AMD To Unveil Next Major Products At Gamescom 2023, Radeon RX 7800 XT & 7700 XT Expected

Marees said:
Based on leaked benchmarks by AMD, the 7700xt is the better card compared to 4060 ti (even after taking in RT)

https://videocardz.com/newz/officia...nd-synthetic-benchmark-leaked-ahead-of-launch
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Good!
I want AMD to take a stand in the middle ground, the status quo on price/performance is very aggravating, to say the least.

How much is is who's fault at this stage is an academic argument at best, because things are fucked across the board, and applying blame is meaningless, we just need a fix and I really hope the 7700 and 7800 are a step in the right direction.
 
  • Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB vs. RTX 4070 12GB
    • RASTER: +6.9%
    • RT: -11.6%
    • AVG: +0.5%
  • Radeon RX 7700 XT 12G vs. RTX 4060 Ti 16GB
    • RASTER: +15.9%
    • RT: -5.4%
    • AVG: +8.5%

I imagine it depend on the games suite, setting, res, cpu, etc... but the 4070 was really close to the 6800xt, so it is a bit of in raster we can expect 5-10% above the 6800xt ?

7800xt msrp it much lower than the 6800xt and his there to replace it and the current old card price points, so not necessarily an issue in terms of product.

But in term of what it means has an assessment of RDNA 3 chiplet performance strategy, the 7800xt boost clock is 200mhz higher, memory 20% higher, would it run any faster with the same memory bandwith ?

The 4070 is a 294mm defect die (missed 4070ti/4080 mobile die, themselve missed L4) that using only 75% of the cores, 192 bit bus, 200 watt
The 7800xt has 346mm (a perfect 200mm+4x36.6), 256 bit bus, 260watt to cool and power

The gap (and price to make them) should be large.

Anyway it is priced in consequence, if it is 6-8% faster than a $520 6800xt, way less power/size, AV1, etc... and in big volume that a least a card that move the price performance in the good direction by 10%, those sub $500 6800xt deal will not exist for long
 
LukeTbk said:
But in term of what it means has an assessment of RDNA 3 chiplet performance strategy, the 7800xt boost clock is 200mhz higher, memory 20% higher, would it run any faster with the same memory bandwith ?
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As per MLID sources, AMD probably had navi 32 silicon sitting in warehouses since December last year

& it will be time for RDNA 4 in another year & hopefully big RDNA 5 in 2 years.

So this is it for Navi 32 & Navi 33.
Maybe a navi 31 refresh in future, if AMD feels the need for it, but there is no other RDNA 3 stuff as of now from AMD
 
LukeTbk said:
PS5 pro will be more some RDNA 3.5 ?
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I don't believe half the Pro rumors out there so who knows, the last leak said it was going to be a 72 CU RDNA 3 APU paired with an 8 core 16 thread CPU doing 4.2 GHz based on TSMC 4... with 20GB GDDR6X. All clocking in at $499 US

So who knows at this stage what is true.

Because that would be almost 2x the CPU and more than 2x the GPU performance, that is no longer a PS5 Pro, that might as well be called the PS6 because the two aren't comparable if that leak is remotely accurate.
 
Lakados said:
I don't believe half the Pro rumors out there so who knows, the last leak said it was going to be a 72 CU RDNA 3 APU paired with an 8 core 16 thread CPU doing 4.2 GHz based on TSMC 4... with 20GB GDDR6X. All clocking in at $499 US

So who knows at this stage what is true.

Because that would be almost 2x the CPU and more than 2x the GPU performance, that is no longer a PS5 Pro, that might as well be called the PS6 because the two aren't comparable if that leak is remotely accurate.
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That's smaller than the jump from XBOX ONE to ONE X in most regards. That had only a small CPU bump but a 4x increase to GPU and 50% more vram with MUCH more bandwidth.
 
OKC Yeakey Trentadue said:
That's smaller than the jump from XBOX ONE to ONE X in most regards. That had only a small CPU bump but a 4x increase to GPU and 50% more vram with MUCH more bandwidth.
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Maybe but that would essentially be a 7900 GRE slapped alongside a 7800x3d at $499.
Which if that is the case the F-Yeah that is a serious console, but at the same time WTF is with their desktop pricing then.
 
LukeTbk said:
  • Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB vs. RTX 4070 12GB
    • RASTER: +6.9%
    • RT: -11.6%
    • AVG: +0.5%
  • Radeon RX 7700 XT 12G vs. RTX 4060 Ti 16GB
    • RASTER: +15.9%
    • RT: -5.4%
    • AVG: +8.5%
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Will wait until tomorrow, I assume the major reviewers will have benchmarks up. But it seems like the RX 7800 XT will be faster in raster than the 4070, slower in ray tracing, although have inferior FSR compared to DLSS. Will be interesting to see power and heat. But at $100 cheaper and with 16GB VRAM vs 12GB, the 4070 will be tough to argue for.

