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Looking for the present king

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Which CPU is the king for gaming? I am not looking for something top notch. A good mid range CPU that is good for gaming to be considered a king.
 
arestavo said:
Others have said the same - what budget?

The current king is the ~$450 9800X3D. If you have a microcenter nearby, you can get a $600 9800X3D + motherboard + 32GB 6000C30 RAM combo and that is a really good deal.
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When it comes to budget, I don't know Maybe I can get more suggestion on the budget.

Way back in 2008 when I was looking for a gaming rig, Intel C2D 8400 was the king and its price was less than $200. Though Quad Cores were on horizon, E8400 had dual core was considered the king in this forum, it fit my budget that time and I enjoyed gaming at 1050P with ATI Redeon 4850 with it, until that rig could no longer play modern games smoothly. Now I want to play those games smoothly at 2K resolution
 
arestavo said:
Others have said the same - what budget?

The current king is the ~$450 9800X3D. If you have a microcenter nearby, you can get a $600 9800X3D + motherboard + 32GB 6000C30 RAM combo and that is a really good deal.
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When it comes to budget, I don't know Maybe I can get more suggestion on the budget.

Way back in 2008 when I was looking for a gaming rig, Intel C2D 8400 was the king and its price was less than $200. Though Quad Cores were on horizon, E8400 had dual core was considered the king in this forum, it fit my budget that time and I enjoyed gaming at 1050P with ATI Redeon 4850 with it, until that rig could no longer play modern games smoothly. Now I want to play those games smoothly at 2K resolution
arestavo said:
Others have said the same - what budget?

The current king is the ~$450 9800X3D. If you have a microcenter nearby, you can get a $600 9800X3D + motherboard + 32GB 6000C30 RAM combo and that is a really good deal.
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Which overclocking motherboard?
 
Any B650 or B850 (mid range AM5 boards) should have no issue with the 9800X3D and a bit of an overclock. The low end A series would likely be fairly locked down for overclocking features.

Though, it may be wise to stay away from Asrock for now (increased 9800X3D deaths vs other manufacturers). And ASUS is still doing bullshit with their RMA department, so I wouldn't recommend them either. MSI is likely the best option at the moment.

I did see a a little performance increase going from the stock 5200 clocks to a manual 5425 overclock, but that was with a very CPU limited game. Even at stock clocks with 6000C30 RAM, a 9800X3D is a an absolute beast.

Edit - 6000C30 RAM is the sweet spot for performance and price with AM5. The memory controller can run at 1:1 at 6000, but not every CPU's IMC can run at 6200 or 6400 at 1:1, and will only be stable at 2:1 which is often a performance loss depending on the game / benchmark (and why one would need ~7600MT/s RAM to always beat 6000MT/s RAM running at 1:1).
 
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9800X3D is the king for gaming. 9950X3D tends to be slightly faster but just a little and the additional expense outweighs the small speed increase unless you just want the best. 9900X3D often gets beat by the 9800X3D since it uses 6-core CCDs and a lot of games prefer 8.

Intel has some decent options for lower budgets, but then we have to ask what's your budget?
 
You mean "price to performance King" , if i read correctly:
  • AMD Ryzen 5 9600X
  • MSI B850 GAMING PLUS WIFI
  • 32GB DDR5-6000 CL30 Kingston FURY Beast
  • Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 12GB
  • 1TB NVMe WD BLACK SN7100
 
Another vote for a 9800x3d/B650 or B850 motherboard and DDR5 6000 cl30 ram. It’s about the best you are going to get now for the money.

Edit- ironic this is in the Intel sub forum. Intel is not even a consideration at this point for gaming.
 
When talking about a budget king, it could be the current rebate on the site you buy it at the time you buy it.

Right now the 9600x is $205 on newegg, it has an argument to be more per $ than a $470 9800x3d, maybe someday the 265K (with all the post launch updates seem good per $) or 14600k could be at a good deal, specially if some motherboard are well priced at the moment.

It is quite competitive and moving, not sure there a clear budget gaming CPU king, specially with the previous generation (5700x3d, 7800x3d, 12600k/14600k, etc...) that can be quite good right now, messing things up if they are available on a deal.

And maybe it is age (and the purchasing power that come with...) or just because it has been a while than the best money can buy are not crazy expensive (5800x3d, 7800x3d and now 9800x3d) it is not something we tend to follow that much....
 
LukeTbk said:
When talking about a budget king, it could be the current rebate on the site you buy it at the time you buy it.

Right now the 9600x is $205 on newegg, it has an argument to be more per $ than a $470 9800x3d, maybe someday the 265K (with all the post launch updates seem good per $) or 14600k could be at a good deal, specially if some motherboard are well priced at the moment.

