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[heatlesssun]

You're not making any sense again. Office is needed only for scripted homebrew monstrosities. A large file can be just simple data. For example customer sends his price catalog of 120 000 items, dumped out of SAP.

I have no problem with LibreOffice and have no problem recommending to people where I think it will work for. But you're overselling it. If LibreOffice did everything that Office did except what you're describing then there'd be no reason for anyone to use Office under any other circumstances. Even people like me personally. I have not personal need for what you're describing. One big hiccup in your generalization for me is that LibreOffice has like zero touch support.

Never mind doing anything productive. Simply trying to read and flick scrolling through documents in LibreOffice just doesn't work on Windows tablets. And it's easy to say "So what" but it's these kinds of these that add up for a lot of FOSS software. This doesn't work. The that doesn't work. Oh and why is this document screwed up because someone did something in Office that isn't supported in LibreOffice. Like all of the ink is gone.

Free is great and if that works for you then of course that's the best option. I think trying to sell something well beyond it's capabilities is only a disservice to those who actually are willing to put in the effort to deliver a solid product.

 

[MrCrispy]

Office web apps are free. Office on WP, Android, iOS is free. Office works on tablets and phones. Office syncs across all these devices.

The free alternatives do none of this. I say once again - the best option for people is to use Office/OneDrive for document storage (unless you have no Internet access or really hate MS), and then you can also use a free Office alternative for local editing of your synced data if you really want to.

 

[B00nie]

I have no problem with LibreOffice and have no problem recommending to people where I think it will work for. But you're overselling it. If LibreOffice did everything that Office did except what you're describing then there'd be no reason for anyone to use Office under any other circumstances. Even people like me personally. I have not personal need for what you're describing. One big hiccup in your generalization for me is that LibreOffice has like zero touch support.

Never mind doing anything productive. Simply trying to read and flick scrolling through documents in LibreOffice just doesn't work on Windows tablets. And it's easy to say "So what" but it's these kinds of these that add up for a lot of FOSS software. This doesn't work. The that doesn't work. Oh and why is this document screwed up because someone did something in Office that isn't supported in LibreOffice. Like all of the ink is gone.

Free is great and if that works for you then of course that's the best option. I think trying to sell something well beyond it's capabilities is only a disservice to those who actually are willing to put in the effort to deliver a solid product.

I'm just saying it has worked for me great - and I refuse to use any Office version since the introduction of the ribbon interface. For that reason alone I'm sticking to Libre.

 

[heatlesssun]

I'm just saying it has worked for me great - and I refuse to use any Office version since the introduction of the ribbon interface. For that reason alone I'm sticking to Libre.

And I'm sure LibreOffice can work for a lot of people. But if it were like you're describing it, no one would pay for Office, at least many fewer would.

 

[Unknown-One]

You're not making any sense whatsoever. Libreoffice is no more large than MS office the only difference is that you get it for free.

I made perfect sense, you're simply not reading.

I said BOTH LibreOffice and MS Office are huge installs that are massive overkill for casual users. You somehow keep missing (or willfully ignoring) that point.

What's your option then, not open the files at all? LOL!

Uh, no... I already told you what my option is. Casual users get-along just fine opening files with the web-apps.

And Libreoffice works just fine without the java by the way.

I never said it didn't, I said Java is required for certain features of Libre Office. Still 100% true, and still 100% shitty.

HDD space is dirt cheap these days you must be joking to worry about a couple of gigs.

You still have yet to give me a reason why I'd want to install any kind of office suite, as a casual user. Why bother installing anything?

I don't see what the problem is. Office web version is almost fully feature complete and same as the desktop edition, its not some very feature limited editor like Google docs.

He's saying he just wants to open his office docs in the web apps, which are free, have tons more features, have zero install, and in addition have sync integration with OneDrive. You'd have to be crazy to use something like LibreOffice which has zero benefits in comparison.

Bingo! This guy gets it!

