Cosplayer with No Game Experience Was Lead Facial Animator for ME: Andromeda?

Derangel said:
Whenever you work for a company what you do both while working and while in public reflects on both yourself and your employer. If you are a massive racist douchebag that reflects poorly on any company willing to hire and stand behind you. Especially if you are in a leadership position. Considering his statements on Twitter I rather doubt he'd be a great person to work with if you don't happen to follow his beliefs or happen to be white.
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That is my issue as a whole with our society....not Bioware as a specific company. Can we say what we think or should we not say what we think? We are at the point that we want to destroy people's livelihoods for things they said in private with zero indication of ever being heard. I don't like this. If the guy is a shithead to work with then fire him for being a shithead to work with. I can enjoy someone's work regardless of what I think about them as a person.

But that's my personal opinion. And it's not a popular one.
 
Rizen said:
Uh so what does the game having poor animation quality have to do with race, equality, or politics like has been suggested in this thread? o_O
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Other reasons people said they wouldn't buy the game.
Other topics Bioware has publically reacted to regarding the release of the game.
 
There go "those" guys again. Making the rest of us who have legitimate issues with stuff like this. Look like a bunch of neckbeards because of shit like looking for personal information and hate brigading people.

They just cause places like Kotaku to perpetuate their GG narrative and about how terrible men are and blah blah blah. Thanks "guys!"
 
MacLeod said:
Because gamers are the angriest, most bitter bunch of people on earth. I mean, I honestly can't remember the last game that didn't get tons of hate the last few years. That's the thing nowadays. Find something to hate, find someone to blame for that thing you hate the harass the ever luvin' shit out of them on social media.
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I actually blame the Anita Sarkeesians and Zoe Quinns of the world for the fake "Oh, woe is me" turd-wave feminism (thanks Razorfist) hijacking bullshit.
 
westrock2000 said:
That is my issue as a whole with our society....not Bioware as a specific company. Can we say what we think or should we not say what we think? We are at the point that we want to destroy people's livelihoods for things they said in private with zero indication of ever being heard. I don't like this. If the guy is a shithead to work with then fire him for being a shithead to work with. I can enjoy someone's work regardless of what I think about them as a person.

But that's my personal opinion. And it's not a popular one.
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A PUBLIC social media account is not private. People need to realize that what they put on social media is open to ANYONE that wants to read it unless they make their pages private. What you say on social media is no different then saying it out in the street or in front of an audience. There is zero, zilch, absolutely no expectation of privacy on public social media pages. This is a case of him being a complete idiot and posting racist triads on a public social media account. No different than if he went around yelling that to anyone that passed by him on the street.
 
Can we put this on top of the Manveer "FFS, do something with that T-Zone" Heir shitpile?
 
viscountalpha said:
I'm with you kyle. I heard about the 3rd ending and just felt justified in not caring. ME: Andromeda just looks like a meme generator now.
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I'm still mad at how much of a bitchfest people had over the mass effect 3 ending, it was still a great game. Entitled little brats.


That said, I was amused by some of the comparisons the jerkoff gamers have been making.

https://zippy.gfycat.com/ComposedSaltyAllosaurus.webm

https://zippy.gfycat.com/ShockedChillyHawaiianmonkseal.webm
 
tybert7 said:
I'm still mad at how much of a bitchfest people had over the mass effect 3 ending, it was still a great game. Entitled little brats.


That said, I was amused by some of the comparisons the jerkoff gamers have been making.

https://zippy.gfycat.com/ComposedSaltyAllosaurus.webm

https://zippy.gfycat.com/ShockedChillyHawaiianmonkseal.webm
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M3's ending was bad on top of a game with absolutely abysmal writing that only managed to succeed with a handful of plot threads and little else. Great multiplayer though.
 
MrSteel74 said:
I honestly don't get the hate on the animations granted they aren't great but I played the early access demo on Origin and not once did I think these animations are so terrible they ruin the game and I need to launch personal attacks on the supposed lead animator.
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they had like 800 people working on the game, and *that* was the best they could come up with?
 
