Our Daily Apple Hate Article

erexx said:
In my experience its the worst PC users that go to Apple.
Only to crash and burn there as well... but they feel better for it somehow.
Click to expand...

It's the "I spent a lot of money on this, so it must be good" syndrome.

"To understand a stable citizen, you have to know that modern man quite often tries to work off his frustrations by spending on self-sought gratification. Modern man is internally ready to fulfill his self-image, by purchasing products which compliment it." Ernest Dichter, the "father of motivational research."
 
kbrickley said:
I have never understood hating a company (other than Monsanto ... who really seems to deserve it) ... I use Intel exclusively for my chips (but I don't hate AMD), I use Microsoft exclusively for my OS and Office Suite (but I don't hate Linux or Google), I use an iPhone and iPad (but I don't hate Android or Microsoft ... the MS Surface has been very tempting though), I use Lenovo exclusively for laptops (but I don't hate other brands), and I am exclusively NVidia for GPUs (but I don't hate AMD here either) ... my choices don't invalidate other people's choices any more than their choices invalidate mine ... one size fits all is one size fits nobody and each person has different performance, support, or price needs that a single company cannot meet ... Namaste :cool:
Click to expand...

Agreed. I myself have owned 2 android phones and 3 iphones. I lean more toward iphone as I get a better experience overall. I do miss the level of tinkering I could do on my androids but as family and work keeps me busy, there really isn't as much time for that.

I only pick on my one friend for his phone choice, he has a windows phone. I just tease because I haven't used one and, well why not? lol.None of the smart phones have these amazing things that make them leagues better than the other, just a few gimmicks and pixels to set them apart.

People always fall into the 'my favorite consumer product I was sold, is better than yours!'. It helps people validate their purchases, kinda like coke/pepsi nike/reebok etc etc
 
Zarathustra[H];1041849675 said:
Apple has never "reinvented the world"

From day one their business model was to take something that someone else had already done, add polish and solid industrial design and sell it as "new and magical".

This is what they did with the original Mac in the 80's, (the concept of GUI computing was already developed by others at that time) this is what they did with the iPod (there were plenty of mp3 players on the market already) it's what they did when they introduced the iPad (far from the first tablet) and what they did just the other day when they added the keyboard to the iPad Pro.

Apples core strengths have never involved transformitive technology. They have involved repackaging other peoples transformitive technology in a sleek, beautiful and easy to use package (and then charging 3 times more than the original)

The only exception to this I can think of right now was the iPhone. It WAS the first real internet integrated consumer smartphone to hit the market in 2007. Sure, blackberries could email well, but thir browsers were god awful.

That being said, the iPhone wasn't "revolutionary". It was more evolutionary. Lots of phone makers were headed in that direction. Apple just beat them to it.
Click to expand...

When the Mac came out, nobody was selling PCs. Nobody was selling systems with a GUI for normal people to use. They may not have invented the GUI and the concept of the PC, but they were certainly the first to put the concepts into use. It was the same with PowerPC, though that didn't win in the PC market, PowerPC dominates servers, supercomputing and the embedded market to this day.
 
damicatz said:
Apple is an enemy of freedom. Anyone who supports them supports censorship and a future where some corporation, rather than the owner of the device, decides what can and cannot be installed on it. Apple has already used their "walled garden" to aid the Chinese government in human rights violations (e.g. censoring anything on Tibet, removing apps that circumvent the great firewall).
Click to expand...

lol ok
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
Well, I get that the don't always do things that people consider ethical, but Apple is a business entity and that means it has an order of priority in conducting operations. Economic and legal responsibilities come first (with economics arguably taking the lead even before the legality of its conduct) and playing second fiddle are ethical and discretionary social responsibilities. That's not like a CUG thing either. It's a model of business priorities conceptualized by someone named Archie Carroll.
Click to expand...

I don't give a fuck what some psuedointellectual corporate shill has to say. What you are advocating is called the Nuremberg defense (e.g. I was just following orders).

The first responsibility is to human rights. Not to profit. Profit does not give anyone the right to violate other people's rights. Google told China to take a fucking hike and their supply chain hasn't been disrupted.

At the premium that Apple charges, they should be manufacturing everything in the US anyways. If I pay $800 for a cell phone, it better damn well not be manufactured in a sweatshop located in a third-world communist dictatorship.
 
Jim Kim said:
It's the "I spent a lot of money on this, so it must be good" syndrome.

"To understand a stable citizen, you have to know that modern man quite often tries to work off his frustrations by spending on self-sought gratification. Modern man is internally ready to fulfill his self-image, by purchasing products which compliment it." Ernest Dichter, the "father of motivational research."
Click to expand...

