Microsoft Removes Group Policies From Windows 10 Pro

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I don't get why people keep comparing these terrible things MS does with Windows to Apple. Apple has done many things to complain about, but Apple hasn't done anything nearly as bad with a desktop OS as the crap MS keeps pulling with Win8/10. Unless of course you're equivocating iOS with desktop Windows, but that's a strange and fairly useless comparison. OS X is still a compelling productivity desktop OS.

edit: Yesterday I threw in the original 500GB spin drive in my craptop and first marveled at how absolutely, unquestionably awful Windows 8.x was. Then I laughed to myself as every single broken idea that MS built into Win8.x frustrated basic attempts like checking for updates with Windows Update. Failing that, which the advice suggests letting it sit around for hours, I took advantage of the last day of the free Win10 upgrade and let the standalone upgrade assistant run. I have no intention of using that mess of an OS either (Win10), but the next person who gets this laptop isn't getting the SSD and I can't in good conscience sell or give it to someone else running that disaster Win8.x. The HDD came out with an activated OS upgrade, and it will sit on a shelf until I buy another laptop.
 
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Well now, this fucks what I have setup at work. Why even bother with a "pro" designation.
 
I made all my clients who wanted it install win10 fresh on new ssd's that will just sit until the dust settles then they can dual boot for a bit until they get used to it.

No way was 66 year old nana who just spent 5 years learning how to use Win 7 going to be able to grasp Windows 10. Or all the painful explanations of WHY!!!
 
thelead said:
How can they just take away a feature like this? I don't see this going well for them on the PR front.
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How are people just now noticing this trend? Windows 8 and 10 were both substantial feature regressions from 7 out of the gate.

Enjoy your 'free' Windows, all you dumbasses who went along with this. We tried to warn you.

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Meanwhile it sure has been quiet on the "shill" side.
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They did just have some more layoffs. Maybe the astroturfing team got shitcanned now that the Windows 10 downgrade lawsuits are coming in.
 
naib said:
When there are no strings attached there are chains.

I am looking forward to the shills defense of this, while sitting at my gentoo box I have managed for the last 13years

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I am looking forward to the Jack asserry of folks around here, oh wait, to late.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
How are people just now noticing this trend? Windows 8 and 10 were both substantial feature regressions from 7 out of the gate.

Enjoy your 'free' Windows, all you dumbasses who went along with this. We tried to warn you.



They did just have some more layoffs. Maybe the astroturfing team got shitcanned now that the Windows 10 downgrade lawsuits are coming in.
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Cleary, not the Ubuntu or Apple astroturfing team I see.
 
ManofGod said:
Cleary, not the Ubuntu or Apple astroturfing team I see.
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How exactly does arguing that Windows 7 is a superior product to 8/10 make me an Ubuntu or Apple shill? I don't believe I've ever mentioned either in my posts and I am (well, was) a long time Windows fan, I was one of the few people who defended Vista and debunked the anti-Vista FUD back in the day. To be insulted like that by someone like you is rather ironic.

You have nothing to contribute to this forum other than insults, derailments, and Windows 10 ads. You need to GTFO.
 
I am not sure this is a change that makes a ton of $ense for MS. They have already been loosing many of the worlds largest business installs to Linux as companies large enough to have larger IT depts have chosen to move to Linux for their workstations for the greater control and the large scale savings when you are talking that many machines. Now they are making this change that will make it even more tempting for the medium size outfits to do the same. Its a good time to be an independent IT supplier proficient in medium size Linux rollouts. I think there are plenty of Linux pros who are super thankful this week... MS has made the value proposition so much stronger. haha
 
DeathFromBelow said:
How exactly does arguing that Windows 7 is a superior product to 8/10 make me an Ubuntu or Apple shill? I don't believe I've ever mentioned either in my posts and I am (well, was) a long time Windows fan, I was one of the few people who defended Vista and debunked the anti-Vista FUD back in the day. To be insulted like that by someone like you is rather ironic.

You have nothing to contribute to this forum other than insults, derailments, and Windows 10 ads. You need to GTFO.
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All you did was insult and had nothing to add to this thread so, good luck with your illogic.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
How exactly does arguing that Windows 7 is a superior product to 8/10 make me an Ubuntu or Apple shill? I don't believe I've ever mentioned either in my posts and I am (well, was) a long time Windows fan, I was one of the few people who defended Vista and debunked the anti-Vista FUD back in the day. To be insulted like that by someone like you is rather ironic.