I just cancelled my preorder. I enjoyed the first three games... minus the ending of the third. But seeing more and more of these animations coming out and my order being changed from physical disc to digital download only, it made my decision easy. And seeing a person who design the game for diversity spewing the same hate shit he is supposedly against, I can sleep well at night not supporting this bs.
 
Term-X said:
I just cancelled my preorder. I enjoyed the first three games... minus the ending of the third. But seeing more and more of these animations coming out and my order being changed from physical disc to digital download only, it made my decision easy. And seeing a person who design the game for diversity spewing the same hate shit he is supposedly against, I can sleep well at night not supporting this bs.
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Much like Iron Fist, I'll reserve judgment for myself after it launches. I can't afford to be that dismissive of triple A rpgs released on the pc not called the witcher. They are so god damned rare.
 
ahh
all this hate

I'm sure I'm gonna play andromeda
full price?
yeah I don't think so this time around

but I'm sure EA is gonna fix this in ME andromeda 3 :rolleyes:

btw I just love how Southpark can picture trolling so spot on

you've got those people hating on that woman
some come to her defence
that pisses off others and it spirals out bigger and bigger

man people have time to waste on sh*t that doesn't matter


westrock2000 said:
That is my issue as a whole with our society....not Bioware as a specific company. Can we say what we think or should we not say what we think? We are at the point that we want to destroy people's livelihoods for things they said in private with zero indication of ever being heard. I don't like this. If the guy is a shithead to work with then fire him for being a shithead to work with. I can enjoy someone's work regardless of what I think about them as a person.

But that's my personal opinion. And it's not a popular one.
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in a way I get what you're saying

but posting anything on the internet is not private

I dare him to stand up to his belief and go out in actual public and voice his opinion

and then one does so, maybe leave all the ties to the company you work for behind, since it's not representative of the company and actually against you're work contract, instead of slapping it on you're forehead and making it a point where you work

man people still Facebook?
 
tybert7 said:
I'm still mad at how much of a bitchfest people had over the mass effect 3 ending, it was still a great game. Entitled little brats.


That said, I was amused by some of the comparisons the jerkoff gamers have been making.

https://zippy.gfycat.com/ComposedSaltyAllosaurus.webm

https://zippy.gfycat.com/ShockedChillyHawaiianmonkseal.webm
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well frankly the ending was terrible

I played so many countless hours of MassEffect
and at the end of it all, getting the 'best' ending in the game
I was left thinking "THAT'S IT?"

but frankly I was ok with it with the DLC that came out when bioware accepted they f'd up royally

that ending was ok at least

also gotta be careful calling customers entitled
especially in games that get milked with DLCs
mmm
loved how you had to buy the Prothean DLC although it already was on the install disc
ahh EA
 
MrSteel74 said:
I honestly don't get the hate on the animations granted they aren't great but I played the early access demo on Origin and not once did I think these animations are so terrible they ruin the game and I need to launch personal attacks on the supposed lead animator.
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I think that anyone who defines a game by some stupid animation intervals is probably playing the wrong game. I always skip the animations if there are any. OTOH I find offline games extremely boring to begin with. I hate the scripted stuff.
 
westrock2000 said:
I get the general idea, but I don't see why not having specific experience would preclude someone from being able to identify good animation.

Is a "lead" not the same as a "manager"? Manager's do not have to know how to do the job, they only need to be able identify that a job is being done well or not well. The manager says "do good work" and the grunts make it happen.

It's not rocket surgery. It's video games. I'm sure there is enough cluster fucking and tom foolery to go around. But it works somehow. Look at some of the early music composers of video games. They knew fuck all about traditional music composition.....but they could overlap a square and sine wave like you wouldn't believe.
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"Lead" generally denotes someone who is between worker and manager. It's usually someone with significant work experience but little management experience, who is being put into a management role on the basis of that work experience.
 
westrock2000 said:
Is a "lead" not the same as a "manager"? Manager's do not have to know how to do the job, they only need to be able identify that a job is being done well or not well. The manager says "do good work" and the grunts make it happen.
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In software development a lead X is usually doing dev work, teaching/guiding others, making important architectural decision and technology selections, etc.
 
sir-gold said:
"Lead" generally denotes someone who is between worker and manager. It's usually someone with significant work experience but little management experience, who is being put into a management role on the basis of that work experience.
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eh... sort of. Lead is just the head of the group. They make some small technical decisions and if people in the group have technical questions they come to him/her to set them on the right path.
There's typically a manager which manages the whole team as well. Non technical decisions get made by the manager.

