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Well, I'm almost sad launch day is here tomorrow. This has been one of the most exciting GPU launch windows in recent memory. I don't think I've seen this kind of back and forth over an unreleased card since the 9700 Pro (which utterly dominated when it came out).
 
Michaelius said:
So much for the brilliant plan of conquering $200 market without competition.
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lazz said:
Well, I'm almost sad launch day is here tomorrow. This has been one of the most exciting GPU launch windows in recent memory. I don't think I've seen this kind of back and forth over an unreleased card since the 9700 Pro (which utterly dominated when it came out).
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And HardOCP was the first published review of the 9700. Stayed up all night getting that right while everyone else was getting drunk. :)
 
Michaelius said:
Yep it's scary how every leaked piece of data confirms everything Kyle wrote so far.



So much for the brilliant plan of conquering $200 market without competition.
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Well as I stated everything is in nV's hands, AMD has to be lucky for nV to screw up. That has been like this every generation, when one company is in the lead its theirs to screw up.
 
Chimpee said:
I expect a fair review, Kyle did give a lot of flak to the Fury Nano and still gotten a gold rating. If the performances holds true for RX480, then I probably expect silver to gold rating from [H] given the price.
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No doubt. I meant the card being the bad review. Not the reviewer. :)
 
lazz said:
Well, I'm almost sad launch day is here tomorrow. This has been one of the most exciting GPU launch windows in recent memory. I don't think I've seen this kind of back and forth over an unreleased card since the 9700 Pro (which utterly dominated when it came out).
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Great card indeed. 14 years ago, wow.
 
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I expect a very positive review of a card performing like a 980/390x for $199-$239, with a silver or gold reward at the end. That's what all the leaks led me to expect. Not sexy performance, but a truly great product for the price.

Anything else would be very surprising at this point. Like, if it offered Fury X/980ti levels of performance for $239, that would be ah-fucking-stonishing. Or if it doesn't even match up to a 390, that would just floor me. But those things are incredibly unlikely.
 
lazz said:
No... No. There's no way it was that long ago. I mean, I was working at the time, it was one of my first big purchases. I was in my 20's...

Holy shit. :nailbiting::bag:
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yeah, makes you feel old eh?! me too...

even if it doesn't OC like people are expecting I think the 480 is going to be one of, if not the best "bang for buck" cards ever.
 
lazz said:
Well, I'm almost sad launch day is here tomorrow. This has been one of the most exciting GPU launch windows in recent memory. I don't think I've seen this kind of back and forth over an unreleased card since the 9700 Pro (which utterly dominated when it came out).
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Bro! At some point I want this to end lol. AMD has sure made every site popular in the last month lol. Truly good stuff but can't take no more.
 
pendragon1 said:
yeah, makes you feel old eh?! me too...

even if it doesn't OC like people are expecting I think the 480 is going to be one of, if not the best "bang for buck" cards ever.
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Of course it will.....and people like us can upgrade about 30% for 200 bucks....sell are old ones and were not out a hole lot out of pocket.....i bet our current cards can still sell for 100 pretty easy:)
 
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Looks like there are 7 different revisions to the chip, so yeah looks like they had some birthing problems......... (3 metal respins + 7 revisions)

This is from a retail board from some one who bought it at overclock.net

(coming soon unofficial)Polaris Owners Thread - Page 5

This explains the long delay time of first showing Polaris and its launch as well.
 
thingi said:
ahh those were the days, I remember getting a voucher for Half Life 2 with my 9600 (added after market ramsinks to it and fried the ram :( ) by the time HL2 was released I'd bought three gfx cards in the meantime lol!
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Oh man, same here. 9600XT. Traded card and a little cash for a 9700Pro... solid deal. I think I was on an X800XT by the time I actually got to cash in on that sweet voucher
 
Well that many revisions maybe both sides.... :unsure:

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More slides in the link.

They have a slide with color compression, they sure didn't get as much as nV with Pascal (well they improved by the same amount but starting off with a disadvantage to begin with so they are still behind). At least from their numbers.
 
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razor1 said:
Well that many revisions maybe both sides.... :unsure:

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More slides in the link.
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The interesting question is how much P10's delta compression means in real life? Because considering their Fiji numbers, i have a weird feeling that this 40% claimed improvement applies to best case scenario. Would be underwhelming if you ask me.
Also, the discard scaling is really weird, am i wrong?
 
lolfail9001 said:
The interesting question is how much P10's delta compression means in real life? Because considering their Fiji numbers, i have a weird feeling that this 40% claimed improvement applies to best case scenario. Would be underwhelming if you ask me.
Also, the discard scaling is really weird, am i wrong?
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yeah I don't think AMD has much choice with color compression but given nV already had a lead with it, AMD has stayed on par which is good maybe Vega will close the gap more.

On the discard scaling nah that looks about right the only one that would be off would be the 16 tris/px there is just less tris to cull so the performance gain should be less, also we have no idea what type of scenario this is in, and this is at x4AA, so we also don't know what performance increases are due to triangle discard and the hit reduction from AA with the different triangle amounts, again its not a straight forward way of showing things.

