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I'll let you guys decide whether this story is a good idea or technology gone wrong.

According to CityLab and The Copenhagen Post, Odense has launched a small pilot program tracking 20 volunteers to gather data on where the homeless eat, sleep, and live all by just the GPS in their pocket. Once they have a good idea where many of its destitute are gathering, the city can provide shelters, benches, and "coffee rooms" to specific sites where they're needed most.
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Do they not have homeless shelters over there? Because I imagine that is where they would concentrate.
 
I think it's a good idea... is what i would say, if it were everyone of the ones that are begging. Mainly because I suspect there are quite a few scammers out there.

But this is an opt in thing.

“They want to contribute to the offers being made ​​to them, so that we have peace and quiet in the city. It's lovely.”
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Well duh, you're giving them food.
 
It could also be used as a tool to go in and roust them from their abodes such as they are.
 
Hm, I came in expecting something like this.

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Turns out I am a cynical prick.
 
IMO the homeless should be turned into baby food, as in that way they get a second chance at life in a way... wish liberals would get on board with that, after all its recycling.

But honestly most homeless aren't homeless. They get free housing, food, healthcare, and massive discounts on everything else from the government already. But they want cash for hookers, booze, drugs, you name it. So for that they peddle the streets, and can make a lot of cash doing it too, far more than minimum wage jobs at a minimum with the best making triple digits tax free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSprgVjLFgk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSewCBL4_GQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uti_PkR3hn0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIhZajYWJVc

If you're in a third world country, by all means, many don't have proper social service safety nets, but in the United States we pay an absolute fortune in taxes to ensure our homeless have access to all the help they need. And the mentally ill are institutionalized to get the help that they need, and not left out to eat garbage. But unfortunately, there is a new crop of bleeding heart liberals born every year that are so easily duped and part with their money.
 
Ducman69 said:
IMO the homeless should be turned into baby food, as in that way they get a second chance at life in a way... wish liberals would get on board with that, after all its recycling.
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As someone who was homeless to no fault of his own when I was 18, I take great offence to your callousness. People like you are what's wrong with attitudes in America these days...
 
Ducman69 said:
IMO the homeless should be turned into baby food, as in that way they get a second chance at life in a way... wish liberals would get on board with that, after all its recycling.
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The poor are a requirement of our monetary system (not America, but money in general). They can't go away, because in order for the middle class and upper class to exist, there has to be a large number of poor people. That's what gives money it's value....the bunch of people that don't have it.

We can certainly have a higher living of standard, the "polished poor", compared to other countries. But they will still be poor relative to this country.
 
Mr. Bluntman said:
As someone who was homeless to no fault of his own when I was 18, I take great offence to your callousness. People like you are what's wrong with attitudes in America these days...
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1) No such thing as "no fault". Is there any conceivable life choices you could have made if you relived your life from infancy that could have prevented you from being homeless? Then of course its partially your fault, which is part of the problem with America.
2) Were you REALLY a homeless person, or were you just a regular 18 year old leaving his parent's house temporarily without a place to stay and had to stay at friends houses until you could find a vacancy in a shared cheap apartment?

The real homeless IMO are people that go for years living off charity camping out wherever, aka bums.
 
Mr. Bluntman said:
As someone who was homeless to no fault of his own when I was 18, I take great offence to your callousness. People like you are what's wrong with attitudes in America these days...
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Ducman69 said:
IMO the homeless should be turned into baby food, as in that way they get a second chance at life in a way... wish liberals would get on board with that, after all its recycling.

But honestly most homeless aren't homeless. They get free housing, food, healthcare, and massive discounts on everything else from the government already. But they want cash for hookers, booze, drugs, you name it. So for that they peddle the streets, and can make a lot of cash doing it too, far more than minimum wage jobs at a minimum with the best making triple digits tax free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSprgVjLFgk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSewCBL4_GQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uti_PkR3hn0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIhZajYWJVc

If you're in a third world country, by all means, many don't have proper social service safety nets, but in the United States we pay an absolute fortune in taxes to ensure our homeless have access to all the help they need. And the mentally ill are institutionalized to get the help that they need, and not left out to eat garbage. But unfortunately, there is a new crop of bleeding heart liberals born every year that are so easily duped and part with their money.
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Holy... Shit.... :eek: That's some pretty hubristic shit you're spewing.
 
