New NVIDIA 9-Series may be knockout blow for AMD

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The situation we have with the raw chart-topping power of the GTX980 and staggering price/performance of the GTX970 now is very reminiscent of AMD's CPU position shortly after Intel's Core 2 hit the market. Nvidia now has a product with better performance, better efficiency, better (still) drivers & features, and similar or lower pricing. And that puts AMD in a bad way. The 3xx series had better seriously wow, or AMD's GPU division is quickly going to see the same market erosion that happened after Core 2/iCore.

Personally, I think this is a knockout blow.
 
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It's a bit too early for the sky to fall. But yes, AMD better have something up their sleeve with the 300 series.
For now they have no choice but to drop their R9 prices. We're talking about ~$250 290's, which I would assume is a huge loss for them.

Earlier leaks of the 390X put the "GTX 880" to shame. So there's hope.
 
LoL ... troll post .... AMD's next gen will knock Nvidia out of the park.... Nvidia has no clue whats about to happen.

But.... These new Nvidia cards are pretty amazing price/performance/tdp
 
Elmy said:
LoL ... troll post .... AMD's next gen will knock Nvidia out of the park.... Nvidia has no clue whats about to happen.

But.... These new Nvidia cards are pretty amazing price/performance/tdp
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:rolleyes: A troll post would be if I placed this in the AMD subforum. I laid out my position, and anyone with half a brain understands that a scenario where we saw AMD exiting the discrete GPU market would create all kinds of new problems. Would not be good for consumers.

But fact of the matter is AMD's CPU division never recovered after the bar set by Core2/iCore, and it feels like the same is on the verge of happening in the GPU market. That is all.
 
Yeah bit of a short sighted post...lol one generation does not make or break a company. Just look back at the 9700Pro vs the Ti4600, ATI blew em out of the water and nothing could come close for at least 6 months. Both compaies go back and forth all the time! Nvidia has just launched the next gen cards, AMD hasnt yet...sit tight young Padawan, much to learn there is...
 
Thanks, some impressive specs, if true.
Lol at that memory bandwidth 448 Gb/sec, insane. Can this be the chip that tapped out at the same time Tonga did?
 
GibsonEX said:
Thanks, some impressive specs, if true.
Lol at that memory bandwidth 448 Gb/sec, insane. Can this be the chip that tapped out at the same time Tonga did?
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Rumored specs aside. Very possibly, like the 750, the r9 285 was most likely a first test for a new architecture.

Tic Toc principal in action.
 
So you're saying AMD can't release a product that uses less power and has a small performance boost anytime soon? That seems beyond premature especially since the only thing the GTX 900 Series has over AMD right now is a $100 less price tag over the 780 Ti, a (very) small performance boost, and uses less power.

Nvidia made one helluva architect with Maxwell as far as power efficiency and possible future performance goes that we have yet to see, but that's no something we already knew 7 months ago with the 750/750 Ti. There really is no big surprise here.

What I find somewhat appalling is the price differences and how that is hardly mentioned. How easy we fall back into fanboyism and forget our past grievances over what? An 18 month wait for power efficiency instead of performance and a price tag more suitable with what people basically expected from the GK104/GK110 in performance terms? Not trying to shit on the parade, but after the past 2 weeks of reading the Nvidia fanboys in the comment sections of VideoCardz and WCCFTech I'm really disgusted with our side.
 
980 is halo right now, it will drop MSRP when the Ti just look at last gen all those Titan owners... Nvidia always screws the early adopters at the high-end, business as usual...
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
It was nothing but leaked specs from earlier in the summer/spring.

http://www.tekrevolution.com/amd-r9-390x-leaked-specifications-bermuda/
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If AMD's gpu roadmap is anything like their cpu roadmap, it is unlikely they'll release a chip like that anytime soon. AMD's CEO was recently quoted saying "I don’t think we’re at the peak of volume for 28-nanometer. We’re going to continue to leverage that and I think there is great opportunity to make money on that… The mix for us has to be where we can get the yields and the business like game consoles, semi-custom, embedded, and even in client, 28-nanometer is going to be just fine for the next several years."

