fantastic.
I really dont like D3 graphics, not just the models (which all look like they have downs syndrome) but also the textures (plastic) and pretty much everything else. All it has is it's lighting,
Heres a v2 sli vs a v3 tests
The same thing will happen again.People will buy 2 top of the line cards to run them in SLI and then the next gen card from there comps will outperform them.Then those people that spent over a grand wont do that again.It will slowly fade outThere is no need for 2 cards this is all marketing to get there !!!!!!s to spen all there money.At least with ATI's SLI you can use different cards.
The only setup I would run SLI would be buying 2 x700 referbrished from newegg for 280.Thats cheaper and will give you the best bang for your buck.Nvidia is making you spend at least 400 to run an SLI setup and is not worth the gains when you could just buy 1 top of the line card and save money.
The same thing will happen again.People will buy 2 top of the line cards to run them in SLI and then the next gen card from there comps will outperform them.Then those people that spent over a grand wont do that again.It will slowly fade outThere is no need for 2 cards this is all marketing to get there !!!!!!s to spen all there money.At least with ATI's SLI you can use different cards.
The only setup I would run SLI would be buying 2 x700 referbrished from newegg for 280.Thats cheaper and will give you the best bang for your buck.Nvidia is making you spend at least 400 to run an SLI setup and is not worth the gains when you could just buy 1 top of the line card and save money.
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LOL, in other words, SLI is a waste unless it's ATI and there's no reason to buy hardware today because next year there's going to be something faster.skratch said:
Now I remember why I never post in this forum, it's the fuzzy logic and circular reason...
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Morley said:
lol.. that and the Nvidia/ATI trolls. I really get sick of the same arguments. That's why I visit the games section more often now. The same people just keep repeating themselves spouting the same stupid argument. I don't know how they don't get sick of it.
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The thing is that every year another kid gets old enough to learn a couple things about video cards...they graduated from arguing about wrestling to arguing about video cards...and they think they're the first to come up with the arguments.bboynitrous said:
I see the same shit year after year after year.
skratch said:I can see the huge market for SLI and all the kids lining up at best buy to spend 1,200 bucks for 2 cards
There isn't a huge market for high end cards in retail, period. No matter how you slice it the enthusiast market will remain a niche one. Also you seem to forget that many, many adults who grew up with this burgeoning hobby are now making good livings. I could care less if some snot nosed brat cries because mommy won't buy him two video cards. What I do care about is that I can afford it
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skratch said:I can see the huge market for SLI and all the kids lining up at best buy to spend 1,200 bucks for 2 cards
hahahaha
I dont seem to understand what problem some ATI trolls have with SLI.
Think of it as this: something, i mean SOMETHING, has newly come up which gives performance increases of around 50%, and costs $400 more. Now that 50% increase means ull get the fastest gaming graphics rig on the planet, period.
Now the rich could afford it, and the average gamers cant, and the ATI trolls just wont buy them even if they are rich. So why cant they just bear with it when the rich buy them???
And some people wont even admit that SLI is useful in some situations(like Morley pointed out, proffesional graphics) and they just CANT digest the fact that SLI can be useful in ANY way.
I loved the way Morley and some others contributed to this thread, and the ATi and Nv trolls gave me a good laugh, they are funny are they not?
I also went SLI for reasons very few people probably have, though I do know some. I'm very interested in the programmability of GPU's, and projects like GPGPU. Especially now that SM 3.0 is supported, there are some really interesting things that can be done with shader code. I'm not just talking about graphics either.
By using SLI I got several things. Great gaming performance is important to me of course, but I also got two GPU's to play with. I'd love to see games and other applications in the future start to use extra GPU cycles for physics, sound, and even AI eventually. Just as with SMP at the general purpose CPU level, multiple graphics cores opens up some intriguing possibilities.
I grant that some of the reasons I outlined are extreme niche ones, but isn't that the point of most cutting edge technology? Very few high end solutions fill anything but a niche when they are first adopted.
I have no problem with using a single card solution either. After I've evaluated the next generation of options I'll decide when it's time for an upgrade.
It is funny how the same kind of crap takes place here over and over though. People (mostly children actually) who treat their favorite hardware or software like it's some kind of religion make me laugh heartily.
The most common arguement I've seen against SLI other than the bogus cost one (bogus because cost isn't an object to enthusiasts or when talking about new technology other than their ability to afford said cost) is that it's an NVidia only thing. I wonder how many SLI naysayers would gladly buy two ATI cards when ATI's version of SLI comes out? Probably quite a few, if they can afford it.
By using SLI I got several things. Great gaming performance is important to me of course, but I also got two GPU's to play with. I'd love to see games and other applications in the future start to use extra GPU cycles for physics, sound, and even AI eventually. Just as with SMP at the general purpose CPU level, multiple graphics cores opens up some intriguing possibilities.
