Backfeed said in the SX600-G thread that he pre-ordered at Inet
Otherwise you can consider Alternate in Germany - product price is reasonable, but shipping to Sweden is 18 euros
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NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)
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Backfeed said in the SX600-G thread that he pre-ordered at Inet
Otherwise you can consider Alternate in Germany - product price is reasonable, but shipping to Sweden is 18 euros
CDON Denmark didn't allow pre-orders for this PSU (maybe they had too many pre-orders already) and the price was 10% higher than Alternate. When I checked Alternate in the morning a couple of days ago, they listed September 19 as their expected shipping date, but I didn't order one. When I got back to order one, the site said it wouldn't be in stock 'til next week. I ordered one anyway and maybe someone cancelled their order or they got more stock than expected, 'cause later that day I received my tacking number. Luck of the draw.
Now that the GTX 970/980 are out, I think we should make a list of the cards that do/don't fit in the case.
The EVGA SC ACX and EVGA FTW are both standard width and will fit.
Gigabyte G1 is standard width, but very long (~30 cm) because the cooler extends past the PCB. It will fit, but it will be tight.
The ASUS Strix doesn't fit because it's too wide.
MSI's Gaming cooler is 5.51" wide. It is technically wider than the 5.5" max width specified on ncases.com.
Gainward Phantom is roughly standard width and should fit. It is a 2½ slot cooler though so you definitely can't fit a 3.5" drive under it. It might be too wide since it's a 3-slot cooler?
Zotac Omega edition is supposedly 5.43" wide so it should technically fit, but extremely tightly. Zotac Extreme is 5.55" and probably too wide. The Zotac non-AMP aftermarket cooler is standard width and fits.
Most product dimensions found at Komplett.dk.
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Got a question for you guys. For those that use an extended loop, what fittings did you use on your GPU waterblock ? I used the same fittings Necere used in his first WC'ed test build, but can't find them anymore (out of production I guess). If you know of barbed fittings that are really low, please make yourself heard.
Thanks in advance for the replies
Thanks in advance for the replies
Got a question for you guys. For those that use an extended loop, what fittings did you use on your GPU waterblock ? I used the same fittings Necere used in his first WC'ed test build, but can't find them anymore (out of production I guess). If you know of barbed fittings that are really low, please make yourself heard.
Thanks in advance for the replies
I got mine from the swedish retailer Inet:
http://www.inet.se/produkt/6300142/13-10mm-fitting-90-g1-4-knurled-matte-black
edit: They don't seem to be barbed though.
Would that still be a problem if you watercool these cards? I kind of like the look of the Asus one.
Would that still be a problem if you watercool these cards? I kind of like the look of the Asus one.
If you are watercooling the GPU, you should take EVGA because they don't make trouble with warranty if you have replaced the stock cooler.
The ASUS Strix has a wide PCB and with the power connector it will definitely be too wide and not fit. Adding a waterblock usually makes the card even wider as the fittings are also on the side. So I think the Strix is still a no go in the M1 case jut like all other Strix solutions so far.
The reason i chose CDON is because they are the only one with a discount for students so i would get if for $20 USD less than Inet. Alternate seems like a solid alternative although i'd get it for a lot less through Amazon.com.
CDON cancelled the pre-order 3 days ago without a warning. Asked their customer service yesterday about it and they said they got less stock than expected. They didn't want to solve it either and just gave me some discount code for free shipping which i would of gotten anyways.
UPS surprised me by not only delivering on time, but also delivering to my apartment door. The Danish postal service just leaves a note that I can pick it up at a post office later.
Except you probably have to pay VAT and possibly other fees when it arrives. I don't know the Swedish customs rules, but here in Denmark it is always cheaper to buy inside Europe unless the product is less than 80 DKK ($14). For me, the SX600-G is $20 more expensive from Amazon.com than it is from Alternate.
Except you probably have to pay VAT and possibly other fees when it arrives. I don't know the Swedish customs rules, but here in Denmark it is always cheaper to buy inside Europe unless the product is less than 80 DKK ($14). For me, the SX600-G is $20 more expensive from Amazon.com than it is from Alternate.
Bummer, but thanks for the suggestion of the EVGA. I will take a look at that one.
We need more GPU-blocks from manufacturers!
Also, crossquote from the Asus ROG Impact VII thread
He used the EK-Sbay DDC 3.2 to mount a pump and res on the bottom of the case. One of the cleanest solutions with everything in the case I have seen thus far.Its an EK-SBAY DDC 3.2 PWM - Pump and reservoir combo
Works absolutely perfect and best of all since pump is not part of the radiator that is above all components there are no bubbles or any air trapped inside since its the lowest point in the case
I had this built a few months ago but moving to a new apartment and my wife's pregnancy have taken all of my time. Had it just standing there for a few months all done and complete. I will post the whole build soon so people can see what can be done in this case. Some things I have done in the case are a first that no one has done yet.
