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As AMD grows volume and marketshare with Ryzen, instead of borging an enterprise solution down for workstation / HEDT use, perhaps they can introduce a separate line as Intel does for lower-end single-socket workstation and server use.
As much as I'd like to see the Threadripper model continue, this was the same thought I had. Just seems to make sense if 16 core Ryzen on AM4 is really going to happen.
I think they can drop the Threadripper all together and just bring it in with the EPYC P series chips, they are single socket only already.I personally think we'll see "Ryzen Threadripper" die off and be replaced with "Epyc Threadripper" in it's place.
I think they can drop the Threadripper all together and just bring it in with the EPYC P series chips, they are single socket only already.
Enter the premium price of EPYC PX ????But not unlocked.
Same here, I was thinking about threadripper for a while, and I'm not comfortable with switching to a mainstream platform.Just when I was about to jump ship from Intel for HEDT hardware.
Wonder if AMD can do an X580 board with more PCIE lanes on the chipset and 8DIMM slots to serve the HEDT market. Of course, the lack of quad channel will still be a problem, but the lower cost may be worth the tradeoff.
I can only imagine the headaches trying to run 4 DIMMs per channel since 2 DIMMs per channel can be a pain.
I read that article earlier. The article does make some good points. However, I still think there is room for a workstation oriented product even if AMD doesn't put any priority on one. Between the Ryzen 3000 series having 16 cores and increased Epyc production, it makes sense to refocus on those markets. HEDT, and Threadripper are niche products at best.
I'm currently running 64GB (4x16GB) of DDR4 3200 @ 3200 in my recently built rig for VM work.
Setting XMP/DOCP alone wasn't fully stable (wouldn't boot properly after a few power on/off cycles) but either backing off the speed to 3133 or 3066 OR adding .01v to the memory seems to have done the trick
With a year's time to improve the IMC I'm guessing it won't be impossible to do 4 DIMMs per channel at that speed, but would take quite a bit of work.
It sounds like they have something they plan to release at some point, just hope it's the same socket when they do.I don't think people have to be afraid for zen2 7nm as it will come to TR, just much later (should be there by the time amd does zen2+). If they would release the zen2 TR with 32, and or 64 cores it would cannibalize their current stock of zen+ TR; be patient, and wait.
Oh brother. How long did you work on that one? Sigh..With TR, anything over 16 cores is now performing work on CPU cores that do not have a local memory controller. This can still work for a variety of applications, but these are rarely consumer or even professional applications, so volume and cost are not in TR's favor.
Further, while the platform with all its PCIe lanes and memory bandwidth is certainly enticing, the real-world uses for such are even less common than uses for all of the cores. Generally speaking, consumer desktop platforms have more than enough bandwidth to keep their CPUs fed, and if more is needed for say storage, then either a discrete storage solution would be more ideal, or an actual Epyc solution that utilizes the enterprise platform would be both a better fit for the workload and less expensive in terms of supply chain for AMD to provide.
As AMD grows volume and marketshare with Ryzen, instead of borging an enterprise solution down for workstation / HEDT use, perhaps they can introduce a separate line as Intel does for lower-end single-socket workstation and server use.
The fact that no one has done 3+ dimms/channel with conventional ram since ram moved from SDR to DDR1 says probably impossible. The faster you run the data bus the harder it is to keep clean electrical signals as you connect more devices to it - and every ram chip on a conventional* dimm is connected to the bus. It's not a problem that's getting any easier to solve; haven't seen anything recently either way but a few years ago there was a fair amount of speculation that DDR5 would end up being single dimm/channel oinly.
* Servers with huge amounts of memory do it by using a buffer chip on each dimm, so that only 1 chip is connected to the memory bus not 9 or 18. Consumer ram doesn't do this because the buffer increases costs and adds a significant amount of latency.
Intel's Nehalem (1st gen Core i-series) was triple-channel on DDR3 unless I am completely misunderstanding you...
the latest leak detailed over at Wccftech claims that a 12-core 3rd Gen Ryzen CPU is quicker than the first gen 12-core Threadripper 1920X.
So how is that different then quad channel? Or dual for that matter?Three channels, but still only 2 slots/dimms per channel on plain-ddr3-using x58
edit to add/clarify- each memory channel has it's own path between the dimms and the controller so there's no limit to the number of channels from a signal integrity perspective; but multiple dimms on the same channel can interfere with each other because they're wired together which limits the number of dimms per channel
So how is that different then quad channel? Or dual for that matter?
I definitely agree with this to an extent. I'm sure Threadripper sales are a small slice of the CPU sales pie for AMD, like single digit percentages. R5 and R7 is where it's at for AMD. Being that Threadripper was supposedly an internal enthusiast pursuit that AMD never really planned from the beginning...is TR weak sales enough to legitimize a TR2, while pulling chips away from Epyc and R5/R7/R9?And why isn't Forbes mentioning the main reason? Weak sales
So how is that different then quad channel? Or dual for that matter?
Oh brother. How long did you work on that one? Sigh..
I would just give them a series of EPYC’s so it’s not only a physical upgrade but a branding one too.If I were AMD, given the Goodwill threadripper has garnered over its lifetime, I would rebrand the top end Ryzen Processors as threadrippers.
If I were AMD, given the Goodwill threadripper has garnered over its lifetime, I would rebrand the top end Ryzen Processors as threadrippers.
so, any official news or just an opinion piece?