1366 x58 Xeon Enthusiast overclocks club

For $189, I'd get the W3690 because you just might have an unlocked multiplier.

I personally don't think it's worth spending more than $100 on any of these, but everyone has their own personal spending limits.
 
chessmyantidrug said:
For $189, I'd get the W3690 because you just might have an unlocked multiplier.

I personally don't think it's worth spending more than $100 on any of these, but everyone has their own personal spending limits.
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Agreed.

For air, it would probably be limited by the cooling at anything over 4.5ghz even with the best chips.

With a good water setup, temps would probably be under control up to 1.45v or so.. But it'd probably need 1.4v+ to get much over 4.5ghz, then I'd worry about chip degradation.
 
Vlad_13 said:
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You don't mind if i quote your sig :p? I was curious how is 6GB of ram working out for you?(gaming wise) Did you ever ran in to stutter/caching problems in a past? (like there were not enough of RAM and system would page HDD)

I'm on the edge of buying another matched set of Dominators and debating with myself that 6GB is more than enough for today's games...
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I haven't yet run into RAM issues on that desktop, no. I don't play demanding modern games though, so I'm not sure how useful my experience is in this case.
 
Vlad_13 said:
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You don't mind if i quote your sig :p? I was curious how is 6GB of ram working out for you?(gaming wise) Did you ever ran in to stutter/caching problems in a past? (like there were not enough of RAM and system would page HDD)

I'm on the edge of buying another matched set of Dominators and debating with myself that 6GB is more than enough for today's games...
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I can jump in on this one. I have been on 6GB for the last 4-5 years and it was never ever a prob. Well, until GTAV launched this week that is, that game uses all 6GB and then some, and I was having some crashes early on until I really upped my VM/pagefile limits. Now I finally made the upgrade to 12GB. So, its possible with new games that 6GB will start to be on the edge of what is needed.
 
I ran 6GB for a little while because I was able to overclock my memory to 2050MHz, but my system wasn't nearly as smooth as it is with 12GB so I swallowed my pride and backed things down to a modest 1750MHz.
 
chessmyantidrug said:
I ran 6GB for a little while because I was able to overclock my memory to 2050MHz, but my system wasn't nearly as smooth as it is with 12GB so I swallowed my pride and backed things down to a modest 1750MHz.
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out of curiosity.....even that is somewhat overclocked...what settings need to be at what to overclock the ram?
 
Every RAM is different, but overclocking it is the same. It's all based on your base clock and RAM ratio. I had my base clock set to 205 and ratio set to 5:1 (effectively 10:1).
 
chessmyantidrug said:
Every RAM is different, but overclocking it is the same. It's all based on your base clock and RAM ratio. I had my base clock set to 205 and ratio set to 5:1 (effectively 10:1).
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well i wasn't sure if certain voltages helped stabilize oc the ram aside from the normal dram voltage
 
The only voltage I had to change was VTT. I have tried running 1.7 and 1.75, but it made little to no difference in how much further I can push my RAM. Mushkin says stock voltage for my kits is 1.65V. I haven't bothered trying to run it any lower.
 
chessmyantidrug said:
Every RAM is different, but overclocking it is the same. It's all based on your base clock and RAM ratio. I had my base clock set to 205 and ratio set to 5:1 (effectively 10:1).
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well i wasn't sure if certain voltages helped stabilize overclocking the ram aside from the normal dram voltage
 
Hi All

I joined the Xeon club a few weeks ago and am very happy with the results thus far. I just can't believe how well my old 6 year old PC is doing still today!

My issue is my overclocking skills are rubbish and I need some help.

Currently I've managed to get a stable 4.2GHZ overclock on my X5670 CPU @1.32 Vcore, 22 x 191 BCLK, but as soon as I try to push it to 4.4 or 4.5, things go wrong.

Here are my OC settings I've tried for 4.4GHZ which don't seem to work.

Overclock Settings for Xeon X5670 on Sabertooth X58 board. Kingston 24GB triple channel DDR3 - 1600 Ram (6 x 4GB).