In terms of cost it is probably comparable with an Apogee Drive II + FrozenQ res combo @ $215 Vs. EK-SBAY DDC 3.2 + CPU block @ ~$200
Unless you get a fullcover block of course
($270)
Looks great! Are the cables any good? Was thinking about sleeving but that just makes them bigger.
As for the fees, because it doesn't exceed 1300SEK i don't have to pay customs but in every case I do need to pay VAT of about 25% I think. Amazon has free shipping so the total price including VAT would be 1155SEK, cheaper than in Sweden and shouldn't take too long to have delivered. I think the shipping cost from Alternate was like 18, so 142 total, in my case not as good as amazon but Denmark is close to Germany so I guess shipping is less.
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Is anyone else having serious mini-ITX second thoughts after the release of the GTX 900 series cards yesterday? I was all set to put a 980 in my M1, but then the retail pricing came out. Given how atrocious the performance/$ is compared to the 970, I'm severely tempted to SLI 970s. The M1 is gorgeous, and I've got a couple on the way, but the 25% higher performance/$ of the SLI option is hard to ignore. (And will probably improve once they get drivers better sorted for SLI scaling.) Anyone else in the same boat? Just looking for thoughts and opinions, I suppose.
Edit: Turns out EVGA are morons and removed two DisplayPorts on ALL of their 970s to add a second DVI port. Smooth guys, in late 2014, real smooth. That means that you'll only ever be able to use a single DP monitor since you can only use the outputs on one card in SLI. Guess I'm getting the 980.
Edit: Turns out EVGA are morons and removed two DisplayPorts on ALL of their 970s to add a second DVI port.
Smooth guys, in late 2014, real smooth. That means that you'll only ever be able to use a single DP monitor since you can only use the outputs on one card in SLI. Guess I'm getting the 980.
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Phuncz
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This isn't something new, it happens almost every year. The last time a high-end GPU was "worth" it's price was with the 8800GTX.
The GTX 970 has a comparable performance to the GTX 780Ti, but for half the price and with some new features. It is a very nice card for the price you pay.
The GTX 980 is faster but is it worth 70% more with about 10% more performance ? That depends if you were willing to dish out the full price for the GTX 780Ti two months ago.
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I agree, but my point was that it usually doesn't happen to this extent. Generally it's a bit of a performance per dollar decrease from the X70 to the X80, but this year it's around 50% better perf/$ for a single 770 and 20-25% better for SLI'd 770s. That's abnormal. Also I think the performance gap is closer to 20%, not 10%.
Even the 750 Ti Strix?
The 750 Ti Strix will fit fine - it's a small card with a smaller cooler. It's just the larger Strix cards that are too tall. As a reminder, size restrictions for the M1 are listed on our site, and most manufacturers provide dimensions in the product spec sheet.
Thanks for the clarification.
I bought the 750 Ti Strix a couple of weeks ago and was pretty sure I did my homework on whether it would fit or not.
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Well, I'm prepared for the M1's arrival next week. EVGA GTX 980 and 16GB of Crucial VLP DDR3 are inbound, as is an SX600-G. Now if I can just get Microcenter to actually stock the Impact VII so I don't need to go with the Z97I-Plus when I get the 4790k this weekend, I'll be all set. Currently debating whether to hold off a week or two and see if they get them in.
Water or air, that's the question now. I sort of want to be able to take the machine as an airline carry-on, which would require air, plus it's so much less effort and maintenance, and way cheaper besides. But water is cooler, quieter, and more OC-able. Decisions, decisions.
Water or air, that's the question now. I sort of want to be able to take the machine as an airline carry-on, which would require air, plus it's so much less effort and maintenance, and way cheaper besides. But water is cooler, quieter, and more OC-able. Decisions, decisions.
I'm only guessing, but with a TDP of just 175 W (or similar), the GTX 980 is very unlikely to be this generation's high-end card. Until now, ~250 W has been the norm. By beating AMD to the finish line, the GTX 980 will rake in money until AMD has a counter. As is obvious when looking at the GTX 980 TDP, there is quite a bit more performance to squeeze out of this generation. AMD will definitely beat the GTX 980 with the R9 300 series, they just have to increase performance by 20% which is relatively easy. Usually, performance increases 30% every generation.
