Petition for the Resignation of FCC Chairman Ajit Varadaraj Pai

westrock2000 said:
I buy a 5 port gigabit router. All 5 ports attempt to transfer data at full speed. Do all 5 ports achieve gigabit speed? Should this router be allowed to be sold as a "gigabit" router if they do not?
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westrock2000 said:
Who gave them the right to sue?
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Oh the good old straw man argument technique... :rolleyes:

If I am paying an ISP for a service - in this case unfiltered service to the internet - I should receive it.


Hint you're not actually arguing effectively with the straw man Westrock. It's easily countered by the arguer staying on point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
 
westrock2000 said:
I buy a 5 port gigabit router. All 5 ports attempt to transfer data at full speed. Do all 5 ports achieve gigabit speed? Should this router be allowed to be sold as a "gigabit" router if they do not?
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Routers can achieve 5gb max throughout on all ports if it's routed to the proper port through the switch. The joys of switch routing

:D
 
Z3r0k3wl said:
Ajit Pai reminds me of this guy.

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Holy shit! Don't 'em any ideas, he may be put in charge of reigning in big pharma
 
travisty said:
Oh the good old straw man argument technique... :rolleyes:
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I guess. I'm just asking if an ISP is suing a government because the government is making something, is it probably because the government previously gave them some type of protection which would be the basis of the lawsuit.

Maybe that's not correct though, maybe they are suing because they are ISP's and they just have the authority to do so.

When I'm not collecting checks from big oil for not thinking we will all be dead in 100 years, I am moon light for big telecom to squash the resistance. You should see how much they pay me to do this.
 
westrock2000 said:
I buy a 5 port gigabit router. All 5 ports attempt to transfer data at full speed. Do all 5 ports achieve gigabit speed? Should this router be allowed to be sold as a "gigabit" router if they do not?
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Is it blocking or non-blocking? We have actual specifications for that.
 
hescominsoon said:
Becasue it is BS...NN is all about cost shifting from the youtube, facebook and others their network transport costs to the end users not themselves.
https://www.etc-md.com/archives/4896
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I'm already paying for a certain amount of bandwidth a month at a certain speed so this argument holds no water.

The ISPs just want to get $$$ from the content providers AND the users. They want to get paid twice for the same bandwidth.
 
TordanGow said:
Is it blocking or non-blocking? We have actual specifications for that.
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I appreciate the technical prowess, as it would be over my head. I chose 5 ports specifically so that one port is the odd man out. Even number of ports and they would just pair up, which of course is not typical, but would easily disprove any implied assertion I was trying to make. So the 5th port has to talk to one of the other ports already busy. Gigabit is still retained? I'm asking.

EDIT: I'm talking about $10 router or switch here. I'm not talking about $5000 Cisco XPSqi-900000-HIDOLLA.
 
So the petition is hopeless and written desperate tone, but I'll sign it anyways.

I don't believe Mr. Pai is looking out for the interests of the American people and yes he should be removed.

For whatever my "signature"is worth.

This petition is probably going to work out just like the comments on the FCC page. If it's even noticed it will be ignored.
 
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westrock2000 said:
I appreciate the technical prowess, as it would be over my head. I chose 5 ports specifically so that one port is the odd man out. Even number of ports and they would just pair up, which of course is not typical, but would easily disprove any implied assertion I was trying to make. So the 5th port has to talk to one of the other ports already busy. Gigabit is still retained? I'm asking.

EDIT: I'm talking about $10 router or switch here. I'm not talking about $5000 Cisco XPSqi-900000-HIDOLLA.
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Typically a gigabit port rarely if ever exceeds 900 mbps due to technical limitations of the quality of wire interference and timing issues. As well as overhead for packet headers even on jumbo packets.

But yes you can if you attached a NAS to the USB 3 port

On cheap consumer grade stuff you'll likely overwhelm the chipset however and make it overheat
 
westrock2000 said:
I appreciate the technical prowess, as it would be over my head. I chose 5 ports specifically so that one port is the odd man out. Even number of ports and they would just pair up, which of course is not typical, but would easily disprove any implied assertion I was trying to make. So the 5th port has to talk to one of the other ports already busy. Gigabit is still retained? I'm asking.

EDIT: I'm talking about $10 router or switch here. I'm not talking about $5000 Cisco XPSqi-900000-HIDOLLA.
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This is usally in the specs. IE:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...re=non_blocking_switch-_-33-122-609-_-Product

$24.99

  • 8 auto-sensing Gigabit Ethernet ports
  • Fanless, silent desktop form factor
  • Plug-n-Play connectivity
  • Energy efficient
  • Auto-negotiation
  • Non-blocking switching architecture
  • Auto-MDI/MDIX
 
Unless every person signing is ponying up $100 to counter the massive "consulting" job Pai is guaranteed once he leaves office, good luck.

