Apple Slams PCs in New iPad Pro Ad Campaign

Trimlock said:
That's also a problem that MS is having. Yes updates cause issues with a few, but the same can be said with iOS. MS let the end user disable updates before and it was a bigger mess than now. I'm ok with fixing botched updates versus fixing a machine that had 10 updates waiting within the past 6months that could of blocked the issue.

They are stuck with that one. I hope it forces users to be a bit more cognizant of their updates.
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Really? I get pissed off because I don't think Apple release enough updates!
 
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...-on-some/10c9bed0-a4ae-42b9-a961-3152ee770917

This issue is a major PIA for me ATM. The client complains of the PC simply hanging and when I go through the logs/reliability history all I see is Realtek driver update followed by Windows has shut down unexpectedly (because the user forced it off due to it hanging). As a result I can either use Microsoft's horrible tool for blocking certain driver updates or switch Windows update off completely, that's all the control I've got and that's not good enough.
 
BulletDust said:
They're forcing Windows updates Heatlesssun, and the updates are causing problems and the end user or their tech has no control on how they're delivered whatsoever.

Unfortunately Windows is one OS that has a very poor method of updating and the latest attempts by Microsoft to take complete control are making things worse, not improving anything. People are simply disabling Windows update completely.
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While you have a point, how many Windows machines over the years were infected by malware because people never updated their machines?
 
Ah, ~100 posts in just under 3 hours, right on schedule - as if nobody else knew what was going to happen here. :D
 
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https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...-on-some/10c9bed0-a4ae-42b9-a961-3152ee770917

This issue is a major PIA for me ATM. The client complains of the PC simply hanging and when I go through the logs/reliability history all I see is Realtek driver update followed by Windows has shut down unexpectedly (because the user forced it off due to it hanging). As a result I can either use Microsoft's horrible tool for blocking certain driver updates or switch Windows update off completely, that's all the control I've got and that's not good enough.
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Guh I hate Realtek for this reason. I'm happy they got their performance up but that driver...
 
heatlesssun said:
While you have a point, how many Windows machines over the years were infected by malware because people never updated their machines?
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Heaps!

But Microsoft's attempted fix for the problem is actually causing more issues than it's solving - Especially when people are disabling Windows update completely due to a lack of finer control over how updates are delivered.

MS should not be forcing driver updates, that's just a complete fail.
 
BulletDust said:
Heaps!

But Microsoft's attempted fix for the problem is actually causing more issues than it's solving - Especially when people are disabling Windows update completely due to a lack of finer control over how updates are delivered.

MS should not be forcing driver updates, that's just a complete fail.
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Until the end user gets smarter on updates or there is a better third party option, they are stuck.
 
Trimlock said:
Guh I hate Realtek for this reason. I'm happy they got their performance up but that driver...
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It's such a PIA, especially when I rollback the driver only to have Windows update reinstall the problematic driver again and I have to return free of charge to block the update using that horrible tool.
 
BulletDust said:
It's such a PIA, especially when I rollback the driver only to have Windows update reinstall the problematic driver again and I have to return free of charge to block the update using that horrible tool.
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Yea I don't get that. I've reported it so many times but that damn thing still shows up!!!
 
The Windows updater needs a complete overhaul. Every other OS can update on the fly with the exception of Kernel updates, booting your PC to quickly check email before bed only to be confronted with 'Updating 1 of 40' is just not good enough in a modern OS.
 
BulletDust said:
You can surf the web, watch YouTube, look at Facebook, check your email and you even have Microsoft Office available for it and can roughly multitask. You may have some specific need that necessitates the need for a specific file manager, most people however do not have this need. For the bulk of users out there the iPad Pro does what they need a computing device to do with absolute simplicity.

It wouldn't suit someone like myself, but for the bulk of the stupid hipsters, Mum's and Dad's, Grandma and Grandpa's and tradies out there it would do just fine.
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So why do they need a more expensive device with the Pro label over a non-pro ipad? This pro ipad confuses me...
 
BulletDust said:
The Windows updater needs a complete overhaul. Every other OS can update on the fly with the exception of Kernel updates, booting your PC to quickly check email before bed only to be confronted with 'Updating 1 of 40' is just not good enough in a modern OS.
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Nah I totally agree with this, if only for the user that is using something with a device that has poor support. Again something windows is known for.
 
Silentbob343 said:
So why do they need a more expensive device with the Pro label over a non-pro ipad? This pro ipad confuses me...
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They don't but right now it's the only available one as the non pros are EOL and out of production.

My wife really wanted a new iPad mini but I refused to buy it as it hasn't been in production for half a year.
 