When AMD counters the GTX 980, NVIDIA counters with the GTX 980 TI which will be a 250W monster. When that happens, GTX 980 MSRP drops and GTX 980 TI takes its place out of necessity (AMD will price their flagship similarly to the GTX 980, but offer better performance, so the GTX 980 TI will have to be priced aggressively to compete).
Of course, they could choose not to release anything bigger, like they did with GTX 600. The low bar they've set and last generation's 780 TI that countered the R9 290X suggests otherwise though.
I went with air (NH-C14, push pull with Corsair SF120 at the bottom) because I know I will be carrying my desktop once in a while. As far as noise goes my Reference 7970 fan is way louder when gaming, so it might not matter how quiet water cooling is if your graphics card is loud (unless you water cool it too). Both are very quiet when not gaming. Temperature-wise I am running 2500k @ 4.2GHZ and maxes at 60C with 26C ambient, so I still have room for some OC and be within acceptable temps. Not sure about 4790k temps, but air cooling is enough for me
On a side note. Did our M1's arrive yet?! I am excited and can't wait any longer!!
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I don't doubt that we'll see faster cards with higher TDPs, but it's still the flagship. I doubt there are any disabled SMMs on the 980 dies, though I don't know for sure. The higher power part you speculate about will probably be like the Titan. Same architecture, but a completely different die. I'd remind you that the i7 920 generation were 130W parts, and the 4770k generation is an 84W part. Powers come down, and they don't always go back up.
I'd water cool both card and proc with a 240mm rad and a custom loop if I went with water. My main concern is GPU noise on air, the air CPU coolers today are quiet enough as is. My last air cooled GPU was a GTX 295. It sounded like a jet engine when I played Battlefield.
There's a few photos of the cases in what I assume is w360's garage. Go back 2 pages.
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I disagree, Titan is a separate line of cards. They aren't meant to replace the regular GeForce cards, but rather be a mid-point between GeForce and Quadro. There will be a 980 TI or a similar card that's faster than the 980 and slower than whatever Titan card they make. They will do it out of necessity when AMD beats the 980. Because the Titan line are compute cards, NVIDIA can't afford to price them aggressively or they'll eat into the Quadro sales. Competing on performance alone is worthless if AMD is significantly cheaper. To compete on both price and performance, they need a non-Titan GeForce card.
As for you analogy, the i7 920 was an enthusiast Nehalem part (codenamed Bloomfield). Intel also made the mainstream Lynnfield CPUs for the 1156 socket. The Lynnfield/Bloomfield relationship is more like the Haswell/Haswell-E relationship or perhaps Haswell/Ivy Bridge-E since Bloomfield came before Lynnfield. Your analogy would only work if you compared the i7 920 and the 5820K/4820K which happen to be 140 W and 130 W parts respectively.
Checking the model, I have exactly 141mm. Now, models are going to vary a little from reality in practice, as might the manufacturer specs, but I'd give it a better than even chance of fitting. What might be a concern though is if the card's heatpipes are contacting the side panel there may be some contact vibration from the fans. Best info I can give you.
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Great info, looks like the best bet for a semi-passive cooling system for a 970 or 980 will be with MSI's Twin Frozr V (God these names are cheesy)
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It's been well documented that blower/reference style coolers work best, but what has been your experience using the axial fan cooler? What exactly are the downsides and is there a way to improve airflow?
Yes i know, if i have a chance to test a reference design cooler i will do it because i'm also curious.
In my current setup my GPU idles at 28-29 degrees C.
And i've put for the video 2x 120 mm Bitfenix Specter fans that blow into it and are like < 30 CFM i think, not much.
In gaming it's under 70 C all the time, 67-68 for now after 30 minutes of Crysis 3.
Room temperature ~ 20 degrees.
For me very good numbers, i will put 2 Nosieblockers eLOOPs PWM and see what will happen if they will influence in a good way.
I used to had the GPU by its own and since i've put those 2 weak fans temperatures dropped by 2-3 degrees.
So that's why i want to try with more powerful fans. I will come back with feedback once i get more fans.
The rest of the system:
I have 4 vents in the other half of the case.
1x120 to blow into the cpu from the side (M12-P)
1x120 on the heat sink ( eLOOP B12-P)
1x120 to blow into the SFX PSU ( eLOOP B12-P)
1x 92 mm to exhaust near the CPU (PE-P)
All PWM so ded silent at idle and in load they don't go over 50 % rpm and also quiet.
All controled via a Swiftech splitter.
CPU at 29-30 idle (2700k @ stock @ Thermalright AXP-100R)
http://i.imgur.com/kpVYXbA.jpg
And for example my CPU temperatures dropped a lot with this setup.
From 66 degrees C with the stock Thermalright 100 mm fan (with no other fan) to 49-50 C with all the fans now.