Again, point me to the laptop with the same size, specs, form factor, battery life, screen quality, and engineering as the MacBook pro.

I'll wait.
 
rabidz7 said:
When the Mac came out, nobody was selling PCs. Nobody was selling systems with a GUI for normal people to use. They may not have invented the GUI and the concept of the PC, but they were certainly the first to put the concepts into use. It was the same with PowerPC, though that didn't win in the PC market, PowerPC dominates servers, supercomputing and the embedded market to this day.
Click to expand...

What do you mean no one was selling PCs? The PC came out several years before the Mac.

The PowerPC dominates nothing these days. It is all x86 now for servers. And Apple didn't even invent the PowerPC, that was mostly IBM and Motorola.
 
XvMMvX said:
Again, point me to the laptop with the same size, specs, form factor, battery life, screen quality, and engineering as the MacBook pro.

I'll wait.
Click to expand...

Define screen quality, engineering, and form factor in objective terms that can be measured.
 
I just started using apple products after years of frustration from terrible quality control from other companies. I used to be on the apple hate train because you really are paying an insane amount of money for mediocre hardware compared to what you can be buying.

But I'll tell ya, I'm glad I started using their laptops, they feel well made and sturdy and the screens are so nice to look at.

I still use my desktop PC to game and do some work on that requires a larger screen but I'm very pleased with my apple purchase
 
Bdonedge said:
I just started using apple products after years of frustration from terrible quality control from other companies. I used to be on the apple hate train because you really are paying an insane amount of money for mediocre hardware compared to what you can be buying.

But I'll tell ya, I'm glad I started using their laptops, they feel well made and sturdy and the screens are so nice to look at.

I still use my desktop PC to game and do some work on that requires a larger screen but I'm very pleased with my apple purchase
Click to expand...

Apple quality control :
rowofshame2ul.jpg

lol1qe.jpg


You're supposed to use a thin layer, not make a fucking peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
 
I think Apple under Jobs was successful because at that time they realized Apple was a really a fashion/luxury piece of tech rather than conventional computers or gadgets competing the usual way, e.g. more features or better specs. As a fashion item the specs are secondary, Apple can dismissively say "who needs a stylus?" and tell people what they want the same way Ralph Lauren can make people believe ridiculous clothes on a model runway are high fashion. Whether they were truly innovating or not, they were coming out with "new" products that were designed to look beautiful and make people want them. The same products might brutally flop (and did) if other companies tried something similar, like a phone with no buttons. (Which was actually already done...but not by Apple, so it wasn't fashionable.)

Now Apple seems to be back in the conventional "let's compete on the spec sheet" angle and the result is a "better stylus." Or a faster big iPhone. Or a watch delivered to market too late. It's not to say their products aren't actually good or useful, they just seem to have lost their edge in essentially dictating to consumers what they want or need.
 
Hypergreatthing said:
Their brand will only last until idiotic consumers realize they're not getting the value that they're paying for.
Click to expand...

That depends, if what you "value" is a spec sheet then you're correct to a point. Due to the differences in OS and Apple's use of custom hardware its not as simple as directly comparing specs like core count or camera resolution. If what you value is the ecosystem (which is similar to what console gamers value, they generally don't give a crap about the hardware in the console), then even I, as an Android user, can admit that Apple's ecosystem is quite polished based on my interactions with it.
 
Jim Kim said:
Sorry I kept you waiting. The Dell XPS 13.
Higher screen resolution, better screen quality, superior engineering, extraordinary form factor and total awesomeness.

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-13-9343-laptop/pd
Click to expand...

Time will tell with the superior engineering. Over the years we have sold a fair number of xps notebooks to clients who wanted something different then the latitude or precision models(or other nice business systems like the hp elitebook, panasonic toughbooks, etc). Most were 15 inch models though.The amount of xps systems that fail compared to dells business notebooks is insane. We've seen overheating issues in many models as well. This isn't to say apple hasn't had its share of problems as well.

We've easily sold 15x the number of latitudes though over the xps models and have had more issues with the xps ones.
 
damicatz said:
I don't give a fuck what some psuedointellectual corporate shill has to say. What you are advocating is called the Nuremberg defense (e.g. I was just following orders).

The first responsibility is to human rights. Not to profit. Profit does not give anyone the right to violate other people's rights. Google told China to take a fucking hike and their supply chain hasn't been disrupted.

At the premium that Apple charges, they should be manufacturing everything in the US anyways. If I pay $800 for a cell phone, it better damn well not be manufactured in a sweatshop located in a third-world communist dictatorship.
Click to expand...