4060ti 8/16GB were sad jokes, and if the 4070 drops to $500 or so the 4060ti 16GB will have to be at least $400 to even worth be looking at. But then I assume the 7700 XT will blow it out of the water at the same price point.
 
Flogger23m said:
But at $100 cheaper and with 16GB VRAM vs 12GB, the 4070 will be tough to argue for.
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That really close to the current 6800xt vs 4070 situations too, better marketing push, better volume (so actual $100 cheaper all around and around the world), will be more pressure than what left of the 6800xt stocks but will see how much it push the 4070, I doubt it will push it to $500.

$50-$70 like the 4060TI 16GB probably
 
LukeTbk said:
That really close to the current 6800xt vs 4070 situations too, better marketing push, better volume (so actual $100 cheaper all around and around the world), will be more pressure than what left of the 6800xt stocks but will see how much it push the 4070, I doubt it will push it to $500.

$50-$70 like the 4060TI 16GB probably
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Plus everyone’s favorite game Starfield.
 
Lakados said:
Maybe but that would essentially be a 7900 GRE slapped alongside a 7800x3d at $499.
Which if that is the case the F-Yeah that is a serious console, but at the same time WTF is with their desktop pricing then.
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Rumors I saw were more like 7800xt (60 cu) and a 7700x cpu with only 16 GB shared memory.

20 GB 320 bit gddr6x seems necessary for a real improvement in higher settings/resolution.

The Series X already has 52 CUs but they are clocked much lower.
 
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Not sure about why the 800xt brand naming, too strong for the 700xt naming too (+47%), 800 non xt would have been a low but still +20% performance gen on gen with a much lower msrp at launch affair, RDNA 2 felt cleaner SKU wise, maybe this is purely an impression because of just nvidia-amd pretty much followed each exactly naming scheme wise.

Wonder if there something with the cpu used or something, HUB has the 6800xt beating the 7800xt in plague requiem at 4k but not TPU, techpowerup used a 13900k, HUB often goes with the 7800x3d.

At VSync 60fps gaming the 7800xt is quite more efficient 96w vs 147w for the 6800xt, giving credence in that metric to the 50% more efficiant AMD claim made, (RDNA 3 used 33% less power than RDNA 2, but RDNA 2 used 50% more power than rdna 3 so it always depends of the direction you pick with that type of phrasing).

This over the current $500 6800xt with starfield offer is not nothing, power look better, no more spike of power usage (580w vers 318w on the tpu setup), a little bit better RT, AV1- entry level display port 2, the big AIB models seem silents on load), still the 6800xt at the same price need to dry up to make this look good, there a reason AMD marketing never show an AMD product in their comparison chart for that release.
 
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Looks like the 7700xt beats or catches up to the 4060ti in RT.

Taking a look at the overall averages for Ray Tracing and it’s clear to see that the 35% uplift from RDNA2 to RDNA 3 has made a big difference as the 7700 XT now comes in 10% faster than the RTX 4060 Ti, which considering NVIDIA have held such a monopoly on Ray Tracing for so long, it’s definitely becoming more of a level playing field, though it’s very hard to ignore the more powerful 7800 XT which draws closer to the even more expensive RTX 4070 and sits above 60 FPS in the overall average.

https://www.eteknix.com/amd-radeon-rx-7700-xt-12gb-review-xfx-qick-319/16/?amp=1
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My takeaway is that both the 7700xt & 4060 ti 16gb need to be priced between $330 & $400.
Hopefully its just a matter of old stock clearing out & the prices will settle down to $400 or below for both cards.
 
Marees said:
Looks like the 7700xt beats or catches up to the 4060ti in RT.

Taking a look at the overall averages for Ray Tracing and it’s clear to see that the 35% uplift from RDNA2 to RDNA 3 has made a big difference as the 7700 XT now comes in 10% faster than the RTX 4060 Ti, which considering NVIDIA have held such a monopoly on Ray Tracing for so long, it’s definitely becoming more of a level playing field, though it’s very hard to ignore the more powerful 7800 XT which draws closer to the even more expensive RTX 4070 and sits above 60 FPS in the overall average.

https://www.eteknix.com/amd-radeon-rx-7700-xt-12gb-review-xfx-qick-319/16/?amp=1
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My takeaway is that both the 7700xt & 4060 ti 16gb need to be priced between $330 & $400.
Hopefully its just a matter of old stock clearing out & the prices will settle down to $400 or below for both cards.
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$400 seems fair eventually, but anything below that seems like a bad idea for AMD and the consumer.