The article goes on to say that they will do 20 nanometer, but only when it's cost effective, meaning it is unlikely they will be first to offer it. http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/190026-amd-ceo-just-laid-out-companys-two-year-roadmap
 
Regular course of business dude. Red vs Green has been trading blows since the beginning of time.

AMD should be adjusting their prices to remain competitive until they can come out with a new lineup... which could only be a good thing for the masses.

Also don't forget since mining became a huge craze for a good amount of time I'm sure AMD was floored about locking in prices without retailers having to drop MSRP to sell out of cards.

I know I am impatient, didn't notice any floods of cards in the classifieds for bargain prices so I just ordered a 970 myself. Not to name any names but a used GTX780 is going to have to be cheaper than a 970 in order to sell on the secondary market LOL.
 
Yeah they really did screw over thier current customers with the pricing, probably should have raised the 970 pricing and lowered the 980 to compensate so the market would go through such a price fluctuation. Glad I picked up my 290X's at a low point though, never pays to be an early adopter...wait for the first drop at the top, 970 SLI is a good value though, well i guess it will be, havent seen any benches yet
 
I go where the performance bang for buck is at. If AMD releases a R390X for $499 in a few months that outperforms GTX980 and the GTX980Ti comes out for that bullshit $1000 or $749.99 I may go AMD. My loyalty is and has been to my wallet. I can't tell others what to do but I feel that this is the way it should be.

The one thing that may keep me team green is that I opted for the EVGA cards and if I can step up to 980Tis that will trade blows with a R390X I may just opt to pay an extra (small) price difference.

My gut tells me that R390X will kick the GTX 980 in the face performance wise. I mean honestly Nvidia didn't set the bar high performance-wise. The efficiency, and feature set is another story. I'm not sure what AMD has in store. Time to check that crystal ball in my closet :D
 
"Knockout blow", what is this guy smoking.

Seriously though, trolling OP, Nvidia'd be charging you more than $800 for garbage GPUs without AMD in the picture. Why be a fan of a company instead of judging every product and action separately?

I say Maxwell gives some solid efficiency gains and has enabled Nvidia to price these aggressively. That can only be good for us, the consumers. Assuming these low prices aren't accompanied by the typical anti-competitive tactics that Nvidia routinely practices.
 
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Since I already have a R9 290, I'm not going to upgrade to a new card just yet. I think that it's more sensible to wait for the full DX12 spec to be finalized. If I were a betting man I would wager that there will be some really cool feature added to DX12 in the next year that the GTX980 early adopters will miss out on. Just because it says DX12 compatible doesn't mean that it's going to support every DX12.0 feature at DX12's launch. I base this on experience from buying video cards for nearly 20 years.

Also I these cards are only compatible with DisplayPort 1.2. I understand the allure of GSYNC, but I would like for my new $549 GPU to support the basic tech in the DisplayPort 1.3 standard also. My next monitor will have DisplayPort 1.3 standards. Those are enough reasons for me to stand pat and wait for full DX12.0 standard cards to come out with DisplayPort 1.3 compatibility.

The really good thing about this launch is that soon™ hopefully I can add a second 4GB R9 290 for less than $250 to hold me over until DX12 is finalized. These Nvidia cards are really fast even though eliminating 800 CUDA cores has me worried still. It will be interesting seeing how they handle 2015+ new game engine releases and revisions. I'm quite sure that DICE's Frostbite engine will evolve and become more GPU demanding over time. What will the loss of 800 CUDA cores do to the 980/970 cards?

With that said if someone wanted a new card in the $329 or $549 bracket I would recommend the 980/970 based on today's performance. They are really nice.
 