Compassion is a dish best served warm.

We are all members of the human race and just about all of us aside from the 1 percent are just a paycheck away from being neighbors with the homeless.
 
CoSWill said:
Compassion is a dish best served warm.

We are all members of the human race and just about all of us aside from the 1 percent are just a paycheck away from being neighbors with the homeless.
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That's just called poor planning...I'm certainly not a "1 percenter" and I do just fine. My wife and I have enough liquid assets in savings to live comfortably for a good year in the event of unemployment.
 
That stat above clearly shows how WASTEFUL is with OUR money. Last time I checked the US Constitution there was no requirement for the government to provide charity. Let churches and other groups handle that.

Most homeless are literally insane. Why do we have more of them nowadays? We don't put them in the nuthouse like they used to.

Most people on welfare are lazy fuckers with no desire to work. We have literally generations of families that have been on welfare.
 
Ducman69 said:
1) No such thing as "no fault". Is there any conceivable life choices you could have made if you relived your life from infancy that could have prevented you from being homeless? Then of course its partially your fault, which is part of the problem with America.
2) Were you REALLY a homeless person, or were you just a regular 18 year old leaving his parent's house temporarily without a place to stay and had to stay at friends houses until you could find a vacancy in a shared cheap apartment?

The real homeless IMO are people that go for years living off charity camping out wherever, aka bums.
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One day I hope you end up on your ass because I'd dearly love to be there to spit on you while you're down.
 
madmat said:
One day I hope you end up on your ass because I'd dearly love to be there to spit on you while you're down.
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Cool story, so how about the actual topic? You have any issue with the argument/facts? BTW if you're curious, if you've lived in ACTUAL poor countries, you'd appreciate what true poverty is where they don't spend billions upon billions upon billions on social services like in our welfare state. Most of our "real" longterm homeless are so because they were kicked out of free housing opportunities provided by the government/charities, generally because of alcohol/drug abuse/criminality issues. By providing handouts, you're just contributing to the problem since they already have free food available and won't starve, its money for "extras" that won't be given out freely for good reason.
 
madmat said:
One day I hope you end up on your ass because I'd dearly love to be there to spit on you while you're down.
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Wow, what a shitty, petty little man you are to wish for something like that. You may not like what he said, but...really?
 
BTW, do a search for Section 8 housing available in your area. If your brain doesn't explode realizing where all your tax dollars are going, especially if the housing is nicer than your own place you actually work long hours to afford, I'll be very surprised:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGffVhzxF8I

Here's a Section 8 property in Fl, 5bed 3bath, with pool, gated community.
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http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20..._1_judith-aigen-white-neighbors-neighborhoods

If you're wondering about such weirdness, certain grants were only provided if a certain amount of housing was low-income housing, so moochers get some mini McMansions, unfortunately usually destroying them in the process.

Oops, that one isn't on the market. Here's a Section 8 house that is,
5 bed, 4.5 bath, 3900sqft

Thanks Obama.
 
Ducman69 said:
BTW, do a search for Section 8 housing available in your area. If your brain doesn't explode realizing where all your tax dollars are going, especially if the housing is nicer than your own place you actually work long hours to afford, I'll be very surprised:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGffVhzxF8I

Here's a Section 8 property in Fl, 5bed 3bath, with pool, gated community.
House.jpg

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20..._1_judith-aigen-white-neighbors-neighborhoods

If you're wondering about such weirdness, certain grants were only provided if a certain amount of housing was low-income housing, so moochers get some mini McMansions, unfortunately usually destroying them in the process.

Oops, that one isn't on the market. Here's a Section 8 house that is,
5 bed, 4.5 bath, 3900sqft

Thanks Obama.
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Ain't this the goddamn truth. We have new neighbors that moved into 2500 sq foot house next to us. It's been a month and the house is already destroyed. Trash everywhere, 2 pit bulls constantly tearing shit up and barking all fucking night, loud ass parties all weekend, AND THEY DON'T FUCKING WORK.
 