 

[Unknown-One]

Web apps? Oh yes I can see how convenient it is to upload your multi-megabyte files to onedrive first, then edit them and download them back lol.

Why are your word documents multiple gigabytes in size?

Why would any individual Office document of a casual user (remember, we're talking about casuals here) be multiple gigabytes in size? This is not a common scenario and would almost never come-up as an issue for most users.

You're throwing out a weird unrealistic edge-case to try and discredit all usages of the product. Your strawman argument is woefully transparent.

You're not making any sense again. Office is needed only for scripted homebrew monstrosities. A large file can be just simple data. For example customer sends his price catalog of 120 000 items, dumped out of SAP.

No, you're not reading again.

We're talking about casual users... casual users don't deal with 3GB SAP dumps. Your examples do not apply to the needs of the group of users we're discussing.

I have 140/40Mb/s connection so it might even be usable but most probably don't.

Most people open Word documents that are less than 1 megabyte in size. A regular home DSL line is fine...

As others have mentioned, even when working with very large files, there isn't a whole lot of raw data transfer that needs to take place after the initial sync. File deltas generally aren't that big, especially not for what casuals generally do in Office.

I see the ability to handle your files locally as a huge benefit in comparison.

And Office web-apps don't prevent you from doing that!

Once your PC is signed into SkyDrive, you can keep replicas of select folders on your local machine and edit them with the local editor of your choice. SkyDrive will automatically keep all of your devices synced (as well as keep a copy on Microsoft's servers for editing in the web-apps).

But again, why would I bother installing a local editor, as a casual user? Where's the benefit?

 

[B00nie]

Uh, no... I already told you what my option is. Casual users get-along just fine opening files with the web-apps.

Having to upload your file to onedrive and 'casual' are paradoxical in the same sentence FFS!

I never said it didn't, I said Java is required for certain features of Libre Office. Still 100% true, and still 100% shitty.

I'll tell you what's shitty. Ribbon interface. THAT's shitty! lol. Libreoffice is excellent for the price.

You still have yet to give me a reason why I'd want to install any kind of office suite, as a casual user. Why bother installing anything?

So you can edit your _local_ files perhaps?

 

[B00nie]

Most people open Word documents that are less than 1 megabyte in size. A regular home DSL line is fine...

As others have mentioned, even when working with very large files, there isn't a whole lot of raw data transfer that needs to take place after the initial sync. File deltas generally aren't that big, especially not for what casuals generally do in Office.


And Office web-apps don't prevent you from doing that!

Once your PC is signed into SkyDrive, you can keep replicas of select folders on your local machine and edit them with the local editor of your choice. SkyDrive will automatically keep all of your devices synced (as well as keep a copy on Microsoft's servers for editing in the web-apps).

But again, why would I bother installing a local editor, as a casual user? Where's the benefit?

OMG you're just so far out there. I can't imagine anything more inconvenient and clunkier than to have to upload even megabyte size files to a cloud drive just to open them for viewing or edit them.

That's a stupendously bad way to operate. I can open, view, edit and save a file using a local app faster than you even manage to upload it - and what if you have a dozen files to check quickly? Yep, waiting, waiting... tick tock.

Also there's nothing I hate more than some automated 'cloud sync' stealing my bandwith on random hours. If you happen to play a FPS for example you really do not want any 'cloud sync' start pushing your files up or down. Note that it doesn't have to be you but your spouse, kid or a kids friend borrowing the WLAN. Horrible, horrible idea the whole thing.

 

[Unknown-One]

Having to upload your file to onedrive and 'casual' are paradoxical in the same sentence FFS!

How so? It's transparent to the user.

They open the web-app, they make a document, they save the document, it's on OneDrive AND synced to their PC(s). No need to install anything, no need to deal with updates, no need to kart files around by hand, etc.

OneDrive (and its bundled Office web-apps) and 'casual' sound like they go hand-in-hand to me. Where's the paradox?