Archie Carroll was actually the president of the Society for Business Ethics in 1998 and the objective of the society was/is to work toward ethical business conduct. It's more of an academic organization than a corporate one, but it does maintain a pretty realistic perspective about what a business does and what shareholders of a company expect. After all, the company ultimately works for its shareholders and is expected to turn a profit first. If business managers fail at doing that, they get fired. That's Apple's managers or those of any other company.

As for Google, their business model doesn't depend heavily on physical products and they aren't as bound to the global supply and production chain at Apple. Hardware production is the responsibility of third party corporations like Samsung, for instance. Google mostly supplies just the code for stuff in much the same way Microsoft does to PC OEMs. If China asks them to leave, they don't lose their manufacturing capacity.

As for Apple's prices, they're only charging what the market will bear in light of brand recognition and competitor substitute products. Consumers are to blame for that to an extent and their BOM, shipping, packaging, etc are to blame for the rest.

Like I said, it doesn't excuse the company for ethical violations, but as long as they're operating legally, there's nothing to be done about it. Certainly investing a lot of emotion into it isn't going to change anything and, if you take a peek at the responses you're getting from people, you might already have realized that opinions certainly aren't changing. I get it that it might still be worth doing to make yourself feel a little better and kinda get some emotion out of your system, but if you're actively seeking to make a difference, this isn't the best way to pursue that goal.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
Archie Carroll was actually the president of the Society for Business Ethics in 1998 and the objective of the society was/is to work toward ethical business conduct. It's more of an academic organization than a corporate one, but it does maintain a pretty realistic perspective about what a business does and what shareholders of a company expect. After all, the company ultimately works for its shareholders and is expected to turn a profit first. If business managers fail at doing that, they get fired. That's Apple's managers or those of any other company.

As for Google, their business model doesn't depend heavily on physical products and they aren't as bound to the global supply and production chain at Apple. Hardware production is the responsibility of third party corporations like Samsung, for instance. Google mostly supplies just the code for stuff in much the same way Microsoft does to PC OEMs. If China asks them to leave, they don't lose their manufacturing capacity.

As for Apple's prices, they're only charging what the market will bear in light of brand recognition and competitor substitute products. Consumers are to blame for that to an extent and their BOM, shipping, packaging, etc are to blame for the rest.

Like I said, it doesn't excuse the company for ethical violations, but as long as they're operating legally, there's nothing to be done about it. Certainly investing a lot of emotion into it isn't going to change anything and, if you take a peek at the responses you're getting from people, you might already have realized that opinions certainly aren't changing. I get it that it might still be worth doing to make yourself feel a little better and kinda get some emotion out of your system, but if you're actively seeking to make a difference, this isn't the best way to pursue that goal.
Click to expand...

This is probably the best post I have seen from you. Well done!
 
I love Apple products. They are excellent devices. Great MP3 players. Great phones. Great tablets. Great laptops.

I just am not much of a fan of their software. I liked my iPhone, but I wanted to do more. Android was very friendly in that I could root it and use custom ROM's and do what I wanted. I eventually went with a Windows Phone and am happy there. Still fairly locked down, but it works excellent and is very user friendly. I still love the iPhone 6, though. Excellent phone, and if I didn't like WP so much, I'd own an iPhone.

Tablets? From a strict tablet (not an all in one, not for desktop apps, etc.), the iPad is excellent. I use mine daily. The SP3 is an excellent tablet all-in-one, but it's designed to do so much more. It's more of an ultrabook that can be a tablet form factor.

MP3 players? There have been some great ones out there, but the iPod is great. Absolutely zero complaints.

I have no allegiance to any tech company. I'll use what fits my needs. Mostly Windows, but I have Apple devices. Other than the iPhone (4S), I've never been disappointed. I've gotten a great value from the products. I've gotten a lot of use from them (they don't sit on a shelf, etc.).

I don't like Apple much as a company and I surely don't like many of their followers.They aren't as innovative and revolutionary and magical as some claim. But, they do make great products.
 
Ur_Mom said:
I love Apple products. They are excellent devices. Great MP3 players. Great phones. Great tablets. Great laptops.

I just am not much of a fan of their software. I liked my iPhone, but I wanted to do more. Android was very friendly in that I could root it and use custom ROM's and do what I wanted. I eventually went with a Windows Phone and am happy there. Still fairly locked down, but it works excellent and is very user friendly. I still love the iPhone 6, though. Excellent phone, and if I didn't like WP so much, I'd own an iPhone.

Tablets? From a strict tablet (not an all in one, not for desktop apps, etc.), the iPad is excellent. I use mine daily. The SP3 is an excellent tablet all-in-one, but it's designed to do so much more. It's more of an ultrabook that can be a tablet form factor.