The ignorance in this thread is truly awesome. Not in a good way.

You guys spew the Fox News propaganda and silly statistics without any logical thinking. It's incredible.
 
haste. said:
The ignorance in this thread is truly awesome. Not in a good way.

You guys spew the Fox News propaganda and silly statistics without any logical thinking. It's incredible.
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You spew bullshit by taking presented data and comparing it to Fox News...while at the same time not presenting any data of your own countering the supposed ignorance. It's incredible.
 
and how soon till most of those 20 homeless pawn or try to sell said GPS devices just so they can go buy a 5 dollar bottle of booze? or meth, or whatever they do.

I have no problem helping those in need... but the chronic alcoholics, drug abusers, and people that have no drive to get a job and pull their weight... fuck them... seriously cut them off and let them rot. The people that pursposefully get pregnant just to get a bigger welfare check, the ones that drive escaldes, tear up the housing that's given to them... i work my ass off pay all my taxes and it's a slap in the face to see where my money is going.

There are those who just enjoy being worthless pieces of crap. Documented examples of people who have gotten 2nd, 3rd, or 4th chances and still throw it away because being a normal working person is "too hard". Look at the "man with the radio voice" ted williams - he got his big chance, was making more money doing easy as hell work, and still fucked it up. You could drop 100K bag of money on random homeless people and they will wind up right back where they are.

For every 1 person that seriously needs help, wants to do better and just needs a hand... there's 20 other walking pieces of human trash screwing it up for everyone else. As someone mentioned earlier, it's all about choices, some people have a harder set of choices to make, but if you can't make a single "right" choice in 5/10/20 years... you deserve to live in the sewer and use a rat as a pillow.

You can't fix stupid - and you can't solve the problem by taking what I worked hard for and giving to Tyrone, Pablo, or Cletus because they want to sit around all day making more babies.
 
How about using those millions planned for the GPS to build homes for the homeless? Anyone?
 
IMO people who are permanently homeless are almost all crazy. The country offers way too much in way too many ways for anyone to truly be without any other option. lol ya look up that section 8 crap above or cash assistance and food stamps on top of welfare how is it possible to live homeless with all of this support? In every town I got to know by living there I would pretty much always find out the homeless people are crazy or have some sort of psychological issue that keeps them from pulling it together. I am not talking about people who fall on hard times and end up homeless for a little bit. Those people just haven't got the information yet but they won't stay that way they will find information and get into some sort of shelter sooner or later or finally cave in and go live with family or friends and sacrifice their pride. Also I don't count vagabond types as homeless. Some people choose to live a lifestyle, and its not going to help anyone to try to force them out of that lifestyle. Often these people have a pretty good system worked out traveling around even owning cars etc.....

So personally even though I am conservative on more issues, I don't really have any problem with providing these homeless people with some basic housing and services since they are probably crazy and not likely to ever really pull it together or be useful to any employer. I don't have a problem if someone wants to try to make them dig ditches or whatever though. I think that doesn't happen because everyone figured out it costs more to manage them then you get out of them in productivity.
 
rudy said:
IMO people who are permanently homeless are almost all crazy. The country offers way too much in way too many ways for anyone to truly be without any other option..
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What about those stories in social media where homeless people have been given a second break, showering them, shaving them and enabling them to apply for a job like a normal person, changing their lives.

So there seems to be quite big gaps in the system. In my country only a handful or people are homeless and those who are, chose so. Everyone gets offered housing. They're heavy alcoholics that prefer to live in the forest to avoid following restrictions of the general society.

Of course in my country the drug problem is nowhere near as large as you have, that must be a big issue for you.
 
Those stories are probably bullshit or the VERY rare exception like most things on social media and reality TV. If all you had to do was shower someone up, give them a makeover and an address / phone number to get them a job don't you think governments would have already figured that out? Don't you think maybe that not crazy homeless person would have taken one of the $20 bills they got from some very nice person and tried it?
 
I'd like to see all welfare systems abolished but being homeless is not living with your parents with a wife and kids or even moving into Section 8. Those who are truly homeless are homeless because they honestly don't try. With even the slightest cares in the world anyone can get off their feet enough to feed of the governments tit.

