Matx/Mitx motherboards for threadripper?

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Hey guys I have a bitfenix case and I wanted to know if there are any plans from and to make matx or mitx motherboards that are optimized for threadripper or ryzen epyc. I would LOVE to have threadripper n and vega powering my little guy! Oh yea what's the difference between epyc and threadripper? I just wanna super powerful computer and play games at ultra good like settings lol
 
KazeoHin said:
On an enthusiast forum, one should never ask "why": one should only ask "how".
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We should also provide the more interesting answer.

Get the 7700k and you will have the best gaming performance.

Having said that the r5 1600 is another good option and if you couple that with the asrock mitx mobo you should be good for not only fitting in your case but more awesome designs that we have in the sff forum

Threadripper is designed for more professional multithreaded workloads that aren't available in games yet.
 
It is unlikely that we will see any ITX motherboards for Threadripper; the socket itself is gigantic, so there wouldn't really be room for RAM & PCI-E slots. MicroATX should be doable, and you can get some fairly small cases for that form factor. As for the difference between Epyc & Threadripper, Epyc chips are aimed at the server market, and pack up to 32 cores (4 x 8 core dies MCMed together) attached to octo-channel memory, while Threadripper is aimed at workstations and high end enthusiast, and will have up to 16 cores (2 x 8 cores) and quad-channel RAM. They do use the same physical socket, so in theory AMD could later on launch a 24 or 32 core chip that works in the Threadripper boards.

Now, for purely gaming purposes even Threadripper doesn't make much sense; going with say an R5 1600x or Core i7 7700k will probably get you the same or better performance in most games. Of course, if you want to be silly about things, you could play around with PCI-E passthrough, put in 4 high video cards, assign each VM its own 4 cores, and have yourself a LAN party in a box machine.
 
Ok said he wanted a super powerful pc AND a gaming rig. Not sure why this is so hard to grasp. That said, I doubt there will be any itx for TR. Even Ryzen has only 1 crappy itx board at this point. Hell, it was hard enough to find a good FM2+ MB which should have been almost exclusively ITX. Just doesn't seem to be AMDs thing unfortunately.

ASrock already has an ITX in the works for Intel 2066...
 
I don't understand how you are going to fit 8 sticks of ram, cpu cooler, and a double wide video card on a mITX mobo...
 
Even Ryzen has only 1 crappy itx board at this point.
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Wait for the APUs. There will be itx boards when the APUs are released. I also am not sure given the large size of the socket if itx will work for TR.
 
I doubt you will see TR iTX board or even APUs. Raven Ridge, Ryzen mobile will come on an AM4 format in 2018 for current boards. Ryzen mobile will be ball grid array and land grid array in 2017 according to the road map
 
KarsusTG said:
I don't understand how you are going to fit 8 sticks of ram, cpu cooler, and a double wide video card on a mITX mobo...
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You don't.

All ITX boards have PCI-E lane on the bottom edge of the board, with the GPU sticking out. off the edge of the board.

The X299 Micro-ATX Asrock had on display in Computex had I believe 4 SO-Dimm sticks and 1 PCI-E lane, plus riser cards for M.2's and its Wifi Card.

It looks to be at the extreme end of engineering.

Threadripper OTOH requires an even bigger socket (the socket looks like it's going to be in the ball park of a credit card size), with the cooler in place, you probably literally wouldn't have room for anything else even in the vertical direction, let alone horizontal ones.
 
I know people game but you gotta look at what you do. If the moment you turn on computer and game for hours and then stop and thats all you turn on your computer for sure get a 7700k. But seeing how more and more games are getting optimized for multi core and looks like AMD is out there getting patches out I wouldn't recommend going with 4 cores. Are you planning on keeping the system for 3-4 years? Or you are the type that upgrades really quick? If so then yea go for 7700k, but if you are putting hard earned money in to it and can't budget frequent upgrades then go with more cores. I think by next year you are looking at AMD really out their with developers optimizing games. Heck they even got patches for current games out in a few months after Ryzen launch. That is pretty impressive and shows they are pretty serious about supporting developers in house.
 