I'll tell you what's shitty. Ribbon interface. THAT's shitty! lol. Libreoffice is excellent for the price.

That's a matter of personal preference, most casual users get along better with the ribbon than the old list-menu system last-seen in Office 2003.

And the price is irrelevant, as BOTH office products being discussed are totally free. I find the Office web-apps to be exceedingly excellent for the price

So you can edit your _local_ files perhaps?

This has already been explained to you. OneDrive cloud storage is automatically kept in-sync with local storage. Local documents are ALREADY online and ready to be edited by the Office web-apps.

This is a great setup for casual users:
- Nothing to install.
- No software updates.
- Files automatically backed-up to cloud storage.
- Files automatically synced to the local-storage of all associated devices.

And if you need offline editing, there are free versions of Office products (word, excel, powerpoint, onenote) for mobile platforms (Windows Phone, Android, iOS, and soon Windows 8.x / Windows RT).

Seriously, why on earth would I ever want to bother with LibreOffice as a casual user? What's the argument?

 

[ManofGod]

Well, I have went ahead and installed it as a dual boot on my Windows 8.1 build at work. Fast boot had to be disabled and Windows 8.1 has to be set as the default boot device. If either of these things are not set correctly, the computer will go into a spontaneous boot loop at the pre OS loading part.

This rather makes sense and it appears that the UEFI firmware on my mainboard will need to be updated. I am going to report these problems. It is definitely worth taking the time to do this. B00nie, just stop, please, before you continue embarrassing yourself, just stop.

 

[Unknown-One]

OMG you're just so far out there. I can't imagine anything more inconvenient and clunkier than to have to upload even megabyte size files to a cloud drive just to open them for viewing or edit them.

Nothing inconvenient or clunky about it. Happens 100% automatically in the background, totally transparent to the user.

As an added bonus, the file is backed-up to the cloud and synced locally to my other PC's. Seriously, where's the down-side here?

Again, these are casual users (the same people who always forget to back-up their files). Having them keep things synced to the cloud and/or multiple machines is a great idea.

That's a stupendously bad way to operate. I can open, view, edit and save a file using a local app faster than you even manage to upload it - and what if you have a dozen files to check quickly? Yep, waiting, waiting... tick tock.

First-off, the Office web-apps are plenty fast. You can be viewing a folder full of documents on OneDrive and just middle-click a bunch of them to launch them in separate tabs.

Tab between the now-open documents as quickly as you please

Also, this isn't really a casual-usage scenario. Not really relevant to the current discussion.

Also there's nothing I hate more than some automated 'cloud sync' stealing my bandwith on random hours. If you happen to play a FPS for example you really do not want any 'cloud sync' start pushing your files up or down.

Read up on how OneDrive works. Other network traffic takes priority. It wont screw with your games.

Note that it doesn't have to be you but your spouse, kid or a kids friend borrowing the WLAN. Horrible, horrible idea the whole thing.

Now you're reaching. You're trying to make the argument that Office web-apps are "bad" because someone else who's actively trying to do work on their respective PC might cause you the slightest blip of lag in your game. Do you realize how ridiculous that argument is?

Did you not read the bit about file-deltas being used, not whole-files? We're talking about casual users here, they make a few edits and save (constituting a few kilobytes of uploaded-data). Unless said-user forces otherwise, this data is spooned out slowly so as not to disrupt general network traffic. If your router falls flat on its ass because of such a TINY bit of extra network traffic, you have other problems. Basically, this is a non-issue, ESPECIALLY for casual users.

 

[InternationalHat]

Is Win10 it still shaping up to be a let-down?

I'm planning on waiting for the first service pack as usual, but if they drop the price to $20-30 because of bad review to get people to buy it like Win8 I'll probably pick up a key and just hold on to it.

Realistically, my expectations are so low that I'm sure I'll be fine with it. I've managed to mostly avoid metro on 8.1 and I've finally gotten used to the clusterfuck of a control panel mess they caused by scattering settings everywhere.