Multiplier: 22
BCLK Freq: 200
PCIE Freq: 100
DRAM Freq: 1523
UCLK: Auto
QPI: Auto

CPU Voltage: 1.38 (Highest I went, didn't want to try anything higher than that!)
CPU PLL: Auto
QPI/DRAM Core Voltage: AUTO
DRAM Bus Voltage: 1.65
Everything else AUTO
Load Line Calibration is ON
PCIE Spread Spectrum is ON

It seems my CPU is very power hungry? I've seen others posting 4.4GHZ speeds on here with Vcore's at 1.35 and below? As I said earlier, I'm a novice at overclocking and don't know how to tweak things like PLL and QPI - I'm not sure what they do or what settings they need to be. I have the temperature headroom to push the Vcore a lot more (my H110i GT Watercooler keeps my 4.2GHZ overclock at 29 degrees idle, 49 degrees stressed) but am worried about damaging the CPU. I've got 4.4 to boot many times, but as soon as I run IBT, it craps itself after a minute or two. Also, my USB takes a hit after a crash at higher voltages and that scares the shit out of me. How do I fix the USB problems? I've read that maybe it's the 6 x 4GB sticks of RAM which may ask for a lot more voltage?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. My system specs are in my signature.

Thanks
 
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Not every processor is capable of reaching 4.4+GHz. You could be limited by a number of factors, mostly like heat being the main one. Try using 24x184.
 
chessmyantidrug said:
Not every processor is capable of reaching 4.4+GHz. You could be limited by a number of factors, mostly like heat being the main one. Try using 24x184.
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Thanks, although if you read my post, temperature is not a problem. Max I get on highest stress test is 48 degrees. When I've got 4.4 to work it goes to about 58 degrees. I don't think it's a temperature issue. But thanks for the advice.
 
Vlad_13 said:
You lazy people need to read the thread, you can find a lot of useful info here ;)

Anyway, check here.
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I appreciate the link but lazy? Lazy? Wow. That was a little bit uncalled for don't you think? Does a lazy person type up a few hundred words detailing the exact problem he or she is facing? I read many, many of the posts on this topic trying to find someone with a similar problem and didn't come across the link you sent as I do not have the luxury of reading for hours on end. Maybe your social skills allow you to sit around by yourself reading forum posts for hours on end? I'm new to overclocking. Just like you were 100 hundred years ago when you were born into the Einstein family. See what I'm doing here? Making assumptions about you. Feels good eh? Lazy. Pffft. If you don't want to help, don't bother. I'm sure there are others here who would be willing to repeat what they've said countless times to noobs. I know, because that's what I do regarding subjects I know a lot about.
 
Wow! Wow! Did not mean to offend you! Easy, I'll say no more! I keep forgetting that internet is full of people very sensitive to words. Your not lazy you are a super worker bee man person guy that wants to overclock x5670 processor!

I hope this post will fix things!
 
If temperatures aren't limiting you, then voltage is limiting you. I suggested a multiplier and base clock. Try those, alter voltages as needed.

Also, overclocking isn't a skill. It's a matter of trial and error.
 
man_bites_dog said:
Thanks, although if you read my post, temperature is not a problem. Max I get on highest stress test is 48 degrees. When I've got 4.4 to work it goes to about 58 degrees. I don't think it's a temperature issue. But thanks for the advice.
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If it takes 1.325v to get 4.2 stable then you may need around 1.4v+ to get 4.4 stable. Only one chip out of the five I've had is able to do 4.4 at 1.325v, and 4.2 only needs around 1.25v.

You can also try bumping up the PLL to 1.9 (no higher!) and see if that helps. Also make sure to set all your voltages manually to spec, any voltages on auto can cause issues.

I wouldn't go above 1.35v for 24/7 use unless you don't care about the chip. If you are stable now, you may be able to get 4.3 out of 1.35v, it will take some trial and error.
 