I grant that some of the reasons I outlined are extreme niche ones, but isn't that the point of most cutting edge technology? Very few high end solutions fill anything but a niche when they are first adopted.
I have no problem with using a single card solution either. After I've evaluated the next generation of options I'll decide when it's time for an upgrade.
It is funny how the same kind of crap takes place here over and over though. People (mostly children actually) who treat their favorite hardware or software like it's some kind of religion make me laugh heartily.
The most common arguement I've seen against SLI other than the bogus cost one (bogus because cost isn't an object to enthusiasts or when talking about new technology other than their ability to afford said cost) is that it's an NVidia only thing. I wonder how many SLI naysayers would gladly buy two ATI cards when ATI's version of SLI comes out? Probably quite a few, if they can afford it.
Morley said:
No smart ass because if you want to go SLI with Nvidia you only have 2 cards to chose from.6600 and 6800
Lets see Nvidia markets SLI.They make you buy there board.Then they make you buy there cards.Then they control what cards will work with there drivers.
With ATI You can put 2 low buget cards and have something faster for 300 than any other single 300 dollar card out.
64bit_is_here said:hahahaha
I dont seem to understand what problem some ATI trolls have with SLI.
Think of it as this: something, i mean SOMETHING, has newly come up which gives performance increases of around 50%, and costs $400 more. Now that 50% increase means ull get the fastest gaming graphics rig on the planet, period.
Now the rich could afford it, and the average gamers cant, and the ATI trolls just wont buy them even if they are rich. So why cant they just bear with it when the rich buy them???
And some people wont even admit that SLI is useful in some situations(like Morley pointed out, proffesional graphics) and they just CANT digest the fact that SLI can be useful in ANY way.
I loved the way Morley and some others contributed to this thread, and the ATi and Nv trolls gave me a good laugh, they are funny are they not?
Funny on how im typing on an nvidia card
I stand the same with ATI SLI I only said its worth it if you buy 2 lower bugit cards and nvidia is NOT LETTING YOU DO THAT.skratch said:Funny on how im typing on an nvidia card
I didn't know you could type ON a video card?
Maybe this is why you think SLI is useless --- it's WAY too expensive to type on 2 $400 video cards right?
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LOL, and yet you make the argument that the lower priced cards (6600GT) are not worth getting because with their combined price you could get a 6800GT.skratch said:Funny on how im typing on an nvidia card
You'd make the same argument about the 6200's if they were SLI enabled.
"Truly you have a dizzying intellect."
CypHill said:I didn't know you could type ON a video card?
Maybe this is why you think SLI is useless --- it's WAY too expensive to type on 2 $400 video cards right?
No Iv spent alot of money on my card.Go ahead and buy 2 6800 gt and enjoy playing doom3 at 60fps.
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Fixt.skratch said:
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That is the DUMBEST thing I've heard in a while.
EVERY company that comes out with new innovative products charge a lot for it! It's called Price Scimming.
They can do this because NO-ONE else has it - it's a new (in this case relatively new) concept - so they can enjoy the few enthusiasts that will pay a premium for it.
Are you upset with ATI because their newest vid card is $600? They make a KILLING on these things.. go cry to them for a change.
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Have you not read any of my posts? Furthermore, I have an ATI card at home. I have no desire to switch, as it plays everthing I want.skratch said:
I work for a systems integrator, our revenue depends on our ability to deliver a quality, reliable product to our customers. We don't look at ATI vs. NVIDIA the way you do...we have no loyalties. None. It's whoever delivers the best product at the best price that our customers go for.
I'm not blinded by anything here.
Dr. X said:
He's refering to the possiblity of ATi's supposed solution to SLI. Granted nothing is solid yet but it does sound cool if it goes through.
Since this is the days of true competion (not like 3Dfx's own the graphic card industry) I'm curious first to see what ATI does and how it fairs.
I dont' think SLI is a waste by any means for nvidia, just waiting and seeing.
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skratch said:Funny on how im typing on an nvidia card
what about the rich? they want the fastest gaming rig on the planet. May i politely ask you which is the fastest gaming rig you can buy? A single ATI whatever card, or a SLI 6800U?
and why is it only worth it only for lower budget cards? what if i get a 6800GT now, and after a year get a second GT for around 180-200? that would give a 50-70% increase in performance and would be an easy upgrade path, no? and SLI mobos are $200~, only about $70 more than the non-SLI mobos.Would it still not be worth it?
or if i see that single card solutions are faster than SLI 6800GT after a year(unlikely), i would just sell of the 6800GT and get a next gen nv or ati card, and i mite even go for 2 next gen nv cards in SLI. I would keep the options open.
skratch said:
Morley already pointed out the advantages of a SLI setup in professional environments, and SLI IS beneficial for people who want to enjoy Doom3/many other games at 1920x1440 with aa/af.