 

[Tsumi]

I would think that they would do the usual $15 upgrade/$40 retail (or some other steep discount close to those numbers) as they did with previous versions of Windows for the first few months. Then jack up the prices to be the same as they are now.

 

[rudy]

Who says windows 10 is shaping up to a be a let down? From all I can see its a repeat of windows 7, fairly positive attitude from a lot of people. Second windows being a let down has never had a single influence on any way for the way MS prices the OS. All they do is take the feedback into the next OS.

 

[B00nie]

Nothing inconvenient or clunky about it. Happens 100% automatically in the background, totally transparent to the user.

So if I load a file off a friends or customers USB drive it's already in Onedrive without me noticing? I HIGHLY doubt it lol.

Stop the fairy tales already.

 

[CrimsonKnight13]

So if I load a file off a friends or customers USB drive it's already in Onedrive without me noticing? I HIGHLY doubt it lol.

Stop the fairy tales already.

Stop the trolling

He's talking about the fact that IF you create a document on a local OneDrive folder & continue to save to it locally, it will in fact actually keep saving to the cloud w/o you having to do anything. It works the same as Dropbox or Box but instead of a third-party app, it's built-in to Windows already.

 

[Ur_Mom]

So if I load a file off a friends or customers USB drive it's already in Onedrive without me noticing? I HIGHLY doubt it lol.

No, of course not. Who would want to do that? Security fuck up, big time.

Copy it to your Docs folder (or OneDrive folder or wherever). It's local and synced to OneDrive. It syncs with OneDrive automatically and in the background. I can move a file there, and in seconds, I can open it on my phone or other laptop, too.

 

[Unknown-One]

So if I load a file off a friends or customers USB drive it's already in Onedrive without me noticing? I HIGHLY doubt it lol.

Stop the fairy tales already.

You you intentionally misunderstanding? I mean, first off, why would the file be on a flash drive in the first place? If the user created said file in the Office web-app then it's already on their local drive, and all of your other PC's local drives... there'd be no need for a flash drive, which was clearly the point I was making.

If you were given a flash drive with files already on it, fair enough, copy the file you want to edit to your OneDrive Documents folder (the one on your local machine) and then fire up the web-app to start editing.
This isn't rocket science, and it doesn't negate all of the previously-mentioned benefits of having casual users just use web apps for editing the occasional document. Also consider: not having a locally-installed editor for these file formats might also save the user from malicious files.

After everything you've said, still not seeing a reason to locally install an office suite (+ dependencies) for most casual users.

 

[B00nie]

No, of course not. Who would want to do that? Security fuck up, big time.

Copy it to your Docs folder (or OneDrive folder or wherever). It's local and synced to OneDrive. It syncs with OneDrive automatically and in the background. I can move a file there, and in seconds, I can open it on my phone or other laptop, too.

What makes it a security fuck up? How are you going to do your job if you can't accept the needed files from your client? lol!

 

[B00nie]

You you intentionally misunderstanding? I mean, first off, why would the file be on a flash drive in the first place? If the user created said file in the Office web-app then it's already on their local drive, and all of your other PC's local drives... there'd be no need for a flash drive, which was clearly the point I was making.

If you were given a flash drive with files already on it, fair enough, copy the file you want to edit to your OneDrive Documents folder (the one on your local machine) and then fire up the web-app to start editing.
This isn't rocket science, and it doesn't negate all of the previously-mentioned benefits of having casual users just use web apps for editing the occasional document.

After everything you've said, still not seeing a reason to locally install an office suite (+ dependencies) for most casual users.

You make the false assumption that users have a onedrive documents folder to begin with. I don't - and a gazillion others surely do not either. I would not, for the life of me, want to store anything remotely confidential on a Microsoft hosted server! The security track record is just too overwhelming.