Silentbob343 said:
So why do they need a more expensive device with the Pro label over a non-pro ipad? This pro ipad confuses me...
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It's just a massive iPad.

I'm not that much of an Apple fan, but the larger screen does provide the effect of the experience expected from a real mobile device and helps with the limited multitasking in iOS immensely. When it comes to Apple people honestly have no problem spending money, just look at the rubbish bin Mac Pro - Outdated as all hell and $8000.00 worth, are you serious?!
 
Apple have missed the 2in1 trend and got no product. Now they wonder why people dont buy iPads.
 
heatlesssun said:
That's not what you said initially. You said that Apple was marketing to folks with 6 to 8 year old crappy PCs. Whiley agree that's part of it, Apple in this case is looking at targeting a market that's willing to spend a lot more than $400 on a cheapo laptop. The low end isn't anything Apple gives a shit about, and that's not a slam on Apple, it's just not what they do and it's obviously been beyond successful for them.
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You are making false assumptions that people with 6-8 year old desktops wouldn't be willing to part with 2 grand to replace it. Don't forget many of those people using 8 year old desktops paid 2x that in a lot of cases for those desktops. I used to sell desktop systems all day long that by the time I got them out the door they where spending 3-4k easy. That wasn't that long ago, and some of those machines are still on peoples desks as scary a thought as that is.

The simply haven't upgraded as there really isn't any reason to. So when they die, or get some virus that kills them cause Jr. visited the wrong site. Guess what they are all of a sudden in the market. This add covers a few of the issues they may have... 1 they realize there desktop was nothing more then an internet box 99% of the time and 2 it likely just died on them. I have listened to people tell me their computers got viruses and died and when I looked at them for them realized a fan died or something and they didn't know what the bios error screen was trying to tell them. Apple is aiming this add at those people. As bad as it is to say the majority of people are just that stupid.
 
Trimlock said:
Until the end user gets smarter on updates or there is a better third party option, they are stuck.
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How so ?

You can offer control over something as vital as driver updates. lol

Even if you force software updates... you can leave drivers out of it. If the average user runs into issues with a driver update like the realtek issue they mostly have no clue... and become potential Apple customers. ewww :) lol
 
ChadD said:
You are making false assumptions that people with 6-8 year old desktops wouldn't be willing to part with 2 grand to replace it. Don't forget many of those people using 8 year old desktops paid 2x that in a lot of cases for those desktops. I used to sell desktop systems all day long that by the time I got them out the door they where spending 3-4k easy. That wasn't that long ago, and some of those machines are still on peoples desks as scary a thought as that is.

The simply haven't upgraded as there really isn't any reason to. So when they die, or get some virus that kills them cause Jr. visited the wrong site. Guess what they are all of a sudden in the market. This add covers a few of the issues they may have... 1 they realize there desktop was nothing more then an internet box 99% of the time and 2 it likely just died on them. I have listened to people tell me their computers got viruses and died and when I looked at them for them realized a fan died or something and they didn't know what the bios error screen was trying to tell them. Apple is aiming this add at those people. As bad as it is to say the majority of people are just that stupid.
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I call bullshit on this. Who the hell in forever spent thousands on a desktop PC just to surf the internet?
 
heatlesssun said:
I call bullshit on this. Who the hell in forever spent thousands on a desktop PC just to surf the internet?
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They didn't they bought family desktops. Machines they intended to do 1001 things on, and likely did little more then browse porn with. They still do... go to dells site right now and see what a middle of the road desktop system costs. People expect to spend over a 1000 for a computer because they always have. So arguing that regular people wouldn't drop the money on a ipad pro is off as I see it. (or at least it seems logical for Apple to think they would) I know in your mind if it isn't running Windows 10 its not even worth one bill never mind 10 or more... for most people it just needs to work and not cause them issues. Yes they are willing to spend a few bucks for that... as evidence by the number of Macs in the world right now. (yes there are more windows devices, still they sold a lot of machines for a company that was so close to closing its doors)

I'm not saying apple is or should sell a lot of ipad pros to people with old desktops... but it is logical for Apple to target them, as stupid as the ads seem to us. For the masses, I don't think there is a feeling that they want another "desktop" computer. Sure many buy laptops, I do believe there are a lot of people out there today with older desktops that have perhaps bought a laptop or thought about it. Many of them bought cheap ass windows laptops and regretted it. Cause lets face it a lot of the cheap machines sold the last number of years are really really bad, and likely filled with a ton of bloatware. (or they got stuck with win 8) I would suspect Apples ad would ring true with a lot of average people, even if it is almost complete bs. :)
 
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Regardless of my opinion of Apple. That is a terrible advertisement.
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
Yes, they can. Especially iPads. iPhones have less growth potential due to their price subsidies with phone carriers. Android has a huge chunk of the market and Apple could potentially eat into it further.