You have nothing to contribute to this forum other than insults, derailments, and Windows 10 ads. You need to GTFO.
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I love the irony of a dude like that crying shill when he's one of the biggest AMD shills on this site.
 
DooKey said:
I love the irony of a dude like that crying shill when he's one of the biggest AMD shills on this site.
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LOL! Yeah, shill, I prefer to use AMD hardware but guess what, that makes me a shill. LOL! I love people who have no clue what they are even talking about. Oh well, I spend my money I what I want and what works well, if you do not like that, tough shit. LOL! :D

Edit: Also, I have recently sold my 980 Ti and have a Fury coming in. In the mean time, I am using an R9 380 and, at least on my monitor and computer, my desktop and games look better than before.
 
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Will be staying on windows 8.1 longer than expected. Each year they'll be less control of what you can do with the OS. Till its a walled garden.
 
ManofGod said:
LOL! Yeah, shill, I prefer to use AMD hardware but guess what, that makes me a shill. LOL! I love people who have no clue what they are even talking about. Oh well, I spend my money I what I want and what works well, if you do not like that, tough shit. LOL! :D

Edit: Also, I have recently sold my 980 Ti and have a Fury coming in. In the mean time, I am using an R9 380 and, at least on my monitor and computer, my desktop and games look better than before.
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Not to derail things, but are you saying the visual quality on AMD cards is superior to Nvidia's? I've always thought they're supposed to be identical, except for specific AA modes. Or by "better" do you just mean the card has more power to run games at higher settings?
 
ChadD said:
I am not sure this is a change that makes a ton of $ense for MS.
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Nothing they've really done since Windows 8.0 aka The Metro Era of Suck has made any sense - not for consumers, not for Microsoft. They were right to try getting in mobile, no arguments there, but their execution was completely hamfisted as they wrongly assumed longtime PC users would just accept a phone UI on the desktop. The metro/WinRT/UWP framework is also terrible.

Anyway, the real message they're sending SMB's with nonsense like removing GPO's that control consumer features inappropriate for the workplace is: "Just stay on Windows 7"
 
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tetris42 said:
Not to derail things, but are you saying the visual quality on AMD cards is superior to Nvidia's? I've always thought they're supposed to be identical, except for specific AA modes. Or by "better" do you just mean the card has more power to run games at higher settings?
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I do not know if it is the experience of others but, I can definitely see a difference on my Samsung 28 inch 4k monitor. I noticed the difference also when I went from a R9 290x to the 980 Ti and then back to AMD with the R9 380 for now. Just visually, they appear more colorful, sharper and seem to pop out of the screen more, even at the desktop. I think the 980 Ti was good but, I just prefer AMD for my usage.
 
tetris42 said:
Not to derail things, but are you saying the visual quality on AMD cards is superior to Nvidia's? I've always thought they're supposed to be identical, except for specific AA modes. Or by "better" do you just mean the card has more power to run games at higher settings?
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Yeah, looks better, that's the ticket. Monster Cable has a studio quality, hd, oxygen free copper, braided, 3d shielded hdmi cable with manofdogs name on it.
 
Wasn't group policies one of the primary reasons to go with Pro in the first place?

I should be allowed to lock out the store, and cortana and any telemetry being sent back to MS. Or I may just have to go back to dual booting MS for games, Nix for everything else. Nix is such a pita sometimes, but better than letting MS have their way.
Win 7/8 are only going to be supported for so long, and I suspect, we may see some of this crap forced into it, should we resist these changes.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Enjoy your 'free' Windows, all you dumbasses who went along with this. We tried to warn you.
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They weren't dumbasses IMHO.
You just don't expect certain products or companies becoming this way.
Whoever stayed on 7 or 8, at this point, is also kind of a dumbass because they do, can and will harm their previous products.
The layoffs that were mentioned were (oddly) in the cellular divisions. But it's no surprise that in order to keep profits up, the legacy baggage needs to be dropped.
Every non-enterprise Windows user should expect the same treatment.
I am extremely glad this doesn't affect me. And, no, not because I can "move to Linux". Linux will eventually fail, or become divided.
You can't keep reinventing the wheel (example: OSS, ALSA, Jack, Pulse), argue on for years about each GPL revision and expect things to progress for the benefit of the regular user.
 