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I just got a x5670 to replace my i7-920

I'm wondering if its the chip or board that's holding me back. Running MSI x58m with latest bios to add xenon support. I had my 920 @ 3.8 with a tiny voltage bump to vcore and that's it everything else auto.

the x5670 i cant get above 3.6. My uncore ratio is locked, not sure if it was with the 920
BLCK:166
Memory Ratio:5
DRAM Freq:1660
Uncore Freq: 3320
Vcore:1.248
PLL:1.70
DRAM:1.57

i cant get 3.8 stable even up to 1.3 vcore. If i try and use x23 multi, it doesn't hold once in windows, stays @ 22
 
dezertrat said:
I just got a x5670 to replace my i7-920

I'm wondering if its the chip or board that's holding me back. Running MSI x58m with latest bios to add xenon support. I had my 920 @ 3.8 with a tiny voltage bump to vcore and that's it everything else auto.

the x5670 i cant get above 3.6. My uncore ratio is locked, not sure if it was with the 920
BLCK:166
Memory Ratio:5
DRAM Freq:1660
Uncore Freq: 3320
Vcore:1.248
PLL:1.70
DRAM:1.57

i cant get 3.8 stable even up to 1.3 vcore. If i try and use x23 multi, it doesn't hold once in windows, stays @ 22
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try 1.35 vcore, 1.35QPI, 1.9PLL, 191 BLCK, 22multi, CSTATES off, all spread spectrum off, c1e off, speedstep off, 1.65 dram, all unused internal devices like marvel controller off, IOH 1.25, PCI-E: 1.51v......see how that goes and get back to us.....should be a very easy 4.2ghz
 
dezertrat said:
I just got a x5670 to replace my i7-920

I'm wondering if its the chip or board that's holding me back. Running MSI x58m with latest bios to add xenon support. I had my 920 @ 3.8 with a tiny voltage bump to vcore and that's it everything else auto.

the x5670 i cant get above 3.6. My uncore ratio is locked, not sure if it was with the 920
BLCK:166
Memory Ratio:5
DRAM Freq:1660
Uncore Freq: 3320
Vcore:1.248
PLL:1.70
DRAM:1.57

i cant get 3.8 stable even up to 1.3 vcore. If i try and use x23 multi, it doesn't hold once in windows, stays @ 22
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You may have trouble getting stable voltages with that board as it only has 6 phases available to the CPU. 4ghz should be possible. 4.2 might be pushing it, and it would probably put a lot of stress on the board, you might end up with a blown vrm down the road. I'd keep vcore under 1.3 if you want to try to avoid this, I don't think the board was really designed with 6 core CPU's in mind. Even on my Asrock x58 Extreme has 8 phases and I can hear the vrms working very hard at 4.2ghz/1.325v when fully loaded.

First thing you might want to do is get that uncore under 3000mhz, start with the dram at 1333 by just taking the memory and uncore out of the equation, you can tweak those once you get the CPU overclock stable.

I'd also advise that you take all the voltages out of auto and set them to spec. With that board it sounds like it doesn't fully support the Xeon as it sounds like your uncore ratio is working like it is a Bloomfield (2x the ram speed, instead of 1.5x like gulftown/westmere should support).
 
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tbob22 said:
If it takes 1.325v to get 4.2 stable then you may need around 1.4v+ to get 4.4 stable. Only one chip out of the five I've had is able to do 4.4 at 1.325v, and 4.2 only needs around 1.25v.

You can also try bumping up the PLL to 1.9 (no higher!) and see if that helps. Also make sure to set all your voltages manually to spec, any voltages on auto can cause issues.

I wouldn't go above 1.35v for 24/7 use unless you don't care about the chip. If you are stable now, you may be able to get 4.3 out of 1.35v, it will take some trial and error.
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Thanks so much for the advice. I think I'm going to just leave it at 4.2 and be happy. No need to try and be greedy and ruin my CPU.
 
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tbob22 said:
You may have trouble getting stable voltages with that board as it only has 6 phases available to the CPU.[/I]
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Tbob, that's valuable advice. I didn't realise that overclocking put a lot of stress on the board. Does you advice above also hold true for my board - an ASUS Sabertooth X58? Should I be worried about the long term effects on it? Running my CPU at 4.2 at 1.325V.

Thanks
 
tbob22 said:
You may have trouble getting stable voltages with that board as it only has 6 phases available to the CPU. 4ghz should be possible. 4.2 might be pushing it, and it would probably put a lot of stress on the board, you might end up with a blown vrm down the road. I'd keep vcore under 1.3 if you want to try to avoid this, I don't think the board was really designed with 6 core CPU's in mind. Even on my Asrock x58 Extreme has 8 phases and I can hear the vrms working very hard at 4.2ghz/1.325v when fully loaded.