I'm sure the structure and level of involvement of the lead differs in different companies but that's what i've experienced at least.
 
Look, the animations look flipping wonky to me as well, but I don't think it is appropriate to make personal attacks over them.

If you don't like the animations from these previews, just don't buy the game.
 
oldmanbal said:
Also, lead designer for andromeda is an outspoken racist:

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I Will not be buying this game. I'm sorry you hate white people so much, and that you make this public, without the disapproval of your employer EA/BIOWARE
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At first I thought you were just screwing around but then I looked up what this guy has said...Jesus Christ, what an asshole. Sounds he finally got fired - about 3-4 months too late.
 
Woke up early this morning and cancelled my preorder before it shipped.

I may pick it up when it goes on sale.

Between this and the sleep inducing Iron Fist this has been a pretty shitty disappointing weekend entertainment wise.
 
ruffbytes said:
Look, the animations look flipping wonky to me as well, but I don't think it is appropriate to make personal attacks over them.

If you don't like the animations from these previews, just don't buy the game.
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I think most of us here are just questioning why they would put someone with no experience in the lead position of facial animator for the sequel of one of the most popular video game franchises. I'm sure some people are attacking this individual, and once again that narrative is going to drown out the real concerns people have. Personally, I have no issue with her being an animator as everyone has to start out somewhere, but maybe prove yourself on this one so you can be the lead on the next.
 
Monkey God said:
At first I thought you were just screwing around but then I looked up what this guy has said...Jesus Christ, what an asshole. Sounds he finally got fired - about 3-4 months too late.
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And his twitter says he left the company to start an indie dev studio. Code for, I was forced to resign for being an asshat.
 
The animator is not to blame. Making sure the right person is in the right job and performing acceptably is what management is for. Since she claimed credit she is going to get some shit. But I heard about BW's statement before I heard anything about her. I think most people were blaming BW and not her

I'm pretty sure this is a way to change the subject by elevating her role publically eventhough it seems they are sort of defending her while also blaming her. If BW never made this statement I think the pool of people who cared about her would have remained small. Nice way to make a sacrificial lamb out of her BW. Stay Classy
 
Armenius said:
I think most of us here are just questioning why they would put someone with no experience in the lead position of facial animator for the sequel of one of the most popular video game franchises. I'm sure some people are attacking this individual, and once again that narrative is going to drown out the real concerns people have. Personally, I have no issue with her being an animator as everyone has to start out somewhere, but maybe prove yourself on this one so you can be the lead on the next.
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I don't know where does the assumption come from that she had no experience whatsoever. How do you know how many projects has she worked on as a low level animator?
And as others have said lead animator doesn't mean someone who makes decisions, but someone who knows the direction the actual project leads want to take the game in, and can guide the others in their group.
 
M76 said:
I don't know where does the assumption come from that she had no experience whatsoever. How do you know how many projects has she worked on as a low level animator?
And as others have said lead animator doesn't mean someone who makes decisions, but someone who knows the direction the actual project leads want to take the game in, and can guide the others in their group.
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She could have been a technical lead, or a project / department lead. Regardless there is no excuse for the poor state of the animations and character models in this game.
 
NickJames said:
And his twitter says he left the company to start an indie dev studio. Code for, I was forced to resign for being an asshat.
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Figures. With that kind of resume plastered all over the internet who would hire him? Maybe if he would go back to india, it'd be better for everyone. There wouldn't be so many white people around him.
 