Edit looks like they kept the ACE's and HWS more like Fiji,

2 HWS's and 4 ACE's, interesting (this is the more programmability was talking about before taking up some transistors)
 
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I flashed a 9500 to 9700 and with a bit of an overclock it pulled 9700pro numbers... By far my best ATi/AMD GPU experience. It would be nice to do something comparable again.
 
Rvenger said:
Attributed partially to Glofo?
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Wouldn't be a surprise given GloFo track record. Even then, 3 base layer revision and 7 metal layer revision seems a lot.

Edit, if anyone like to chime in on stepping level, please do so, do like to learn more about it.
 
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from that link Razor posted........This one seems terribly low? wtf is it extreme or something?
 
The graphics score is good, 12,508 which is just below a stock gtx 980

he is using an i3 so combined score will be low
 
razor1 said:
The graphics score is good, 12,508 which is just below a stock gtx 980

he is using an i3 so combined score will be low
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lol i had no idea my old ass cpu boosted my score so high.....cause my combined is 8598...so i should be in the mid 12k's if i get the 480
 
they really have to change the title of that tread lol, but yeah, they seemed to keep up with changes Pascal did with color compression, hopefully, so the advantage that nV had with Maxwell's compression is still present. Which we just have to wait and see, Pascal was supposed to be much better too in the neighborhood of 1.7 to 2.25 times right?
 
razor1 said:
they really have to change the title of that tread lol, but yeah, they seemed to keep up with changes Pascal did with color compression, hopefully, so the advantage that nV had with Maxwell's compression is still present. Which we just have to wait and see, Pascal was supposed to be much better too in the neighborhood of 1.7 to 2.25 times right?
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Well, link i post shows it having worse color compression gain than 980, even. So changes Maxwell to Pascal are hardly that drastic.
 
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Looks like there are 7 different revisions to the chip, so yeah looks like they had some birthing problems......... (3 metal respins + 7 revisions)

This is from a retail board from some one who bought it at overclock.net

(coming soon unofficial)Polaris Owners Thread - Page 5

This explains the long delay time of first showing Polaris and its launch as well.
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I really doubt this thing was ever delayed. Launch in the dead middle of 2016 like they said and is launching as a super hard launch. Looks like plenty of supply. May be alot of revisions hopefully a few more so they can keep tweaking the 14nm process. Looks like they are working hard at it. if those rumors about early chips not hitting 850 were true I guess they have come a long distance to 1350 lol. So may be they have more room for improvement. Looking for positive things out of this. More competition is good!
 
NKD said:
I really doubt this thing was ever delayed. Launch in the dead middle of 2016 like they said and is launching as a super hard launch. Looks like plenty of supply. May be alot of revisions hopefully a few more so they can keep tweaking the 14nm process. Looks like they are working hard at it. if those rumors about early chips not hitting 850 were true I guess they have come a long distance to 1350 lol. So may be they have more room for improvement. Looking for positive things out of this. More competition is good!
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The only worrying part is how did they come to pass the 850Mhz, because C4 revision definitely could not get it right at first. If they did so at the cost of voltage scaling.... well, overclocking will get heat limited real quick, ha.
 
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The only worrying part is how did they come to pass the 850Mhz, because C4 revision definitely could not get it right at first. If they did so at the cost of voltage scaling.... well, overclocking will get heat limited real quick, ha.
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idk. Doesn't seem like it is using shit load of voltage. The positive is they got there quick. May be they are making improvements to get even better. Thats a plus to me. I doubt they got 500mhz just from voltage clock that is one hell of an overclock lol.
 
NKD said:
idk. Doesn't seem like it is using shit load of voltage. The positive is they got there quick. May be they are making improvements to get even better. Thats a plus to me. I doubt they got 500mhz just from voltage clock that is one hell of an overclock lol.
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It's not simply the voltage, it's the scaling, it's linear with frequency past certain mark.
 
you mean scaling with frequency before a certain mark lol?, that mark is when voltage has to be increased :)
 
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Maybe not on the first reviews but subsequent testing to find out the improvements or not on the Architecture changes would be very interesting. As in comparing to a 390 (if the performance is around the same that is) with like MSAA, Tesselation, Draw Calls etc. Mostly with current games. CFX will also come into play to use that 8gb and have any kind of useful performance, any improvements over a 390.

If the RX480 sits below the 980, I would expect it to surpass the 980 over time due to driver refinements and also AIB fine tuning getting the clock higher.
 
Is there actual AMD OCing software that is going to be released by AMD? Is it going to cover more than just Polaris GPU's? That to me is really cool stuff and more enthusiast level directed even if for a lower part.
 
noko said:
Is there actual AMD OCing software that is going to be released by AMD? Is it going to cover more than just Polaris GPU's? That to me is really cool stuff and more enthusiast level directed even if for a lower part.
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I mean, AMD/ATI had this overdrive thingy since... forever?
 
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