All they have to do is lower the prices further on iPads and you will see a surge in popularity as they contend against cheaper Android Tablets.

I'm also referring to the total number of units shipped. Even if they don't gain percentage points overall, they are still shipping millions of units. As long as they continue shipping so many, they will have popularity.
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Huh?

You said more viruses would come if they got more popular. iPhone is the most popular phone in the world.


So why aren't there more viruses exactly? How popular does something need to be? Basically, I'm calling bs on your comment.
 
Tablets and Macs nosediving. Apple should just junk all that and become a phone company. It's their only relevant product.
 
lmao only noobs in suits throw out their's PC's for a Ipads.

Then in 2 months go back because they don't have 1/3 of the functionality a real pc gives them.
 
ChadD said:
How so ?

You can offer control over something as vital as driver updates. lol

Even if you force software updates... you can leave drivers out of it. If the average user runs into issues with a driver update like the realtek issue they mostly have no clue... and become potential Apple customers. ewww :) lol
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MS has been including driver updates with their main updates for a while now. Back in the XP days I'd find people still using original drivers or Windows default driver from original installs. Leaving out driver updates are one of the reasons Window machines become unstable, its important to keep up with these. I don't blame MS for when companies like Realtek fuck it up for everyone else, but they need to acknowledge when one gets reported.
 
Verge said:
Huh?

You said more viruses would come if they got more popular. iPhone is the most popular phone in the world.


So why aren't there more viruses exactly? How popular does something need to be? Basically, I'm calling bs on your comment.
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iPhones are not widely used for corporate issue due to incompatibilities with enterprise infrastructures that are largely based in Windows. Since they aren't deployed much through enterprise, the value of coding malware for the iPhone vs. an android are significantly lessened. This makes them a less attractive target.

On the jailbroken side of apple there is plenty of malware. On the stock side, apple keeps the OS pretty locked down. While this makes coding and deploying malware much more difficult, the more advanced end user suffers. Average users either can't tell the difference, or don't care.
 
Crixus said:
iPhones are not widely used for corporate issue due to incompatibilities with enterprise infrastructures that are largely based in Windows. Since they aren't deployed much through enterprise, the value of coding malware for the iPhone vs. an android are significantly lessened. This makes them a less attractive target.
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Where are you getting this information man? Where do you work?

Most corporations are BYOD these days. I know for a fact Fortune 1 is.
 
ChadD said:
People expect to spend over a 1000 for a computer because they always have. So arguing that regular people wouldn't drop the money on a ipad pro is off as I see it. (or at least it seems logical for Apple to think they would)
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I just don't know anyone who has dropped a $1k on a desktop just because for a long time. The people I know that have spent that kind of money for a decade now had specific reasons, generally for work, business or school where a cheapo device wouldn't fulfill the need.

ChadD said:
I know in your mind if it isn't running Windows 10 its not even worth one bill never mind 10 or more... for most people it just needs to work and not cause them issues. Yes they are willing to spend a few bucks for that... as evidence by the number of Macs in the world right now. (yes there are more windows devices, still they sold a lot of machines for a company that was so close to closing its doors)
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For me personally, $1k isn't that much money for a PC, but for the people you're describing it is. $1k for an iPad Pro for a typically PC user, that's not happening. For a Mac person that's been used to spending $1k+ on a machine, probably not a big deal to them. But when you start spending $2k+ or more I think there are a lot more expectations for those kinds of devices. If someone is spending $2k on a PC desktop, it's for gaming or some other higher end need. And yeah, they will probably be running Windows because if you spend that kind of money on hardware, people want to do things with it and Windows typically provides the best support for those things be it gaming, business or higher end productivity tasks.

ChadD said:
I'm not saying apple is or should sell a lot of ipad pros to people with old desktops... but it is logical for Apple to target them, as stupid as the ads seem to us. For the masses, I don't think there is a feeling that they want another "desktop" computer. Sure many buy laptops, I do believe there are a lot of people out there today with older desktops that have perhaps bought a laptop or thought about it. Many of them bought cheap ass windows laptops and regretted it. Cause lets face it a lot of the cheap machines sold the last number of years are really really bad, and likely filled with a ton of bloatware. (or they got stuck with win 8) I would suspect Apples ad would ring true with a lot of average people, even if it is almost complete bs. :)
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Ok, but a person who is going to replace an old desktop with an iPad Pro never needed that desktop in the first place. And those that spent a lot of money on those desktops probably did need them at some point. I don't think people who spend a lot of money on this stuff are as carefree as you mention. Personally I've just not seen this much. As for cheapo laptops, they've gotten a LOT better today.