 

[Unknown-One]

You make the false assumption that users have a onedrive documents folder to begin with.

No false assumption was made. If you're using the Office web-apps as I've suggested, you already have a OneDrive. They are the same service, and you cannot have one without the other.

Windows has come with the OneDrive sync-service built-in since 8.0 (and is available as a download for Windows Vista and Windows 7). This is pretty much a non-issue.

I would not, for the life of me, want to store anything remotely confidential on a Microsoft hosted server! The security track record is just too overwhelming.

This is not a valid point of argument without supporting evidence. Blind accusations and fear-mongering will get you nowhere and do nothing to further your side of the debate.

 

[Tsumi]

You make the false assumption that users have a onedrive documents folder to begin with. I don't - and a gazillion others surely do not either. I would not, for the life of me, want to store anything remotely confidential on a Microsoft hosted server! The security track record is just too overwhelming.

You make it sound like it's very difficult to get a OneDrive account, but all it takes is some typing and some clicking.

Also, the casual user won't be working with confidential documents, at least not where they would be using their private OneDrive account. And if they were, it would be local company intranet storage at most. Most companies have very strict policies about these kinds of things. But again, we're not talking about an employee, who would be using the company supplied Office software anyways.

Keep trying to dig yourself into a deeper hole.

 

[Unknown-One]

You make it sound like it's very difficult to get a OneDrive account, but all it takes is some typing and some clicking.

To add to the above, anyone who has a Microsoft account of ANY kind already has a OneDrive and access to Office web apps.

Ever log into a Windows 8.x computer (default option is using or creating a new Microsoft account)? Ever sign up for a Live ID? .net Passport? Xbox Live account? Xbox Music Pass? Hotmail account? Outlook account? The list goes on, and on, and they all automatically land you with a Microsoft Account with an associated OneDrive, Outlook inbox, and Office web-apps.

Also, the casual user won't be working with confidential documents, at least not where they would be using their private OneDrive account. And if they were, it would be local company intranet storage at most. Most companies have very strict policies about these kinds of things. But again, we're not talking about an employee, who would be using the company supplied Office software anyways.

Even if we're talking about employee, any company worth their salt will have a Sharepoint server with company-hosted versions of the Office web-apps for online document editing all within the company IT infrastructure. Still no reason for said employe, working remotely, to have Office installed for casual editing.

 

[SuperSubZero]

You make the false assumption that users have a onedrive documents folder to begin with. I don't - and a gazillion others surely do not either. I would not, for the life of me, want to store anything remotely confidential on a Microsoft hosted server! The security track record is just too overwhelming.

I'm not knowledged on OneDrive's security track record. Could you enlighten me?

There's a trade-off to convenience vs. security with the cloud. Many people and companies are willing to put a little risk into storage of their personal data if it makes that data extremely easy to get to and manage. When an organization can jettison their entire storage infrastructure and shoot Microsoft a check to do it all for them, it's extremely enticing.

For each of the "iCloud got hacked" news articles there's plenty of not-news where clouds didn't get hacked and data was secure and safe and life went on and companies saved money and time and headaches of managing their own storage and mail and whatever.

 

[DPI]

For each of the "iCloud got hacked" news articles there's plenty of not-news where clouds didn't get hacked and data was secure and safe and life went on and companies saved money and time and headaches of managing their own storage and mail and whatever.

And there's plenty of times where cloud accounts DID get hacked and no one ever knew and it was never reported. I reckon that's the bulk of the occurrences.

So if you want to roll the dice, nevermind on sensitive corporate data, then by all means. Enjoy.

 

[B00nie]

To add to the above, anyone who has a Microsoft account of ANY kind already has a OneDrive and access to Office web apps.

Ever log into a Windows 8.x computer (default option is using or creating a new Microsoft account)? Ever sign up for a Live ID? .net Passport? Xbox Live account? Xbox Music Pass? Hotmail account? Outlook account? The list goes on, and on, and they all automatically land you with a Microsoft Account with an associated OneDrive, Outlook inbox, and Office web-apps.