Monkey God said:
Sounds he finally got fired
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I wonder what the final straw was, as EA has been fine with him being a dick to white people for years, which made it pretty clear it was Groupthink Approved (tm). He's also apparently good friends with that Adam Orth "always-on" DRM guy a while back from Xbox who got in hot water for mocking middle-America publicly. ;)

In any case, I wonder if this epic fail is evidence against the theory that they are intentionally making their female characters unattractive, and its just sheer incompetence with few staff left on the payroll that are good at their jobs:
 
The one thing I'm wondering is: CAN THIS EVEN BE FIXED? Is it possible to do some kind of patch to fix the seriously funked up face this chick has and the eyeballs of other characters? I'm pretty sure they will fix the problems with characters walking around pretty quick.
 
I am not a Mass Effect fan.......but really........It's just a game.......

whatever happened to......the gameplay trumps the graphic every time........shrug........
 
Geef said:
The one thing I'm wondering is: CAN THIS EVEN BE FIXED? Is it possible to do some kind of patch to fix the seriously funked up face this chick has and the eyeballs of other characters? I'm pretty sure they will fix the problems with characters walking around pretty quick.
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I'm thinking it can. This should be rendered real time by using a facial structure model.

The model itself could probably be overwritten with a mod. But i doubt there's modding tools like there would normally be in a game like elder scrolls: skyrim.
 
magoo said:
I am not a Mass Effect fan.......but really........It's just a game.......

whatever happened to......the gameplay trumps the graphic every time........shrug........
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Depends on what you consider gameplay.

Without audio/visual there is no gameplay either. The animation and audio is what tells the story and is part of the experience. Do I think the visuals suck? Yes, but it is possible that the game is still worth playing.

Though I do think the 'internet' flips out about almost everything nowadays, best thing to do is if someone doesnt like it, dont buy it or wait until its price falls to what you feel is worth it. If it sells like hotcakes then that sends the message that evne though people freak out about it, they are still willing to buy it.
 
Ducman69 said:
... sheer incompetence with few staff left on the payroll that are good at their jobs...
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The problem is that this wasn't even developed by Bioware Edmonton. It was developed by Bioware Montreal.

Who knows if they ever had any talent to begin with? The only other thing they've done was the multiplayer for ME:3.

magoo said:
I am not a Mass Effect fan.......but really........It's just a game.......

whatever happened to......the gameplay trumps the graphic every time........shrug........
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For me, gameplay in Mass Effect was always secondary to the story. Been pretty much that way for every Bioware game from Baldur's Gate on up.

The gameplay has always been entertaining, but it was the story that really pulled you in. Besides, if the story in ME:A was brilliant I wouldn't give a rats ass if the animations looked like they were pulled straight from Oblivion.
 
Darunion said:
Depends on what you consider gameplay.

Without audio/visual there is no gameplay either. The animation and audio is what tells the story and is part of the experience. Do I think the visuals suck? Yes, but it is possible that the game is still worth playing.

Though I do think the 'internet' flips out about almost everything nowadays, best thing to do is if someone doesnt like it, dont buy it or wait until its price falls to what you feel is worth it. If it sells like hotcakes then that sends the message that evne though people freak out about it, they are still willing to buy it.
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With regard to game play, the combat is excellent and satisfying. The game's overall visual quality is spectacular. It's just the character models and animations that fuck that up.
 
Hypergreatthing said:
I'm thinking it can. This should be rendered real time by using a facial structure model.

The model itself could probably be overwritten with a mod. But i doubt there's modding tools like there would normally be in a game like elder scrolls: skyrim.
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It can be done but the game probably isn't designed to allow the end users enough access to it in order to make that happen. We had all kinds of issues modding ME3 and that's a Unreal Engine game with lots of tools and information out there for working with it. With FrostBite its going to be much harder to fix problems with it or mod it. BioWare could fix these problems and some of the more egregious errors might be but they won't overhaul the game to fix the facial animations and make people pretty. Some of the goofier run animation glitches and what not could be resolved with a patch. For all I know, yesterday's 300MB patch does that. I don't know yet.
 
westrock2000 said:
That is my issue as a whole with our society....not Bioware as a specific company. Can we say what we think or should we not say what we think? We are at the point that we want to destroy people's livelihoods for things they said in private with zero indication of ever being heard. I don't like this. If the guy is a shithead to work with then fire him for being a shithead to work with. I can enjoy someone's work regardless of what I think about them as a person.