The $200 Lenovo Ideapad 100S I just got my brother-in-law this weekend. For the money I'm super impressed by it. Sure it's not fast but installed Office 2016 on it and it runs fine. Nice keyboard, decent trackpad. I think a lot people that are going out and replacing old desktops and who still need things like Office or other basic desktop software, that need a real keyboard and mouse, $200 for something like that Ideapad I think would be far more compelling that a device where the keyboard alone costs almost the same price as whole laptop.
 
I'm never buying another Lenovo. My wifes current laptop was rendered useless by their integrated bloat software, its terrible to remove and their phantom software/driver update software (which for some reason I can't remove without causing a bootloop?) wants to re-install it every 10 minutes.
 
daglesj said:
Tablets and Macs nosediving. Apple should just junk all that and become a phone company. It's their only relevant product.
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Likewise Microsoft should give up on mobile because it's a mess on the desktop and they're known as a maker of desktop operating systems. It's their only relevant product.
 
CaptNumbNutz said:
I already acknowledged that in post #36 just a few above yours. o_O
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Why compete in shitty markets where making products out of plastic / cheap that detract from the brand name. They tried it with the 5c and it was a piece of shit.

Apple make premium products, using premium materials with seamless integration if you stay in their ecosystem, if you dont like it, go back to Windows and enjoy the advertising billboards.

Most Apple users are not brainwashed sheep, they just want simple devices that work and does 95% of what alternatives do. I couldn't give 2 shits if you can do more with a surface pro as opposed to an iPad Pro, I want a device that is instant on and off like a phone and doesn't run a bastardised desktop OS.

Biggest thing of all about the Apple ecosystem is you can upgrade devices with excellent resale value also, you aren't spending stupid money when you get 70% of it back when you go to upgrade anyway.
 
Trimlock said:
I'm never buying another Lenovo. My wifes current laptop was rendered useless by their integrated bloat software, its terrible to remove and their phantom software/driver update software (which for some reason I can't remove without causing a bootloop?) wants to re-install it every 10 minutes.
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I hear you. Price was all about the point of this purchase. I played with for 15 minutes in the store and for a couple more hours setting it up and testing it. Yeah, that eMMC storage is slow but for $180 dollars it's very well built, pretty light, no fans or heat and ran great on the medium load web browsing and office tasks I tried. Whenever we see cheap solid state performance improve over what eMMC has to offer, these low cost devices could be very compelling.
 
heatlesssun said:
I hear you. Price was all about the point of this purchase. I played with for 15 minutes in the store and for a couple more hours setting it up and testing it. Yeah, that eMMC storage is slow but for $180 dollars it's very well built, pretty light, no fans or heat and ran great on the medium load web browsing and office tasks I tried. Whenever we see cheap solid state performance improve over what eMMC has to offer, these low cost devices could be very compelling.
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My current one isn't a thin profile so it's using a spinner vice the eMMC and I'm actually kind of glad for now.
 
daglesj said:
Tablets and Macs nosediving. Apple should just junk all that and become a phone company. It's their only relevant product.
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Which itself they are killing off in a similar fashion slowly. I'm a big iPhone fan, have been since the first - But I refuse to by the iPhone 7 and any new phone moving forward with their removal of the 3.5mm jack. It's only going to get worse.
 
Trimlock said:
My current one isn't a thin profile so it's using a spinner vice the eMMC and I'm actually kind of glad for now.
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eMMC is sort of mixed bag. It's pretty solid at reads versus a typical 7200 RPM spinner but chugs at writes. But it does allow for a cheap totally solid state devices and helps with battery life and heat. Installing larger apps is slow but otherwise the performance is plenty acceptable for medium weight tasks.
 
BulletDust said:
Likewise Microsoft should give up on mobile because it's a mess on the desktop and they're known as a maker of desktop operating systems. It's their only relevant product.
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What's interesting about your statement here and a couple of these ads is how those ads highlight the touchscreen and pencil capabilities of the iPad Pro as great features not on PCs. One these ads specifically mentions ink in Word. Which is very odd I think considering that Office on Windows has supported ink for 15 years now. Considering how much you and I have talked about ink in Office and what your stance is on the hybrid nature of Windows 10, it's a bit fascinating to see you criticize features in Windows that Apple is promoting for people looking to replace PCs.
 
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