Gorankar said:
Win 7/8 are only going to be supported for so long, and I suspect, we may see some of this crap forced into it, should we resist these changes.
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4 more years for 7 (2020), and 7 more years for 8.1 (2023). Plenty of time for MS to pull their heads out of their asses. Or not.

In any case theres no real need to rush into perpetual-beta, feature-regressing 10.

Windows 8.1 is and still will be, until 2023 at least, by far the best available MS system. It only takes a couple of minutes to install something like StartIsBack and to basically turn it into windows 7.5.
 
Jim Kim said:
Yeah, looks better, that's the ticket. Monster Cable has a studio quality, hd, oxygen free copper, braided, 3d shielded hdmi cable with manofdogs name on it.
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Sorry but, what the hell are you going on about? Are you getting your NVidia feelings hurt? I know what my eyes see whether you like it or not. Oh well, the good thing is it is over the DP cable that came with the monitor. :) I am using the system right here, right now and last time I checked, you are not.

You are also one of the reasons I decided to get away from Nvidia, I cannot stand their fanboy crap.
 
ManofGod said:
Sorry but, what the hell are you going on about? Are you getting your NVidia feelings hurt? I know what my eyes see whether you like it or not. Oh well, the good thing is it is over the DP cable that came with the monitor. :) I am using the system right here, right now and last time I checked, you are not.

You are also one of the reasons I decided to get away from Nvidia, I cannot stand their fanboy crap.
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Sorry but could you explain what does NV have to do with this?
Have you ever been to an AMD forum? Ironically fanboyism is rampant wherever brands are compared. WD vs Seagate, audio gear...
I don't condone saying stuff like 'manofdog' but it's quite obvious Microsoft doesn't yet make GPUs, so, NV?
 
ManofGod said:
I do not know if it is the experience of others but, I can definitely see a difference on my Samsung 28 inch 4k monitor. I noticed the difference also when I went from a R9 290x to the 980 Ti and then back to AMD with the R9 380 for now. Just visually, they appear more colorful, sharper and seem to pop out of the screen more, even at the desktop. I think the 980 Ti was good but, I just prefer AMD for my usage.
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I'm calling bullshit on this claim. I've used both AMD/ATI and Nvidia over the years and have never noticed this visual difference. Did you try adjusting digital vibrance in the NV settings? Maybe the default setting was not to your liking.
 
So confused. Win 10 could have been an unequivocal smash hit. Tech wise, it's great.

And yet they seem absolutely hell bent on adding lots of things which make it crippled, and make people leery. Even putting on my Evil Dictator hat - they should have saved that for windows 11. Get 'em on 10, then slide this crap in much later. Not now. Later.
 
DPI said:
Nothing they've really done since Windows 8.0 aka The Metro Era of Suck has made any sense - not for consumers, not for Microsoft. They were right to try getting in mobile, no arguments there, but their execution was completely hamfisted as they wrongly assumed longtime PC users would just accept a phone UI on the desktop. The metro/WinRT/UWP framework is also terrible.

Anyway, the real message they're sending SMB's with nonsense like removing GPO's that control consumer features inappropriate for the workplace is: "Just stay on Windows 7"
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How long is that really an option though really. Perhaps another few years, I doubt MS doubles back on their requirement of the Enterprise edition. When companies employing 50-300 people start looking at the costs... the small IT companies that contract out their services phasing out the MS junk are going to start looking more attractive. That's why I don't at all understand MS thinking on this. They where already starting to loose a good chunk of those types of customers. Now when someone like me goes in with a pitch I can now swap out the costs of X number of copies of Pro for Enterprise and make my value proposition even more attractive then it already was. I mean I'm not complaining... I'm just shaking my head is all. Its like the guys in Redmond have their own reality distortion field, unfortunately for them (and or their investors) it only distorts their own reality. Forcing medium size outfits to go Enterprise 100% is going to seriously increase linux uptake... I mean even if 1 in 50 customers of that size make that switch in the next year that is going to hurt.
 
michalrz said:
I am extremely glad this doesn't affect me. And, no, not because I can "move to Linux". Linux will eventually fail, or become divided.
You can't keep reinventing the wheel (example: OSS, ALSA, Jack, Pulse), argue on for years about each GPL revision and expect things to progress for the benefit of the regular user.
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Canonical is taking care of that right now... more and more there way is the "standard" user way. The outlaying distros will continue to exist for those wanting that... there influence is already wormed its way into other distros with Debian/Ubuntu game libraries ect.