MP3 players? There have been some great ones out there, but the iPod is great. Absolutely zero complaints.

I have no allegiance to any tech company. I'll use what fits my needs. Mostly Windows, but I have Apple devices. Other than the iPhone (4S), I've never been disappointed. I've gotten a great value from the products. I've gotten a lot of use from them (they don't sit on a shelf, etc.).

I don't like Apple much as a company and I surely don't like many of their followers.They aren't as innovative and revolutionary and magical as some claim. But, they do make great products.
Click to expand...

I'm a hardware nerd. The Apple products that are actually user serviceable (yes, there are a few around, noshitiswear!) are decent stuff.

And I understand the "sexeh!" factor of some of the slim/light products.

But the thought of hardware I'm paying big money for being GLUED shut and all the components tacked/welded/soldered down and completely unable to be serviced or upgraded by the end user? Well, it makes me want to shoot people. :mad:

Their software...meh. User preference.

The biggest problem with Apple is their user community. But that's fodder for another conversation.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
Aw gee thanks! :D I try not to do that too often though. It totally ruins all the work I've spend years doing around here.
Click to expand...

You have a good post every once in a while. Your troll to good post ratio is still very good, though. At least 100:1... :D
 
Chas said:
Hey, you're the one with the big old "Butthurt" graphic.
Click to expand...

Actually, I'm not. But I do agree with it.


Anyone who goes on at length about how terrible Company is for taking a very niche, very clunky product category and figuring out how to make it a). profitable, b). palatable to the general consumer, and c). feels the need to work in a potshot at a dead man, is showing distinct symptoms of General Tso's Revenge.


It's a product. It's pretty good at what it does. It was mostly better than previous entries in it's category. It's pretty much on par with others in its competitors. It's sells for a price generally in line with its market segment. Those who buy it are making an adequately informed choice, based on their personal taste in functionality, UX, aesthetics, expectations of service, and -- yes -- marketing. Accept it and move on.

Christ, you'd think people had never seen pricing differentials before. Why not try having a go at something that actually is egregiously overpriced. How about AV receivers; do you think there's actually an order of magnitude difference in component cost between a $300 receiver and a $3000 one? Or, I know, cars. Quick, someone find me a picture of Calvin pissing on a [DOMESTIC CAR BRAND HERE] emblem!
 
XvMMvX said:
I missed the part where I called family/friends stupid for using a different technology than me.

I wouldn't have very much family/friends if I operated like some of you.
Click to expand...

Actually the irony is you first saying

"This is pretty much what your argument entails. STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE"

You're doing the exact same thing.

Also you posting the butthurt meter is also amazingly ironic. You seem more butthurt than the people you accuse. Your only counter argument is when someone is saying that Apple sucks is "show me something better than Apple". Someone in this thread already has, and there are MANY other examples out there.

"You also have no idea what I use or who I am." This is a sad and tired Internet cliche of saying "I know you are but what am I?"
 
I'm not sure why everyone here hates Apple. Technology wise their products are often times a year behind Android/PC but it's sort of irrelevant when they use a completely different OS. If you were to try and run Android on 1GB of ram these days it would be absolutely terrible where as the iPhone 5-6 all perform very well. Their software is tailor made to their hardware, so you'd have to compare literally every single metric in an apples to oranges type comparison.

Where you can compare is screen and battery life and on those fronts the iPhones do very well against their peers.

I personally like both Apple and Android phones for different reasons. I root and use various roms on my Android phones to tinker where as with my Apple phone it's a workhorse that never fails.
 
next-Jin said:
I'm not sure why everyone here hates Apple. Technology wise their products are often times a year behind Android/PC but it's sort of irrelevant when they use a completely different OS. If you were to try and run Android on 1GB of ram these days it would be absolutely terrible where as the iPhone 5-6 all perform very well. Their software is tailor made to their hardware, so you'd have to compare literally every single metric in an apples to oranges type comparison.

Where you can compare is screen and battery life and on those fronts the iPhones do very well against their peers.

I personally like both Apple and Android phones for different reasons. I root and use various roms on my Android phones to tinker where as with my Apple phone it's a workhorse that never fails.
Click to expand...

Now don't try and introduce logic and common sense (let alone balance) into one of these discussions ... there is no place for that here :cool:

Actually I usually believe in balance and have a foot in multiple camps ... I like my iPhone because it is generally idiot proof and does what I need it to do when I need it to do it ... I like my PC and wouldn't trade it for an Apple at all ... but I can see uses where other solutions meet other's needs (just not mine) ... unfortunately there are lots of other folks who can only see one solution and expect everyone to use that solution (and if they don't then they are the deficient ones) :)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top