Pai has zero reasons to give a crap about consumer rights. He's not an elected official so he can pretty much do whatever he wants since he's protected by layers of people that at best don't care or understand what he's doing, or at worst likely have huge financial stakes in their private finances in what he's doing.

Is "Net Neutrality" perfect? Of course not. No law is. Is it FAR better than the alternative? It sure as shit is. This would be different if Pai was actually talking about amending or discussed how he's going to implement other consumer protections to replace what's being repealed...but that's not what's happening. This is a straight money grab.

Add this to the removal of the ability to file class action suits when your bank steals your money or fails to protect any of your data and we're looking at a record loss of consumer rights in the last year. But hey, the stock market keeps rolling, so who cares, right?
 
travisty said:
In fact it will allow companies to compete on how much they can rape their consumers.
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Like they've been doing all these decades before NN was put in as the Obama administration was on it's way out the door?
 
1_rick said:
Like they've been doing all these decades before NN was put in as the Obama administration was on it's way out the door?
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Which is what regulations and consumer protections are all about, protecting the consumer. NN is a proactive measure to prevent the telecom monopolies from raping the consumers more. The fcc is limited though and Congress is needed for larger regulations
 
Pusher of Buttons said:
Unless every person signing is ponying up $100 to counter the massive "consulting" job Pai is guaranteed once he leaves office, good luck.

Pai has zero reasons to give a crap about consumer rights. He's not an elected official so he can pretty much do whatever he wants since he's protected by layers of people that at best don't care or understand what he's doing, or at worst likely have huge financial stakes in their private finances in what he's doing.

Is "Net Neutrality" perfect? Of course not. No law is. Is it FAR better than the alternative? It sure as shit is. This would be different if Pai was actually talking about amending or discussed how he's going to implement other consumer protections to replace what's being repealed...but that's not what's happening. This is a straight money grab.

Add this to the removal of the ability to file class action suits when your bank steals your money or fails to protect any of your data and we're looking at a record loss of consumer rights in the last year. But hey, the stock market keeps rolling, so who cares, right?
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I don't see this ending well in the near future. All we need is a plague or famine to really mess things up and get this to all crumble to bits.
 
Organize and take to the streets. Americans can take all of this madness and much, much more back if they really want to but it takes sacrifice. If it's too inconvenient to go out and fight for it, then there's no justification to complain.
 
westrock2000 said:
I appreciate the technical prowess, as it would be over my head. I chose 5 ports specifically so that one port is the odd man out. Even number of ports and they would just pair up, which of course is not typical, but would easily disprove any implied assertion I was trying to make. So the 5th port has to talk to one of the other ports already busy. Gigabit is still retained? I'm asking.
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Why is there an odd port out? It is perfectly reasonable and also happens in reality that an odd port router achieves full bandwidth on all ports at the same time. Every port sends and receives .25 Gbps from every other port, 2 Gbps full duplex on every port.
 
Zion Halcyon said:
Good Lord why are people so damn gullible and not inclined to do actually do their research, instead opting for others to tell them what to think...
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i agree with your sentiment here at the very end. read this shit, come back, then say that stuff again. if you need help, i speak fluent legalese...just give me a holler

anyway this petition isnt going to do much, but it will be good for a laugh when the white house is forced to acknowledge it. the only thing thats going to stop ajit is a giant lawsuit or congressional pressure, im afraid
 
The repeal of (the yet to be implemented) NN regulation means that all future electronic petitions will be a "pay to play"...
 
Signed the petition. I have a gut feeling behind the scenes kickbacks are in the works for Ajit if he is able to repeal Net Neutrality. I'm only stating an opinion. My words shouldn't be taken as fact.
 
I'm digging into this, more and more. The more I dig, the more I find that there is a dearth of facts.

I do know that there is a lot of hyberbole from the FUD crowd. That always raises a flag: why spread FUD if the facts support your argument?
 
Love the thought, but show me ONE of these "Sign my petition" pieces of bullshit that EVER get acted upon...
 