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AMD is not on the ropes. They came out of left field and blew away the competition last year with the release of the R9/*90x series. Rinse and repeat....This happens every round when video cards are released. We might see a release of the new *90 series this year or not. We just don't know. Judging on the last few years, Nvidia releases the gimped chip (680/980) and 6 months later, they release the beast chip (Full Kepler/Maxwell) AMD always releases after Nvidia (We should expect a Novembe-January Release)

They just go back and forth...there is no deathblow. Does everyone remember when the ATi 9700/9800 Pro came out and blew the 5800 Ultra out of the water and Nvidia came out with the 6800 series that kept up with the 9800 series?

There is no stinking deathblow...
 
I really hope not. These guys have been landing hay makers on each forever. No need to stop now. We all win.
 
MrSneis said:
Regular course of business dude. Red vs Green has been trading blows since the beginning of time.

AMD should be adjusting their prices to remain competitive until they can come out with a new lineup... which could only be a good thing for the masses.
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This is more than just the usual trading blows. I'd tend to agree that the 980 is business as usual, in the sense it retakes the performance crown but at the usual premium pricetag. But it was the move to price the 970 at $329 that's somewhat unprecedented as these cycles go - NVIDIA just knocked out AMD's entire lineup with a cooler, more power efficient, higher performing part at an amazing pricepoint - and again, eerie reminiscent of the pace set by Intel's Core2/iCore that AMD's CPU biz could never catch up to.

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I wouldn't say knock out blow. More like a wake up call.

Basically right now all 280/285/280x/290/290x are overpriced.
 
I don't think NVIDIA alone is in any position to deal a death blow to AMD at the moment. If AMD needs to throw a water cooler on their next-generation parts, that's what they'll end up doing to maintain their level of competitiveness.

An Intel/NVIDIA partnership, however, would pretty much seal the deal.
 
Where would the fun be if this was a death blow? Fanboys on both sides lose without competition.

Personally, I'm just excited that there's something to be excited about for once in PC gaming. It's going to be nice maxing all settings @ 1080p and getting butter smooth FPS on a single card under $350 that doesn't spike your electric bill or warm your house for the winter.
 
Tonga shows us that AMD also has efficiency in mind. The Delta Color Compression on Tonga has made the GPU perform on a 256-bit bus like its bigger R9280 384-bit bus. If we see this Delta Color Compression come to future AMD GPUs, it will help deliver better performance, imagine the Delta Color Compression on a 384-bit bus, or bigger. That's an architecture improvement that makes a difference. It is a shame Hawaii doesn't have it, only Tonga right now.
 
Liger88 said:
What I find somewhat appalling is the price differences and how that is hardly mentioned. How easy we fall back into fanboyism and forget our past grievances over what? An 18 month wait for power efficiency instead of performance and a price tag more suitable with what people basically expected from the GK104/GK110 in performance terms? Not trying to shit on the parade, but after the past 2 weeks of reading the Nvidia fanboys in the comment sections of VideoCardz and WCCFTech I'm really disgusted with our side.
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Enthusiasts have been so desperate for something exciting for so long now since tech has basically fallen into a blithering bliss of boring non-advancements. Simply hearing Jen-Hsun talk about Voxel-based Global Illumination is enough to stir up a flutter in our hearts and get us drooling.

Ahhh I need to find a different hobby. Or take up sniffing glue. One of those two.
 
Brent_Justice said:
Tonga shows us that AMD also has efficiency in mind. The Delta Color Compression on Tonga has made the GPU perform on a 256-bit bus like its bigger R9280 384-bit bus. If we see this Delta Color Compression come to future AMD GPUs, it will help deliver better performance, imagine the Delta Color Compression on a 384-bit bus, or bigger. That's an architecture improvement that makes a difference. It is a shame Hawaii doesn't have it, only Tonga right now.
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512-bit bus with Delta Color Compression

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I smell a first real 4K card!
 