First thing you might want to do is get that uncore under 3000mhz, start with the dram at 1333 by just taking the memory and uncore out of the equation, you can tweak those once you get the CPU overclock stable.

I'd also advise that you take all the voltages out of auto and set them to spec. With that board it sounds like it doesn't fully support the Xeon as it sounds like your uncore ratio is working like it is a Bloomfield (2x the ram speed, instead of 1.5x like gulftown/westmere should support).
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Thanks, ill try that stuff out, worst case ill put the 920 back in and run that until i want to upgrade.
 
man_bites_dog said:
Tbob, that's valuable advice. I didn't realise that overclocking put a lot of stress on the board. Does you advice above also hold true for my board - an ASUS Sabertooth X58? Should I be worried about the long term effects on it? Running my CPU at 4.2 at 1.325V.

Thanks
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Your board should be fine, from what I understand the Sabertooth has stronger phases compared to most boards, so it would be like having 12 or more on cheaper boards. :)

Of course it is hard to prove that more phases equal better overclocking without a direct comparison. Comparing my P6T Deluxe v2 (16 phase) to the Asrock X58 Extreme (8 phase), I notice that the Asus requires .025v less on average at high overclocks (4ghz+).

On my old P55/I7 860 setup 4ghz was not possible with my GA-P55-USB3 (6 phase) due to heat, but was no problem with my GA-P55A-UD4P (12 phase) at a much lower voltage.
 
tbob22 said:
Even if you can only hit 3.6ghz stable or something it'd still be better than the [email protected] in the long run. Plus you can probably get $50 from that 920. :)
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Thanks for the help, running @ 3.8 pretty stable now, but hot ~ 80+C full load, this is an "A" chip so seems in line with some other posters. Ill upgrade the fans on my H50 to push pull and see if that helps
 
dezertrat said:
Thanks for the help, running @ 3.8 pretty stable now, but hot ~ 80+C full load, this is an "A" chip so seems in line with some other posters. Ill upgrade the fans on my H50 to push pull and see if that helps
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Sounds good. Yeah those A chips are pretty hard to cool. I'm using one in my Asrock and it is 5c+ hotter than my B chip at the same speed/voltage.
 
when you refer to the A chips you meaning the revision correct?
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After 4ghz, diminishing returns are the real bottleneck that people don't understand.

I realized very early in the day, that after hitting 4ghz on my P4, clockspeed stopped mattering as much as having extra cores /w HT did.

The only thing that gives an edge to a newer quad i7, is the instruction sets, but since they won't matter in games for the foreseeable future, nobody cares.

Picking up a new quad i7 as opposed to picking up a hexacore with your x58 is dumb as heck.

I used to fall into all that marketing hype, the reality is that all that is bullcrap. If you're smart about the type of hardware you buy, when you buy it, new/used....you can walk away with an excellent system for the price that will last you a long time, a much longer time than some other guy that doesn't really know what's he's doing.

Buying a new quad core i7 at this point in time is throwing away your money. And guess what? Intel are laughing at you in secret. They're selling you a QUAD core, and you're paying that "it's all new high end tech price*. This is where the most money is made, on poor saps thinking a Quad core i7 is a good buy right now, lol.


Some guy from some thread that I can't remember of right now said something, and it stuck with me. He said that his westmere processor is the speed at which his i7 950 should have been. I agree with that. When I got my first gen i7 system with my 950, the processor didn't even feel like a justified upgrade from my Q6600 system. When I think back on it, the 950 was basically a Q6600 with a slightly higher OC headroom & hyperthreading. Yes you get slight subtleties like USB3.0 and a better sata port IIRC with the newer boards, but again, who cares ?

The true upgrades i've experienced in my life the past couple of years, is more physical cores, SSD, and multiple card GPU setups. These upgrades were the best price/performance. Everything else either didn't matter or was a sidegrade.