It is quite competitive and moving, not sure there a clear budget gaming CPU king, specially with the previous generation (5700x3d, 7800x3d, 12600k/14600k, etc...) that can be quite good right now, messing things up if they are available on a deal.

And maybe it is age (and the purchasing power that come with...) or just because it has been a while than the best money can buy are not crazy expensive (5800x3d, 7800x3d and now 9800x3d) it is not something we tend to follow that much....
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I will be playing 3-12 year old games, 9600X is a good CPU. But 5070 will cost me more than a kidney. Can you suggest me a couple of generation old card that can play these games smoothly at 1440P?
 
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maverick786us said:
I will be playing 3-12 year old games, 9600X is a good CPU. But 5070 will cost me more than a kidney. Can you suggest me a couple of generation old card that can play these games smoothly at 1440P?
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What is your kidney worth? Or your budget? Something like a 3080ti would be alright. Possibly a 6800xt if you can find one. Anything newer than those with 12gb preferably 16GB of ram will do alright. Don’t look at the low dangling fruit with lots of vram like the 4060/4060ti, those suck and the ram doesn’t make up for it.
 
Dreamerbydesign said:
What is your kidney worth? Or your budget? Something like a 3080ti would be alright. Possibly a 6800xt if you can find one. Anything newer than those with 12gb preferably 16GB of ram will do alright. Don’t look at the low dangling fruit with lots of vram like the 4060/4060ti, those suck and the ram doesn’t make up for it.
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$1500
 
I built a system at $1700 (pre tax) recently with these specs. No reason why the OP couldn’t do $1500 with slightly lower rung parts that would probably garner similar gaming performance. I also made my system as a workstation so needed to upgrade a few parts.

Cpu amd 9700x
GPU asus 5070 ti
Mobo asrock B650m
SSD WD sn7100 2tb
RAM Tcreate 2x32gb cl34
PSU Corsair sf750 2024
Cooler phantom spirit evo
Case jonsbo z20

If going with used then could probably get to around $1000 with still very good 1440p framerates with minimal upscaling

CPU AMD 7600 or 9600 $150-175
GPU 3080 or 3080 ti 12gb, or a used 5070 $4-500
Mobo b650 $80-100
SSD any good gen 4 1tb $50-60
RAM 2x16gb ddr6000 cl36 or below $60-75
PSU 750w gold $50-75
Cooler and good Thermalright $34
Case anything decent $50

Would avoid 10gb graphics cards as most modern games at decently high settings with cap out VRAM at 12gb or so.
 
I am happy with the price of AMD Ryzen 9600X but GTX 5070 TI is bit on higher side for me. But as of now I am targeting 3-12 year old games starting with Crysis, warhead, Crysis 2 and 3, followed by bad company, Skyrim, Assassin Creed, GTA5 and more games that I have yet to explore.
It will take me an year or more till I am done with these games and I can upgrade CPU and GPU to support latest games. Is Gigabyte B650 future proof to upgrade CPU and GPU?
I want initial low cost which I can upgrade in 9 months or an year
 
Or to save more money I was thinking of buying 9070XT GPU and then upgrade to something higher in an year or more.
AMD Ryzen, 9070XT and Gygabyte B850, are good enough to play old games like Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2 and 3 at 4K resolution?
 
maverick786us said:
I am happy with the price of AMD Ryzen 9600X but GTX 5070 TI is bit on higher side for me. But as of now I am targeting 3-12 year old games starting with Crysis, warhead, Crysis 2 and 3, followed by bad company, Skyrim, Assassin Creed, GTA5 and more games that I have yet to explore.
It will take me an year or more till I am done with these games and I can upgrade CPU and GPU to support latest games. Is Gigabyte B650 future proof to upgrade CPU and GPU?
I want initial low cost which I can upgrade in 9 months or an year
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I'd try to get a B850 or B650e board if the price difference is small. That gets you PCI-e 5 support. I wouldn't pay a lot more for PCI-e 5 though. It doesn't make that much difference unless your card is low on vram. There are no really "future proof" mainboards right now. We'll probably only get one more generation on AM5. After that DDR6 will take over and AMD will replace the AM5 socket to support it. That said the last upgrade on AM5 should be a good one. They'll have 12 core CCDs.

9600X is good for now, especially with a bit older games. Some newer stuff prefers 8 cores, but runs fine on 6. Old games just want 4 cores tops and clockspeed. So it's the way to go for cheap now and upgrade in a couple of years.