And no, a single 6800 would NOT allow you to do that. You say its not worth it (i know you will again say that
) and im saying this for the last time: the rich DO NOT CARE about the price, they just want the best possible experience.you have been proved wrong many times in this thread, and your fuzzy logic has dazzled everyone, it honestly is amazing HOW you can manage to put soo much crap in one thread..
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Just my 2 cents...
I don't think SLI is a complete waste. I think that price/performance wise it is extravagant, but if I had a big wad to blow on it I'm not going to be dishonest - I would buy it. In the same vein if I had a lot of money I'd dump this FX53 and get a 55. Extravagant, yes, but if I could afford it I would do it. Hey just being honest here.
That said, my system (see sig) plays all the current games I enjoy (CS:S/UT2K4/HL2/D3) at the resolution and settings I require. I am one of those that doesn't believe 4xAA and 16xAF make a gigantic difference in image quality, so typically I just run my games at 2xAA/8xAF at most. Just my opinion there, YMMV.
If you absolutely must run 1600x1200 or higher with 4xAA/16xAF in all of your games, including some of the ones that are just now coming out, then you will need twin 6800U in SLI to maintain high frame rates. Throw in HDR and try running high resolutions... You'll definitely need 6800U SLI.
Regarding the SC:CT screenshots I think the HDR enabled ones do look better, but it's mainly just a difference of brightness and an effect that to me also is not a must have right now in order to be happy. HDR also drains frame rate in the demo from what I've heard.
I don't think SLI is a complete waste. I think that price/performance wise it is extravagant, but if I had a big wad to blow on it I'm not going to be dishonest - I would buy it. In the same vein if I had a lot of money I'd dump this FX53 and get a 55. Extravagant, yes, but if I could afford it I would do it. Hey just being honest here.
That said, my system (see sig) plays all the current games I enjoy (CS:S/UT2K4/HL2/D3) at the resolution and settings I require. I am one of those that doesn't believe 4xAA and 16xAF make a gigantic difference in image quality, so typically I just run my games at 2xAA/8xAF at most. Just my opinion there, YMMV.
If you absolutely must run 1600x1200 or higher with 4xAA/16xAF in all of your games, including some of the ones that are just now coming out, then you will need twin 6800U in SLI to maintain high frame rates. Throw in HDR and try running high resolutions... You'll definitely need 6800U SLI.
Regarding the SC:CT screenshots I think the HDR enabled ones do look better, but it's mainly just a difference of brightness and an effect that to me also is not a must have right now in order to be happy. HDR also drains frame rate in the demo from what I've heard.
Good grief, you'd think someone is holding consumers at gunpoint forcing them to buy SLI. I'm not currently running an SLI rig, but my setup is SLI capable. That was one of the major selling points for me in so far as I was looking to build a brand new system to replace my NForce2 setup and I figured, "What the heck, what do I have to lose?" To this day, I still can't think of anything I had to lose (given that money hasn't been too much of an issue for me since getting my new job) buying the A8N-SLI, A64 3500+ 90nm, 1GB (2x512)Corsair DDR400 PE's, BFG 6800GT OC, and my Antec Lanboy case (still using my old Antec 430 True Power until my PCP&C PSU comes in).
As someone buying for the most part a new system, why wouldn't I go with the NForce4 SLI setup given the mere possibility of 1. SLI working well and 2. SLI being a cost-effective upgrade solution in the future? Should I have chosen another matched solution performance-wise without the potential upgrade path SLI offers me? Furthermore, should I have done so just to satisfy the biased whimsy of people who gripe about hardware they wouldn't even consider looking into themselves as seems to be the case with a couple posters in this thread? I say no.
As someone buying for the most part a new system, why wouldn't I go with the NForce4 SLI setup given the mere possibility of 1. SLI working well and 2. SLI being a cost-effective upgrade solution in the future? Should I have chosen another matched solution performance-wise without the potential upgrade path SLI offers me? Furthermore, should I have done so just to satisfy the biased whimsy of people who gripe about hardware they wouldn't even consider looking into themselves as seems to be the case with a couple posters in this thread? I say no.
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Dr. X said:
Fully agreed.
that was completely ridiculous. now that its proved that NV SLI is worth it to some people he now comes up with ATi's SLI(MR as i should call is
), of which no solid details are known yet. Diseaseboy
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For a hobbiest- SLI is very fun to play with. If you look at computers as just something to play games with then SLI may not be appealing. To people that like to game plus tinker with computer hardware in general SLI is a very appealing. Just ask someone who flies remote control airplanes. Why should they spend $500.00 on a plane that will fly no different than a $50.00 plane? Whether you agree with the cost/benefit of SLI or not, you cannot deny the appeal of SLI to a hobbiest/hardware guru.
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