Canonical gets tons of input from Google... and we all know where that is heading. Google has been biding their time for a few years now sending fixes through to Canonical, using their own gobuntu internally and getting Chrome/android ready for the eventual shift to a one everything OS. I'm not saying I would rather have a google run OS... as it wouldn't likey be much different then dealing with MS. I am simply pointing out MS should see that coming, if they don't there extremely short sighted. One of these days Google is going to see their opening if MS keeps making boneheaded decisions and pounce. MS should know they could spit and polish goobuntu and have a Windows killer in about 2-6 months of work at any time. Inviting them to go for it is stupid.
 
Yeah, but DX12 only runs on Windows 10. So every Ashes of the Singularity is GOD user will have to go W10 to get that juicy async compute feather in their cap. Oh the humanity.
 
ChadD said:
Canonical is taking care of that right now... more and more there way is the "standard" user way. The outlaying distros will continue to exist for those wanting that... there influence is already wormed its way into other distros with Debian/Ubuntu game libraries ect.

Canonical gets tons of input from Google... and we all know where that is heading. Google has been biding their time for a few years now sending fixes through to Canonical, using their own gobuntu internally and getting Chrome/android ready for the eventual shift to a one everything OS. I'm not saying I would rather have a google run OS... as it wouldn't likey be much different then dealing with MS. I am simply pointing out MS should see that coming, if they don't there extremely short sighted. One of these days Google is going to see their opening if MS keeps making boneheaded decisions and pounce. MS should know they could spit and polish goobuntu and have a Windows killer in about 2-6 months of work at any time. Inviting them to go for it is stupid.
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Interesting - I haven't thought about G's role in this.
Personally I am more concerned with a patent war or stunning of development through fragmentation in the lower layers of Linux/BSD/"other".

Let's put on a pair of sandals, grow a fake beard and try to remember - you can't, like, own an OS, man! Linux existed before Ubuntu and Canonical.

The Linux logo is a ... flightless bird.
Google took it, and made it fly.
Canonical took Debian and made it more accessible. That's the root of Ubuntu's success.

There is no Windows killer when it comes to 1) gaming, 2) popular productivity software like Office, to which people became accustomed, 3) basic computer usage training which people have already received at work or at home.

Windows was and (with some active resistance) is perfectly fine for getting stuff done. People know it, major software vendors code for it, the vocabulary is common knowledge.
If MS leaves SMBs and individual users with the short end of the stick, they will still have to bend over backwards when 7 and 8's EOLs arrive.

If you can't keep your SMB and home users happy, why would they take the plunge and buy your stuff for actual business/serious work?
 
ManofGod said:
Sorry but, what the hell are you going on about? Are you getting your NVidia feelings hurt? I know what my eyes see whether you like it or not. Oh well, the good thing is it is over the DP cable that came with the monitor. :) I am using the system right here, right now and last time I checked, you are not.

You are also one of the reasons I decided to get away from Nvidia, I cannot stand their fanboy crap.
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Yikes, you sound like my old boss who was suffering from dementia. Everytime he changed something on his computer it made the screen sharper, more vibrant and sometimes more blurry if he could not find his glasses, either that or he had been hacked. lol

>>>>>>>>>>>>>NEWS FLASH<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

If a video card could do what you say, there would be more than just you talking about it.
But since it's not possible for a video card to do that. We all call bull shit, both red and green team agree you have a one of a kind magically amazing gpu. You had better hold on to that because it could start laying golden eggs.
 
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sadsteve said:
Well, now I'm really glad I put 8.1 back on my machine a few days ago.

They're removing the group policy stuff in the editor but are they removing the associated entries in the registry? For years I did registry changes with Windows 7 Home Premium that did the changes you would do via GP editor with the Pro version. You may still be able to disable these 'features' via the registry.
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From the article "Furthermore, the corresponding Registry keys are not working either anymore which means that Pro users have no option to make changes to features affected by the change." So no you can not just change the registry settings.
 
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