So after its done it will show that only 100.000 (+/- 10.000) people out 325,398,017 wants his resignation.
that's not even 1 %
so now it looks like 99% is happy with Ajit Varadaraj Pai and that is the REAL reason for the petition.
and why they are useless (for there intended purpose)
(how ever they are great for keeping track of would be/could be trouble makers)

The current population of the United States of America is 325,398,017 as of Monday, November 27, 2017
 
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Megaslug said:
Let's see, he's a lawyer, strike 1. He used to work for Verizon. Strike 2. He was recommended by Mitch McConnell - strike 3. Yes, he needs to go. This guy is either clueless, or still being paid by Verizon. I'll go with the latter, because he seems to have a strong position on the ridiculous fees charged to prison inmates because of exclusive contracts with carriers yet he thinks the idea of net neutrality is a bad idea? Bet the NCTA loves this guy....
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I don't think that it's legal for him to be paid by Verizon *right now* but he's surely getting prepared for a lucrative position when he comes back.
 
Oh it most definitely is not legal for him to be getting paid by Verizon right now. I'm sure if he does the bidding of lobby groups like NCTA they will welcome him with open arms when he leaves government service, even if it's not voluntary. There may be no money changing hands right now - very few are THAT blatant, but you know there are "understandings". Then it gets murky when someone who know someone who works with one side does something for someone who knows someone who is a member of the other guy's family.
 
I signed the petition but I don't expect it to do much. No responses to 100K+ petitions have been made since Trump took office and the site itself is "under review".
 
Z3r0k3wl said:
Ajit Pai reminds me of this guy.

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There is a witch hunt on Ajit Pain with an outraged mob barely knowing anything about which they're protesting, shreeking for nonexistent victims and benefiting the big players? Could be...
 
Loose Nut said:
So after its done it will show that only 100.000 (+/- 10.000) people out 325,398,017 wants his resignation.
that's not even 1 %
so now it looks like 99% is happy with Ajit Varadaraj Pai and that is the REAL reason for the petition.
and why they are useless (for there intended purpose)
(how ever they are great for keeping track of would be/could be trouble makers)

The current population of the United States of America is 325,398,017 as of Monday, November 27, 2017
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Well that's a non normalized statistic. For example in a public survey where they called in, the majority of people wanted Donald Trump's to release his tax returns. Yet if you look at the white house petition website only 1.5 million requested it, and that is the highest rated petition. It has to be normalized based on average participation.

But the more we spam it the better it looks. Like I said I HATE the wording, but it's better than nothing.

And if 30,000 people sign per day on average that is 900,000 which isn't too shabby a turnout.

As it's a non partisan issue (both the left and right want to keep net neutrality) the white house is more likely to react.
 
Meeho said:
There is a witch hunt on Ajit Pain with an outraged mob barely knowing anything about which they're protesting, shreeking for nonexistent victims and benefiting the big players? Could be...
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Okay quiz me if I'm so uninformed.
 
travisty said:
Can't even defend your assertions. Truly an idol of what Trump does to the naive and stupid.

You have a mind. USE IT!

Question what Trump says. Question what you're thinking. Open your eyes and see the world as it is; not how it's told to you.

Trump is a swamp maker, not a swamp cleaner. He is only out for himself, not for you or me. This is what happens when corporations assert more control over government.
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You realize Ajit is an Obama appointment. The entire board who makes this decisions are Obama appointments, Ajit just mouth pieces their collective decision, it's not a kingship, . Trump having a (R) next to his named picked one of the (R)'s to be chairmen. The FCC's actions would be the same no matter which of the 5 he picked.

Original FCC regulation was an attempt to normalize FCC authority over the Internet. Getting NN dismantled while giving Congress a pass is a Planned case of social engineering everyone has just about fallen for. NN should have been and is a Congressional Issue but everyone is falling for the 'Evil FCC' idea like they have authority. This was planned from the beginning. Congress stealthily abdicates responsiblity and corporations get what they want. Mission Accomplished.
 
Megalith said:
The White House is hosting a petition calling for Ajit Pai to step down as FCC Chairman. It requires 100,000 signatures by December 23, 2017 to get a response, and so far, over 97,000 have signed.

We the people have identified FCC Chairman Ajit Varadaraj Pai as a threat to our freedoms due to his call to repeal Net Neutrality. We passionately call upon the white house for the immediate removal of FCC Chairman Ajit Varadaraj Pai from office for his actions.
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It requires a 100,000 signatures to do what?

Before it will be passed to someone for their consideration?

I mean, I'm thinking that it doesn't just take 100,000 signatures in a nation of 325 Million to fire an appointed Agency Chief. so .........what.
 
I say we punch each one of the people who voted to remove net neutrality. Nothing like physical violence to make them change their mind.
 
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