For me 4 core cpu's are dead and too limited to buy another. Minimum even for a laptop would be 6 cores. Intel's next mainstream I7's with 6 cores sounds perfect for a mini-itx system.
 
I wouldnt put any money on T.Ripper having ITX, maybe MATX, but the socket is very large and the amount of features would have to literally be nuetered making the chip a moot point to stuff on such a tiny board. However matx is much larger than itx thus making it a real possibility.

What I am seeing is eATX being the normal standard board size. Most of the Intel HEDT boards have always been eATX.
 
Shintai said:
The socket is much smaller. 2066 pins vs 4094 pins or so.
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Maybe less pins but the physical size is not all that different, especially not with how they went about doing it with So-dimms and the re-advent of riser slots/cards. it's entirely possible and likely.
 
Vercinaigh said:
Maybe less pins but the physical size is not all that different, especially not with how they went about doing it with So-dimms and the re-advent of riser slots/cards. it's entirely possible and likely.
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The difference is quite massive.

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TR has basically twice the pins as 2011/2066 (same footprint) which is has only managed itx with either downgrading to dual channel or switching to so-dimms and leaving a lot of pci-e lanes on the table. So far only asrock has really attempted this several years after the base socket released, they are getting better with each version though. (2011v3 2 dimm consumer, 2011v3 quad so-dimm bare features server, now a 2066 quad sodimm consumer with more lanes used for features)

TR on an uATX is going to be rough, and still likely involve leaving a good chunk of the 64 lanes on the table, or cramming x16 slots that require single-lane waterblocks to use high-TDP cards.
TR itx is probably not possible without extreme pcb engineering that result in an unprofitable design.
 
I very much doubt it will happen, what is the point of have 64 PCie lanes if you can only get 1 x16 slot on the mobo? With the size of the TR socket even SO-Dimms will not leave a lot of space on the mobo for anything else
 
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Vercinaigh said:
Really it isn't, not considering the space they save going the routes they have for x299 mATX and mITX. Would not be that difficult to do if there is a market for it, that simple. If they want it done, it will be done.
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Micro ATX MAYBE, mini-ITX, not a chance.

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That's the 2066 ITX board Asrock showed during Computex, notice the size of the socket relative to the board.

Now imagine trying to fit the TR socket (Shintai's Images provides the relative sizes. even if the socket was mounted vertically (IE having the socket levers oriented top to bottom, rather than left to right in the image), it still would hit the So DIMMs, at the very least 1 of those pairs have to go, limiting the RAM of the board to a meager 32GB.

Not to mention the amount of sacrifices you have to make to other periperals, like either the Wifi or the M.2 card, or even both.

You might be able to fit a TR socket onto an ITX board, but the concessions you'd have to make would make it completely pointless to do so, might as well use a high end Ryzen ITX in that case.
 
chenw said:
Micro ATX MAYBE, mini-ITX, not a chance.

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That's the 2066 ITX board Asrock showed during Computex, notice the size of the socket relative to the board.

Now imagine trying to fit the TR socket (Shintai's Images provides the relative sizes. even if the socket was mounted vertically (IE having the socket levers oriented top to bottom, rather than left to right in the image), it still would hit the So DIMMs, at the very least 1 of those pairs have to go, limiting the RAM of the board to a meager 32GB.

Not to mention the amount of sacrifices you have to make to other periperals, like either the Wifi or the M.2 card, or even both.

You might be able to fit a TR socket onto an ITX board, but the concessions you'd have to make would make it completely pointless to do so, might as well use a high end Ryzen ITX in that case.
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Stickin to my guns, if they see a market for it, we'll get it, nothing you've shown here tels me it's impossible, just might carry a premium. Even on that board you've pictured I see room for it given what i've seen them do in the past.
 
I hope they have no PCIE pass through issues (thought I heard Ryzen could only do one at a time, could be wrong), that setup could possible replace my dual Xeon proxmox/zfs system for the family.
 
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