Lower price isn't always better for the consumer. You sort of cheapen the product and screw over anyone trying to sell an older products. If the 7700xt is $330, good luck selling a used 6700xt for much over $200.

You also add a bunch of e-waste if nobody buys the last gen parts. It's better for everyone if people buy lightly used 6800 series cards over a new 7700xt - at least for the next few months.
 
Marees said:
Looks like the 7700xt beats or catches up to the 4060ti in RT.

Taking a look at the overall averages for Ray Tracing and it’s clear to see that the 35% uplift from RDNA2 to RDNA 3 has made a big difference as the 7700 XT now comes in 10% faster than the RTX 4060 Ti, which considering NVIDIA have held such a monopoly on Ray Tracing for so long, it’s definitely becoming more of a level playing field, though it’s very hard to ignore the more powerful 7800 XT which draws closer to the even more expensive RTX 4070 and sits above 60 FPS in the overall average.

https://www.eteknix.com/amd-radeon-rx-7700-xt-12gb-review-xfx-qick-319/16/?amp=1
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My takeaway is that both the 7700xt & 4060 ti 16gb need to be priced between $330 & $400.
Hopefully its just a matter of old stock clearing out & the prices will settle down to $400 or below for both cards.
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This is a rather erroneous assessment of RDNA 3 RT improvements over RDNA 2. Both the 7700xt and 7800xt are closest to the 6800xt when it comes to raw gpu performance. The 7800xt is able to separate itself from the 7700xt mostly because of the extra bandwidth (and is why thr 7800xt beats the 7900 gre in a couple scenarios).

Case in point - HUB saw around 5% improvement in rasterization with the 7800xt over the 6800xt. The gains made with RT were not much bigger.
 
I’m happier with the 7800xt results than I thought I would be. I would like to see it $50-$75 cheaper.

Sure it’s priced well against Nvidia, really well. But Nvidia’s pricing is jacked to begin with so it’s not exactly a benchmark I encourage.
 
I was going to ask , I am a bit lost what the 35% mean here exactly.

with RT on in that scenario gpu went from
6700xt: 75->36 fps (48% of the frame rate)
7700xt: 101->52 (51% of the frame rate, quite similar)
7800xt: 119->63 (53% of the frame rate)

4060ti: 79->45 (57% of the frame rate)

Isn't the 7700xt higher than the 4060TI with RT on mostly if not only because it is 28% faster without RT in that game ? It is a bit hard to discern.

That said the higher the FPS, the bigger the impact of the same amount of ms added for RT I imagine, my brain would have an hard time estimating this.
But here the Rt on drop seem almost the same has rdna 2 on many title at similar frate rate:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-7700-xt-pulse/34.html
Cyberpunk 6800xt: 23.7fps -68%, 7700xt: 22.8FPS -68%, 7800xt-6900xt same drop has well.
hogwart, 7700xt: 30.5 FPS -53%, 6800: 32 fps -51%



I wonder if the pricing is not already a big aggressive and that $400 would be really low.

Just a guess, with the 7700xt being so close with rumours of good volume for both SKUs.

Just 200mm but only perfect die can make 7800xt (which could explain the large volume of 7700xt, error rate could be high)
 
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Lakados said:
I’m happier with the 7800xt results than I thought I would be. I would like to see it $50-$75 cheaper.

Sure it’s priced well against Nvidia, really well. But Nvidia’s pricing is jacked to begin with so it’s not exactly a benchmark I encourage.
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I feel this will help move the last of the 6800/6700 stock. Not because the 7800XT is terrible... it just shows those are safe to buy at a good deal price. I think the last few months the final clear out might have slowed with people thinking what if the 7800/7700 are 20% faster for the same $.

Once that stock has cleared though. I wouldn't be shocked to see AMD reduce the 7700 pricing a bit anyway. The 7800 might stay where it is, as you say it compares well vs Nvidia... and I doubt they will be dropping the 4070 pricing.
 
OKC Yeakey Trentadue said:
This is a rather erroneous assessment of RDNA 3 RT improvements over RDNA 2. Both the 7700xt and 7800xt are closest to the 6800xt when it comes to raw gpu performance. The 7800xt is able to separate itself from the 7700xt mostly because of the extra bandwidth (and is why thr 7800xt beats the 7900 gre in a couple scenarios).

Case in point - HUB saw around 5% improvement in rasterization with the 7800xt over the 6800xt. The gains made with RT were not much bigger.
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The generational uplift is masked by AMDs stupid choice to call these XTs.
These cards are really the 7800 and 7700.
I guess AMD isn't planning to release anything else from this gen so just slapped the XT on the end.

If you compare the 7800 with the 6800 non XT you see there is a generational uplift. The 6800XT has the advantage of having a few extra CUs even if they are last gen, still having more cores is more cores.
 
