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RX 480 is apparently killing pcie slots
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thesmokingman
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None, Those things are designed to handle craezy loads especially on high end mobos.
One simple thing comes to mind. A overclocked 5960K can pull 400 watts in some instances in Prime95 yet its TDP is only 150 watts.
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Can you provide proof?
Page 2 under stress testing.
So Rx 480 will pull alot more while running an Nvidia title like Metro Last Light at 4K.
Does it make more sense to you guys now.
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Proof, specifications.Page 2 under stress testing.
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Page 2 under stress testing.
how that's related to the Nenu's question?. what can that prove? that high-end X99 designed to overclock High-end CPU system can handle lot of current?. oh. well..
Dude I'm going to say one thing, the guy Adorned doesn't know wtf he is talking about let alone graphic card industry, you want to listen to an idiot, that is your problem lol. He is charlie for youtube but worse, cut and paste master on youtube great.
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^^This and it's nothing new as previous enthusiasts systems drew just as much if not more, like the 3930s and chips before. Hell even GTX 580s were known to pull over 800watts when pushed with exotic cooling. There are many instances of extremeness to go around.
Well you think most people have 300 buck motherboards that can handle all the strain?
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Interesting PC Perspective got different results with the GTX 960. Considering how many crap posts are in this thread, it's easy to miss something like this. But even their graphs don't seem concerning. It does look like it draws on average 5w higher than the 75w specification. If that's a concern is another area that board makers can try to answer.oh.. well.. as you seem to be ignoring most things of this thread, then let me post this again, straight from PCPer. this time the image without spoiler because everyone seems to be ignoring it in spoilers.. so, sorry ieldra because you hate long pics =D
ASUS GTX 960 power debunked by PCPer
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CPUs dont draw power over the PCIE-e bus, not a close correlation.
Supercooled graphics cards are not used on run of the mill hardware and they make sure it is safe to push that kind of power into it if they want it to survive.
Something AMD neglected.
Other times they push it as far as they dare and sometimes it dies.
So again, not a close correlation.
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The thing is you guys don't seem to be looking at things from a methodical approach and instead the house is on fire run run approach, though that is just my impression. Yes, it's overspec from a reviewers testing, however how does that compare to PCI-SIIG? Do we even know how they do it? How do we even know if reviewers are doing it correctly? Where is the peer review of this? See, we don't even know what we don't know, but nevermind that...
The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire,
We don't need no water let the motherf*er burn,
Burn motherf*er burn...
That particular one is more like over 500. It proves that the whole thing is bullshit Pr to damage the release of a great card. Once again the keyword is the power phase design of Rx480. There is nothing wrong with the card.
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You quote the specs, we'll review them.
Methodical approach.
We were joking around, I even stated I was joking around. If you missed that then sorry i'll make it more clear next time.
Multiple times I've stated its an easy problem to fix, AMD just has to do it.
This is also why some of the reviewers are a bunch of clowns that dont know what the fuck they are talking about. And while some of you may think that the AdornTv guy maybe one of them. He is right in this case.
Even though he sounds like a twat and i made fun of his heavy accent .
Does anyone have any proof of visual damage or complaint that a motherboard died due to this so called over voltage to the PCIE slot? If so give us a link, until then there is no proof that this will cause damage to a motherboard?
If not ..
I do not believe it
If not ..
I do not believe it
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Cool, I musta missed it. Though looking thru the quotes some seem to really have a vested interest in burning the mfker down!
Yeah if you want to take the specs out of the card, there is nothing wrong, but those specs were made by the very company that made that card or at least AMD is one of the companies that approved those specs lol.
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lol, ironic.
Quote the specs so we can review them.
You made the claim:
with regard to power through the pcie-e bus.
Prove it.
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There's one report of a mb slot going bad, but how does one forensically prove it's from the gpu? But for the purposes of knee jerk reacting, you don't need proof, just yell fire fire.
Power phases on the GPU have nothing to do with the power draw on the motherboard.
Lol, people still refuse to believe that the 480 causes issues even though there is actual video proof for it.
At 2:00 mark he starts to explain the issue.
Quick summary: He's building a cheap $350 AMD system with an AM2 motherboard. With the 480 in it, it would shut down every time (without damage it seems, lucky guy). Here's the kicker: he puts in a 980Ti and no problems.
And the 480 works in his Asus Z170-A motherboard, obviously, because those use overkill components for high overclocking headroom. It's a $165 motherboard. So obviously it can at least sustain that kind of load, but for how long?
RX 480 is such a hipster, because it went mainstream before it was cool
At 2:00 mark he starts to explain the issue.
Quick summary: He's building a cheap $350 AMD system with an AM2 motherboard. With the 480 in it, it would shut down every time (without damage it seems, lucky guy). Here's the kicker: he puts in a 980Ti and no problems.
And the 480 works in his Asus Z170-A motherboard, obviously, because those use overkill components for high overclocking headroom. It's a $165 motherboard. So obviously it can at least sustain that kind of load, but for how long?
RX 480 is such a hipster, because it went mainstream before it was cool
I haven't seen any card that goes over the pci-e specs for the bus *outside of spikes, when not over clocked withstanding this rx 480. Even the power guzzler dual GPU cards never did this, they took their extra power from the pci-e connectors and not the bus.
There is nothing to prove. Read : power phase design of the cards.
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We know you cant prove it, making nonsense statements doesnt help you.
You are what you despise.
It has nothing to do about the power phases of the card lol. Great the card can handle the extra juice how about the cheapo motherboard lol.
LOL I saw that motherboard and I was like say what. It really did look cheap as hell. No wonder it was having issues. I think AMD will probably end up forcing more power through the 6 pin. That can be done no? I think it can physically handle more power. The card has pretty decent build quality I don't see it having issues pulling power through the 6 pin if it has to. It seems like thats the issue. It pulls more from board rather than the 6pin.
The reasoning is simple. You dont see 4 door grocery getting sedans with high performance summer tires sold by the respective dealerships. The issue is with the cheap matherbords and not the card itself.
Or it could be as simple as Gen 2/3 spec of PCI-E required to run the card.
Its a cheap card, it was made for people that dont' want to spend 1.5k on a system. Pretty simple, it was made for people that don't want to spend more than 800 bucks on a system.
Lets throw out the entire TAM perspective of AMD out the window?
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You are saying that AMD have not exceeded power specifications?
What????
So what does that say for a 980ti working on the same motherboard? Why are we now blaming a peice of equipment that was working just fine with every other card?
Lol this is not racing tires it's $200 budget gaming card that draws more power than spec dictates. Do you think someone buying $200 graphics cards has a $300 motherboard?
Guess what? RX 480 is not an enthusiast card and the majority of them will not end up in enthusiast motherboards overbuilt for OC'ing. On top of that, these other so-called examples of high sustained power draws were when overclocked - user induced damage if it were to occur. RX 480 is out of spec *at default settings*. On other forums they're throwing around the excuse "well Toms was running 4K, who would run this card at 4K?" as though that was a valid excuse - it's end user failure! "Why would he use a PCI-E 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot?", another desperate attempt to shift blame. If an end user can do something, they will do that thing. That's why nVidia throttles Furmark, isn't it?
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