But that's my personal opinion. And it's not a popular one.
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Actually I can agree with this. I'm sick of peoples' private lives being as some basis for their professional lives. This type of crap is also what's wrong with politics today on some level. For instance the whole Clinton affair. As one of my teachers at the time pointed out. What does his love life have to do with how well he can run the country? Does it change anything? I would understand if they had dug something up showing him to be definitively racist, because he'd be in a position to abuse that... but love life? Those stupid "person X did Y at time Z; do you really want him running your country?" ad campaigns are what really just made me horribly apathetic about politics. To know that there are people being influenced by such idiocy, some of which is utterly irrelevant to their current life and performance. I think people just prefer not to think and want the "hammer of justice" (being fired) to be called down upon anyone that popular opinion doesn't agree with. No one wants to actually think about whether their opinion or actions for each particular scenario is relevant to what they do or not. That has be done on a case by case basis and is simply too much work for the poor brain dead zombies of society. Now where I draw the line as far as companies, though, is when they let their political views influence their performance in any way. If for instance a company is actually seriously changing their product because of some guy's viewpoint... that's where the line gets drawn. But in my opinion if you keep your views separate from your production, then the two lives should be kept separate.

Not to mention, the stuff you say online can often be an extreme version of what you would say in reality. I mean come on how many times have we gotten into heated debates on forums? Sometimes everyone can sound like a real douche. If they have trouble expressing themselves in a tactful way, sometimes they come off as a douche consistently. If everyone just took scraps of text with people offering unpopular opinions in an unkind way, at some point you could build a history for almost anyone. Should you just go get fired? No and you won't as long as you keep anonymity on your side... difference here is that there were ties to his real life person, which left him susceptible. Silly move on his part. Well whatever.
 
0ptional said:
I have removed my initial post and will probably not respond to this thread anymore, even BioWare's statement is intentionally vague.
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I'm glad someone quoted you. Internet is forever!

This girl is a close personal friend of mine and incredibly talented *and* capable of the tasks assigned as part of her job, beyond that I don't feel comfortable saying anything more, especially after the extremely awful and personal attacks people have made against her due to misinformation.
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StoleMyOwnCar said:
Actually I can agree with this. I'm sick of peoples' private lives being as some basis for their professional lives. This type of crap is also what's wrong with politics today on some level. For instance the whole Clinton affair. As one of my teachers at the time pointed out. What does his love life have to do with how well he can run the country? Does it change anything?
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He used a position of influence to exact sexual favors from a indirect subordinate and then lied about it under oath. That demonstrates a massive lack of professionalism, a lack of restraint and better judgement (you don't shit where you eat), abuse of power, and by lying under oath is something that should be an impeachable offense, because if he'll lie about that, he's proven he'll lie about anything that can harm (or perhaps benefit him) politically. That's a bad example IMO. A better example would be Kennedy, because for the most part his womanizing was more a hobby and didn't reflect on his work.
StoleMyOwnCar said:
I would understand if they had dug something up showing him to be definitively racist, because he'd be in a position to abuse that...
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Which is specifically what this is about though, and mostly just extra annoying because of "liberal privilege", where double-standards are celebrated. After all, just imagine if he were a white manager there, drinking from a "black tears" cup after people called him racist for basically blaming black people for everything that's wrong with the world. It wouldn't take years and petitions and what not to fire him, and its likely there would be lawsuits.
StoleMyOwnCar said:
Not to mention, the stuff you say online can often be an extreme version of what you would say in reality.
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Absolutely, StoleMyOwnCar... I'm guessing that's not your real name. If he posted why he hates white people anonymously, and someone tracked him down and doxed him, that'd be a different matter. But he proudly boasted it for years publicly which not only brings into question his professionalism, but reflects poorly on the company because of his position of leadership. Besides, for a lot of people it was just as much about the double-standard, where SJW police seek out "microaggressions" to get people fired, but then champion their own camp when posting things like "White Men Must be Stopped; The very future of Mankind Depends on It!" So I completely get you, but I'm sure for many it was also a bit of "enjoy your own medicine" going on there.
 
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