9600X + 9070XT will handle the latest games as well, so you won't have to wait if you have the itch to play one.
 
zandor said:
I'd try to get a B850 or B650e board if the price difference is small. That gets you PCI-e 5 support. I wouldn't pay a lot more for PCI-e 5 though. It doesn't make that much difference unless your card is low on vram. There are no really "future proof" mainboards right now. We'll probably only get one more generation on AM5. After that DDR6 will take over and AMD will replace the AM5 socket to support it. That said the last upgrade on AM5 should be a good one. They'll have 12 core CCDs.

9600X is good for now, especially with a bit older games. Some newer stuff prefers 8 cores, but runs fine on 6. Old games just want 4 cores tops and clockspeed. So it's the way to go for cheap now and upgrade in a couple of years.

9600X + 9070XT will handle the latest games as well, so you won't have to wait if you have the itch to play one.
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Yeah that's what my plan is. Right now I have limited budget I cannot afford a 9800x3D, what I can afford is a 9600X with 9070XT or GTX 5070Ti if the price difference between these GPU isn't substantial.

I will play games that are 3-12 years at 4K resolution, starting with Crysis series and I won't target latest games.

But in an year I will have some money upgrade the CPU (future AM5 King) and GPU within the same motherboard to make latest games playable smoothly. So I hope B850 / 650 is future proof to upgrade the next years AM5 CPU king with next generation GPU.
 
I saw the recommended TDP requirement for 5070 Ti to be 750W. So do I need a 1000W GPU for the whole setup?

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pendragon1 said:
the recommended is for the whole system.
that gpu is 300w tdp, youre confusing it with psu wattage...
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Thank you, I realized that the price gap between 9070XT and 5070Ti is narrowing. I have 3 months to gather money to buy this rig and the rumors of
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What do you think upcoming 5070 Super will cope up against 9070XT and 5070Ti?
 
maverick786us said:
Or to save more money I was thinking of buying 9070XT GPU and then upgrade to something higher in an year or more.
AMD Ryzen, 9070XT and Gygabyte B850, are good enough to play old games like Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2 and 3 at 4K resolution?
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9070xt is measurably lower cost then a 5070ti where you are buying?
 
funkydmunky said:
9070xt is measurably lower cost then a 5070ti where you are buying?
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A friend of mine who is into hardware business, said that the price difference is 15% right now, but he said that by the time I gather money to buy the system (which can take up to 3 months), the price will narrow down further because of super series. In theory his point looks right, but I will decide at that moment.

He also said that if can wait that much, it won't be a bad idea to see how 5070 Super is, which is significantly cheaper than 9070 and 5070 Ti.
For me I am running out of patience. Either I wait for 3 months or take money from my old man.
 
funkydmunky said:
9070xt is measurably lower cost then a 5070ti where you are buying?
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In the U.S., there are a few 5070 TI at $750, now. And a few others around $780.
9070 XT, a couple are at or close to $700. Most are around $750. Its a tight ballgame at that performance level.
maverick786us said:
A friend of mine who is into hardware business, said that the price difference is 15% right now, but he said that by the time I gather money to buy the system (which can take up to 3 months), the price will narrow down further because of super series. In theory his point looks right, but I will decide at that moment.

He also said that if can wait that much, it won't be a bad idea to see how 5070 Super is, which is significantly cheaper than 9070 and 5070 Ti.
For me I am running out of patience. Either I wait for 3 months or take money from my old man.
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I'll be surprised if we see the Super 50 series before Christmas. But.....that IS what the rumors say. With the 40 series, they let the inventory sell through over the end of year holidays. And then released the Super 40 series in January. They did similar with the 40 super series, before the 50 series released. 4070 TI Supers in particular, were VERY sold out.

5070 Super is gonna be at least $600. And I'm sure many AIB models will be $650 - $700.

If you gotta have Nvidia: A $600 5070 Super would be an alright buy. But....its also a few months away. I'd either grab a $750 5070 TI now (and see if you can get any sort of cashback deal or anything like that at all). Get a $550 5070, which I think is a solid buy. (there really are only a very small number of games which can go over 12GB VRAM. And I don't expect that to change much, for 3-ish years. Many games are still well under 12GB, even maxed at 4K).

Or try out a 9070 non-XT for $650-$680.
 
I have a bad news. It's going beyond my budget.This seems to be the only option I can afford with my budget.

  • AMD Ryzen 5 9600X
  • MSI B850 GAMING PLUS WIFI
  • 32GB DDR5-6000 G-Skill Ripsaw
  • AMD 9060 xt with 16gb ram (instead of 9070 or 5070 Ti)
  • 1TB NVMe WD BLACK SN7100
I will game at 2K instead of 4K. Within an year I will upgrade the GPU and display yo 4K. What is your suggestion?
 
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