Even if we're talking about employee, any company worth their salt will have a Sharepoint server with company-hosted versions of the Office web-apps for online document editing all within the company IT infrastructure. Still no reason for said employe, working remotely, to have Office installed for casual editing.

Ok I have win8.1 and win10 installed on virtual machines. I haven't noticed any onedrive folder so far (not saying it's there somewhere) but I'm pretty sure the situation is the same with 99% users. I tried launching the web apps but nothing was found on the onedrive even with the Win8.1 account which I've been using for over a year already. So no, the web apps do not replace the local apps.

 

[CrimsonKnight13]

Are you logging in with a Microsoft account? If not, you won't see the OneDrive (or SkyDrive if you haven't updated Windows). The standard since Windows 8 is for people to login with a Microsoft account unless they're knowledgeable enough to create a local account only. "99%" (probably highly innacurate count) of users won't know that, so they're most likely to see OneDrive.

You're really grasping at straws just for the sake of arguing, B00nie.

 

[Warrior]

I can attest, I was forced into a OneDrive box, because I signed into win8.1 with my outlook.com email.

 

[Unknown-One]

What makes it a security fuck up? How are you going to do your job if you can't accept the needed files from your client? lol!

This doesn't sound like a casual user. If Office is required by someone's job, a laptop with Office should have been provided by said job.

Can you please keep on-point? We're talking about casual users, not employees or small business owners.

Ok I have win8.1 and win10 installed on virtual machines. I haven't noticed any onedrive folder so far (not saying it's there somewhere) but I'm pretty sure the situation is the same with 99% users.

The default log-in option the first time you fire-up a new Windows 8.x computer is to sign-in with your Microsoft account (or create a new one if you don't have an existing account). The option to use a local account that doesn't include OneDrive is actually hidden behind the link you have to click to make a new Microsoft account, so you HAD to have seen this.

Signing into Windows with a Microsoft Account automatically sets you up with a locally-accessible version of your OneDrive folder. The OneDrive icon is in EVERY SINGLE explorer window on the left-hand side, right below Favorites.

If you intentionally picked the user profile option that does not include OneDrive (an option Microsoft went out of their way to obfuscate), that's your own fault. OneDrive is easier to end-up with than not, as the default options land you with a OneDrive (and most users accept defaults).

I tried launching the web apps but nothing was found on the onedrive even with the Win8.1 account which I've been using for over a year already.

From what you said above, sounds like you intentionally avoided syncing your OneDrive by making a local-only Windows account. You'll need to link your local account to your Microsoft account from the modern Settings app. Once that's done, it'll work as if you had signed-in with a Microsoft account from the get-go. Files will sync from your local OneDrive folder in your User folder to the cloud, making them available for syncing and editing.

So no, the web apps do not replace the local apps.

You say "So no" as if what you had said previously in some way validates your conclusion...when the situation leading you to that conclusion was created by you choosing power-users non-default options during Windows setup. I concur with the other posters in your thread, you're just digging yourself into a deeper hole here now.

How, exactly, do the web-apps not replace local apps for casual users? You have yet to answer this question in any meaningful way.

 

[ManofGod]

And there's plenty of times where cloud accounts DID get hacked and no one ever knew and it was never reported. I reckon that's the bulk of the occurrences.

So if you want to roll the dice, nevermind on sensitive corporate data, then by all means. Enjoy.

A Fuding we will go, a fuding we will go, hi ho the merry Oh a fuding we will go.

 

[heatlesssun]

How are you going to do your job if you can't accept the needed files from your client? lol!

You're kid of making a case for Microsoft Office here.

 

[B00nie]

You're kid of making a case for Microsoft Office here.

No, a paid office suit is not required to handle the files. And if it is, it's because of Microsoft isusing unfair business practices with proprietary file formats.