It is the easiest thing in the world to do. You might not like your Temp Agency job, your pay, your quality of life, etc. but you could work and get back on your feet.

I'd work knee high in shit at one job just to go work nights at a 7/11 in the ghetto off MLK Dr if it meant I support my family and give them a roof over their heads and food on the table.

When I see that guy on the street corner with the cardboard sign asking for money I'm the asshole that tells him to get a F'ing job.
 
rudy said:
Those stories are probably bullshit or the VERY rare exception like most things on social media and reality TV. If all you had to do was shower someone up, give them a makeover and an address / phone number to get them a job don't you think governments would have already figured that out? Don't you think maybe that not crazy homeless person would have taken one of the $20 bills they got from some very nice person and tried it?
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Yes if its not the priority of government to nanny its citizens, they'll never do stuff like this. Also agencies are not actually famous for using common sense. They prefer to give a million dollar project to a buddy contractor instead of spending 50 bucks to clean up a person.
 
I actually spend some time in Odense, one of the best places in Denmark :)

A lot of the homeless in the city are homeless because they can't manage the concept of a home, as weird as that may sound to you, it is often the case. They end up on the street due to mental illness, drug abuse or some personal reason.

As the article states, they get 3 meals at one of the city shelters in return for carrying a tracker for a while, it's just a little black box they carry in their pocket, and the collected data is going to be used for improving the conditions of the homeless in Odense.

This project may seems odd in other countries, but Denmark spends a lot of money on welfare, and this is a good method for optimising the money spend.
 
Peace, love, compassion, and respect, are becoming foreign concepts in America.
 
Lith1um said:
Peace, love, compassion, and respect, are becoming foreign concepts in America.
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There's a certain percentage of the American populace that ascribes to the belief that if you're rich you deserve it and should be celebrated for it, and if you're poor, you deserve that also and should be shown contempt for it, believing that the only true factor that determines your success is how hard you work. It's not really based in reality, especially since America has some of the most hours work in the Western world, but has lower social mobility than many European countries. Anyway, this belief goes a long way to explaining the attitudes that seem to forego the values you mention. It's not that they are devoid of them, but that some people have a totally separate value system that's different from most of humanity.
 
I'm not sure why they couldn't just ask them where they go and when, instead of GPSing them...
 
Ducman69 said:
Cool story, so how about the actual topic? You have any issue with the argument/facts? BTW if you're curious, if you've lived in ACTUAL poor countries, you'd appreciate what true poverty is where they don't spend billions upon billions upon billions on social services like in our welfare state. Most of our "real" longterm homeless are so because they were kicked out of free housing opportunities provided by the government/charities, generally because of alcohol/drug abuse/criminality issues. By providing handouts, you're just contributing to the problem since they already have free food available and won't starve, its money for "extras" that won't be given out freely for good reason.
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Mr. Burns, is that you?
 
I don't believe that GPS-ing homeless is a good idea. Mainly because it seems socialistic, as in we are going to track only this group of people. (people get used to it over time) We track more people, not just the homeless, then eventually tracking everyone except for that top 1%.

Oh wait, I think the NSA may already be doing this with our cell phones, without our permission.

Anyways there is only a matter of time to where GPS tracking turns into a form of control.

George Orwell 1984 read the book or watch the movie.

Shoot, I've already met people who believe that if we are not actively in some form of conflict overseas then we can't maintain peace in America. George Orwell said in his book "war is peace".

Watch the video, it's interesting to see at the end, the war was all fabricated in order for the rich to control the masses.
 
How much money do you people that are arguing against these social programs think our militart wastes every year? Exponentially more than the figures your posting.

I've spent a large chunk of my career working in/with air force research labs and its astounding how much money is just flat out wasted. Multiple air force labs that i worked with had easily a combined 1+ million worth of machine shop equipment that is only used 1-2 times a month for small little odd jobs at the most. It was impossibly to even schedule time with them.

90% of the Captains and Colonel's i worked with spent probably 85% of their time being bureaucrats trying to get funding as opposed to doing actual research, and then they would spend 70% of the funding they got on trying to get more funding.

If you want to look for real waste it is there, money that is basically used fora absolutely no purpose
 
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