ChadD said:
The generational uplift is masked by AMDs stupid choice to call these XTs.
These cards are really the 7800 and 7700.
I guess AMD isn't planning to release anything else from this gen so just slapped the XT on the end.

If you compare the 7800 with the 6800 non XT you see there is a generational uplift. The 6800XT has the advantage of having a few extra CUs even if they are last gen, still having more cores is more cores.
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Why? If anything, they should bring be name the 7800 16 gB and the 7800 GRE 12 GB. Both have CU counts closer to the 6800.

The actual point is, their is no real RT performance gains over RDNA 2 when rasterization performance comparisons are normalized.
 
ChadD said:
If you compare the 7800 with the 6800 non XT you see there is a generational uplift.
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Still a modest one

at 1440p at launch

6700xt: +31.5% of an 5700xt
7700xt is already +26.6% an 6700xt, I imagine +3x% of an 6700
7800 would be +20.5% of an 6800

That more 3060 over 2060, than 3070 over 2070super. The 6800 was a more expensive card at launch too.
 
NightReaver said:
Lol. Man I love my 6800xt.

Every release of this generation from both sides just reinforces that.
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I snagged a dirt cheap 6750xt for a 1080p rig and it's done what has been asked of it and that's better than I can say of most things lately.
 
7800 XT looks to be an excellent card. Typically faster than the RTX 4070 in raster, in some games by 10 frame rates at 2560x1440. RTX 4070 is better in some games but it seems like the more demanding ones like Cyberpunk and The Last of Us favor the 7800 XT, by a notable amount of frame rates. It also has 16GB of VRAM.

In ray tracing the RTX 4070 does better, it uses a less power, and of course DLSS is superior to FSR. But not all games support DLSS and I assume over the next year or so new versions of FSR upscaling will come out, and FSR 3 will be out shortly.

But the 7800 XT is $100 less. 7800 XT looks to be the best value GPU this generation. 7700 XT is okay, but for $50 more you may as well get the 7800 XT.

Although there are not many models of $500 7800 XTs on newegg currently, there seems to be an okay Gigabyte and AS Rock option. I'm sure ASUS will come out with a nice $500 option. The situation is not too different from the 4070, with most MSRP models having underwhelming coolers but at least there seems to be a few options.
 
I'm pleasantly... Well, not surprised, but at least not disappointed- with the 7800XT.
Overall pretty decent for what it is.

Cherry-picking a single result here... If you play Cyberpunk and don't care about RT, the 7800XT looks absolutely fantastic compared to NV's current offerings

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Maybe not typical for the card to look this good, but in that one high-profile game, a $500 card being within spitting distance of 3090 and less than 10% behind 4070Ti is a good look. Even in the situations where 7800XT is closer to 4070, NV's high pricing makes the Radeon look quite nice.

Could it be... A current-gen GPU that's actually a decent value at launch price?
 
NattyKathy said:
I'm pleasantly... Well, not surprised, but at least not disappointed- with the 7800XT.
Overall pretty decent for what it is.

Cherry-picking a single result here... If you play Cyberpunk and don't care about RT, the 7800XT looks absolutely fantastic compared to NV's current offerings

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Maybe not typical for the card to look this good, but in that one high-profile game, a $500 card being within spitting distance of 3090 and less than 10% behind 4070Ti is a good look. Even in the situations where 7800XT is closer to 4070, NV's high pricing makes the Radeon look quite nice.

Could it be... A current-gen GPU that's actually a decent value at launch price?
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AMD does really well in this game. Although Cyberpunk is actually worth using ray tracing for. It is one of the games where visually it does add a lot to the experience.
 
the 7800XT seems like a great card as long as you don't care about ray-tracing...outside of Starfield isn't pretty much every big AAA game for the foreseeable future going to feature RT support?
 
NattyKathy said:
Could it be... A current-gen GPU that's actually a decent value at launch price?
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Will probably end up better in every way to the 6800xt that the market priced ot to liquidate so it is hard to argue otherwise:

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It achieves 4060 price/performance despite being 2 tiers above performance wise and at a throwing distance of a 7600, usually you need to pay more has you go, the 7700xt pricing help make it look better.

6800, 6800xt on a good deal are the only one that can make look like not good value and they will stop to exist soon I imagine and not that they would mine that you do not buy an AMD because you are buying a different AMD that need to go.

The talk about it that should be a $400 card, I am not sure if it is possible for a perfect die, that amount of die, 256 bit bus, etc... to make sense, but it would be completely out of the current market bracket, beating huge rebate A770 price-perf.....
 
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The 4060(ti) and 4070 have just been terrible since launch. 4070 owners use a lot of cope to justify getting one, but no, it's a bad showing for this generation.
 
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