 

[B00nie]

Are you logging in with a Microsoft account? If not, you won't see the OneDrive (or SkyDrive if you haven't updated Windows). The standard since Windows 8 is for people to login with a Microsoft account unless they're knowledgeable enough to create a local account only. "99%" (probably highly innacurate count) of users won't know that, so they're most likely to see OneDrive.

You're really grasping at straws just for the sake of arguing, B00nie.

No I'm not. As you can see that in order to be even able to use these web apps, users need to be logged in, know exactly to which folder to store their files (and be limited to only that location) and also use a Microsoft OS newer than Windows 7. A casual user will not even realize what the function of onedrive is, they just expect to be able to double click on a file on their desktop _like they always used to do for years before this_.

To me that makes the web apps a curiosity for the random geek.

Besides, most users that I know will respectfully decline logging in with a Microsoft account for obvious privacy and security reasons - and avoid using Microsoft cloud services for obvious privacy and security reasons. It's a horrible idea to publish your files online just waiting to be mass hacked in some server breach. It only competes with the general idea of using windows in the first place for your main OS lol.

 

[Tsumi]

Boonie has been too far brainwashed by the penguin to merit anymore reasonable responses. The last sentence makes it very clear how clouded his judgement is.

 

[B00nie]

Boonie has been too far brainwashed by the penguin to merit anymore reasonable responses. The last sentence makes it very clear how clouded his judgement is.

On the contrary my judgement is clear as sky while yours seems to be limited to only one provider.

 

[B00nie]

Ok I just noticed the onedrive link in the network and decided to try to test it (on Win10). To be honest I never before even noticed Onedrive there. It's glaringly missing from every place where a user might want to put his files for easy access for a casual use (desktop, anyone?)

I downloaded a small sample excel to the virtual drive and saved it to the onedrive documents.
I then opened the online excel which required another login (how convenient). I attempted to open the very small sample excel and was greeted with a 'document needs conversion so you can open it' that lasted several seconds. Then the file finally opens for viewing.

I attempt to multiply the Excel contents to test the sync transparency. Ooops can't drag and select with the mouse because the online Excel does not have edge detection based scroll lol. How convenient. Ok, select the area using the alternative way worked. Attempt to copypaste some 100 rows to the Excel resulted in the sheet going gray. The whole sheet was and still is unresponsive as I type this.

Ok now after a considerable period of waiting an error message pops up stating that the browser does not support the use of clipboard, use short keys instead (which I originally did).

Yep, works like a charm for a casual user I have to agree.

This and extremely laggy function even with a small file convinced me that I should immediately abandon the snappy and easy to use libreoffice and start lagging with the online excel instead. I was definitely wrong on my prior assessment </sarcasm>.

 

[Tsumi]

On the contrary my judgement is clear as sky while yours seems to be limited to only one provider.

I do use Linux when it's better for whatever I'm using the computer for. For most things, it is no better than Windows.

 

[wonderfield]

And there's plenty of times where cloud accounts DID get hacked and no one ever knew and it was never reported.

...

 

[CrimsonKnight13]

I think this argument has turned cyclically redundant in too many ways. Another added to my ignore list.

 

[heatlesssun]

No, a paid office suit is not required to handle the files. And if it is, it's because of Microsoft isusing unfair business practices with proprietary file formats.

The Open Office XML is an open and free to use standard for anyone, that's not the problem these days. You still have to implement features in software. As I've mentioned before, LibreOffice is totally unaware of ink in Office documents. But the data for the ink is clearly available in the XML, LibreOffice simply doesn't do anything with it, it has nothing to do with proprietary files and formats.

And you might say "So what, nobody uses ink." Until somebody does. Capturing signatures digitally isn't uncommon these days. There have been a number of occasions that I've received a Word document over the years that needed to be signed and I just signed it on my tablet and emailed it back. Had they been using LibreWrite, the time wasted on dealing with something just this simple would pay for Office for the month easily.