jwcalla said:
Enthusiasts have been so desperate for something exciting for so long now since tech has basically fallen into a blithering bliss of boring non-advancements.
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ya honestly I think the last time I was excited about a video card was Fermi
 
jwcalla said:
Enthusiasts have been so desperate for something exciting for so long now since tech has basically fallen into a blithering bliss of boring non-advancements. Simply hearing Jen-Hsun talk about Voxel-based Global Illumination is enough to stir up a flutter in our hearts and get us drooling.
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It's unclear to me, though, that NVIDIA's technique is more efficient or more accurate than Enlighten. It would've been helpful if they had indicated how many milliseconds GI added to their demo scenes.
 
wonderfield said:
It's unclear to me, though, that NVIDIA's technique is more efficient or more accurate than Enlighten. It would've been helpful if they had indicated how many milliseconds GI added to their demo scenes.
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A more valid question is whether we'll even see that or similar tech taken advantage of in future games.

And by future I simply mean within the next 20 years.

There could be some acerbic bitterness in my comments though, so take with a grain of salt.
 
jwcalla said:
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Ahhh I need to find a different hobby. Or take up sniffing glue. One of those two.
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Glue.... definitely glue.

In all seriousness, this is hardly a knockout blow. You would have had been able to make a better case that the 8800gtx was a knockout blow vs. the 2900xt.... it took AMD until the 4xxx series to make a competitive product. They didn't go under then, and they won't now.

The 285 hints that AMD is thinking along the same lines. Give it some time and AMD will have a proper reply. If history is any guide, their new card will best the gtx 980 and the fight will be on.
 
Brent_Justice said:
Tonga shows us that AMD also has efficiency in mind. The Delta Color Compression on Tonga has made the GPU perform on a 256-bit bus like its bigger R9280 384-bit bus. If we see this Delta Color Compression come to future AMD GPUs, it will help deliver better performance, imagine the Delta Color Compression on a 384-bit bus, or bigger. That's an architecture improvement that makes a difference. It is a shame Hawaii doesn't have it, only Tonga right now.
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If Tonga represents best AMD currently have then they are in big shit.
 
AMD's next card is rumoured to have stacked memory on it. Stacked memory should provide support bandwidth from 128GB/s to 256GB/s. Nvidia's next generation is rumoured to have it too. But, AMD might have it a half generation before Nvidia. This was a very very impressive leap for Nvidia, but if AMD does use stacked memory theirs will be larger. The next 12 months will be exciting for graphics cards. AMD using stacked memory, shrinked Maxwell, then stacked memory for Nvidia.
 
Brent_Justice said:
Tonga shows us that AMD also has efficiency in mind. The Delta Color Compression on Tonga has made the GPU perform on a 256-bit bus like its bigger R9280 384-bit bus. If we see this Delta Color Compression come to future AMD GPUs, it will help deliver better performance, imagine the Delta Color Compression on a 384-bit bus, or bigger. That's an architecture improvement that makes a difference. It is a shame Hawaii doesn't have it, only Tonga right now.
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I don't know how serious AMD is about efficiency.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014...5_gaming_oc_video_card_review/10#.VByIFxZRzms

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014...rce_gtx_980_video_card_review/13#.VByH0hZRzms

The radeon 285 consume more power than a gtx 980!!!

But is 50-75 percent slower depending on the review. Usually power consumption shows how much an architecture can be scaled up. So although Tonga can be scaled up, something based on maxwell can be scaled up even more.

This particularly hammers the point home on efficiency.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...70-GM204-Review-Power-and-Efficiency/Overcloc

2 gtx 970 in SLI uses less power than a single r9 290x. That's gigantic.

Considering Hawaii and Tonga share a similar performance per watt considering their architectures are almost the same aside from the color compression, hawaii is already a good preview of what to expect from big Tonga.

When was the last time this has happened? It hasn't happened recently and the only times this has happened but not with this much difference in performance is with 9700 pro/5800 and 2900xt/ 8800gtx.

At this point, considering AMD's financial situation, can they afford this type of blow? I think they can, but it might take some big cutting to their budget, which could make them a less competitive company in the long run with Nvidia.
 
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