I stopped caring about stuff like 3dmark when it burnt one of my graphics card a long time ago. Synthetic benchmarks != real game performance, we all know that. Those programs are usually rigged anyways.

The man wants you to go Amazon, and buy a brand new Quad core i7 system. Tell the man, actually show the man, you're smarter. Find a used x58 board, and a well priced hexacore and call it a day. You will sleep proud knowing that you're now apart of the legendary x58 chipset.

The only system I would buy brand-new right now is a 5820K (minimum), but that's if I didn't have my x58 and had money to blow.

People here seem to forget/not understand that the PC hardware enthusiast market is intertwined with the Console market. The newest generation console systems, use an 8 core processor (non-hyperthreaded). A lot of games are going to be coming that are ported from one platform to the other. Cross platform games are the new "IT THING"...they are the future.

Quad cores, pshhh get with the times



TLDR
Quad core i7 = :mad:

Hexacore i7 = :cool:
 
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I don't know why you continue to rant about whatever it is you're ranting about. You're literally preaching to the choir.

Consoles have had multi-core CPUs for several years now. The PS3 basically had a hexacore processor. Game developers have been porting for longer than X58 has been around. I really don't know what point you're trying to make with that.

And once again, enthusiast parts are for enthusiasts, which is an extreme minority of the market. The vast majority of end users are just fine with a quad core, including gamers.

Now can you please stop these senseless tirades? At the very least, take them to a different thread/forum/website. You're just wasting your time and ours by posting it in this thread.
 
horrorshow said:
I'm on first gen architecture too man but what you're saying here is just... not true.

Case in point:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8426/the-intel-haswell-e-cpu-review-core-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-tested/2

It's all about the IPC these days.
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The extra two cores more than make up for the IPC difference in applications that can use them, assuming that you are overclocking a fair amount.

According to Cinebench 15, a 4.4ghz x56xx is equivalent to a 5ghz 4790k or a 4960x at the stock 3.6ghz. This almost directly transfers over to Photoshop and most content creation applications. While most games still aren't well multi-threaded, that is slowly changing.
 
Lets all be nice people.....use the ignore button if it comes down to it......truth be told were all never going to agree on everything and at this point it could land infractions if certain post are perceived as personal attacks even if it was not the intention of the person making the post.

Now moving along.....i think its so cool all the stuff i have learned from all the different people sharing there knowledge in certain subjects so keep the good info coming;)

Anyways i been helping an old friend upgrade his pc (one i actually built for him bout 6 years ago) and was thinking he could benefit from a hexacore as well. A Thought entered my mind to sell him my 5670 for current market value and move up to a x5680. Anyone here had a chance to play around with one? I wonder if i get 200 more in clockspeed with same voltage? I admit its probably not a huge value at what there going for but i always love trying new stuff and unless this board catches fire im not changing sockets any time soon especially with dx 12 games coming sooner or latter.:D

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-...796?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2edfeb8504
looks like it would be around 75 to upgrade chips after selling current one and at least on this one it appears to be the hotter "A" series batch? I don't think i even checked on the one im currently using, but im guessing "b" since its always been on the cool side. let me know if i completely misunderstood the subject lol Lastly the 5680 is is high as they go or they have better?
 
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If you want an X5680, you might as well go for a W3680 and hope your motherboard says it has an unlocked multiplier. And no, the X5680 is not the highest. There's the X5690 and W3690.
 
primetime said:
Lets all be nice people.....use the ignore button if it comes down to it......truth be told were all never going to agree on everything and at this point it could land infractions if certain post are perceived as personal attacks even if it was not the intention of the person making the post.
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That certainly was not my intention heh.

We're all Nehalem here :)

I was just contributing to the conversation etc.
 
chessmyantidrug said:
If you want an X5680, you might as well go for a W3680 and hope your motherboard says it has an unlocked multiplier. And no, the X5680 is not the highest. There's the X5690 and W3690.
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Thank you.....that's the info I was wondering about and that w3680 is still a xeon as well but i guess the main difference of the w36 models is they can only be used in single socket boards? they appear about the same price so if it was indeed unlocked multi it would be so awesome. course a 25 non turbo multi can go a long way by itself compared to my 22 im using now.
 
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