My main reason to upgrade the GTX 760 MSI OC is if i can't play Witcher 3 at max @ FHD.
The new 970 is very appealing.
Wait until then and see.
In my current setup my GPU idles at 28-29 degrees C.
And i've put for the video 2x 120 mm Bitfenix Specter fans that blow into it and are like < 30 CFM i think, not much.
In gaming it's under 70 C all the time, 67-68 for now after 30 minutes of Crysis 3.
Room temperature ~ 20 degrees.
For me very good numbers, i will put 2 Nosieblockers eLOOPs PWM and see what will happen if they will influence in a good way.
I used to had the GPU by its own and since i've put those 2 weak fans temperatures dropped by 2-3 degrees.
So that's why i want to try with more powerful fans. I will come back with feedback once i get more fans.
The rest of the system:
I have 4 vents in the other half of the case.
1x120 to blow into the cpu from the side (M12-P)
1x120 on the heat sink ( eLOOP B12-P)
1x120 to blow into the SFX PSU ( eLOOP B12-P)
1x 92 mm to exhaust near the CPU (PE-P)
All PWM so ded silent at idle and in load they don't go over 50 % rpm and also quiet.
All controled via a Swiftech splitter.
CPU at 29-30 idle (2700k @ stock @ Thermalright AXP-100R)
http://i.imgur.com/kpVYXbA.jpg
And for example my CPU temperatures dropped a lot with this setup.
From 66 degrees C with the stock Thermalright 100 mm fan (with no other fan) to 49-50 C with all the fans now.
My main reason to upgrade the GTX 760 MSI OC is if i can't play Witcher 3 at max @ FHD.
The new 970 is very appealing.
Wait until then and see.
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And for fun this came out. The G20
http://www.asus.com/Microsite/rog/GR8_G20/
Looks very nice.
This number caught my eye.
It has 12.5 Liters.
A testimony of how great the NCase is with its versatility and design at 12.6 L.
And this G20 has 2 external PSUs and it's the same number. Wow.
Necere we salute you.
http://www.asus.com/Microsite/rog/GR8_G20/
Looks very nice.
This number caught my eye.
It has 12.5 Liters.
A testimony of how great the NCase is with its versatility and design at 12.6 L.
And this G20 has 2 external PSUs and it's the same number. Wow.
Necere we salute you.
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Wasn't sure where "2 external PSUs" came from since I haven't been paying attention to this, so I did a search and found the pic below. Wow. On the other hand, it appears that Asus is using a custom motherboard for this, with the PCIe x16 slot located on the opposite end of the board, BTX-style.
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I'm running a 670 reference right now and I've been looking at an open air cooler for a while. I was curious on how the temps are. I don't want to put any fans below the video, but if you're getting only 2-3 degrees difference, then maybe that's doable.
Big thanks, I think I'll wait and see how things go for yours!
This G20 abomination is a joke compared to the M1.
* The looks (but sure, the target audience probably likes it)
* The inflexibility (in every aspect, and also a custom motherboard? WTF?)
* The wasted space (can't even fit a psu)
... and so on.
Gotta love their marketing bullshit as well.
But yeah, it's clearly a Steam Machine style case. Not the same category as the M1. Same category as the LRPC though, but the LRPC is a lot better than the G20 in every possible way.
* The looks
(but sure, the target audience probably likes it)* The inflexibility (in every aspect, and also a custom motherboard? WTF?)
* The wasted space (can't even fit a psu)
... and so on.
Gotta love their marketing bullshit as well.
But yeah, it's clearly a Steam Machine style case. Not the same category as the M1. Same category as the LRPC though, but the LRPC is a lot better than the G20 in every possible way.
does the black aluminium show fingerprints and stains like every other black aluminium item ever made or is there some voodoo magic that makes it more fingerprint/dust/oil resistant? fingerprints drive me bonkers its why i usually opt for silver if given the chance with aluminium
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Stop touching your PC so much, and you won't have that problem.. perv!
..or just wipe it down afterwards. I use monitor wipes, and the fingerprint stains disappear.
Oh great, i ordered myself Asus 980 reference card...but according to shipping confirmation i got, they have send me gigabyte 970 Windforce instead. Now thats fine card, but if i read those numbers right, it just wont fit M1, simple as that. ...well the price -was- a bit on low side for 980. :/
I think it will fit, actually. Reference height is 111mm, and from pics of the Windforce 970, it's clear the PCB is no taller than reference, and the cooler extends only another couple millimeters. I think the 129mm height they list in the specs is actually measured from the bottom of the bracket, rather than the bottom of the PCB, which is a 15mm height difference. It still sucks that they sent you the wrong card, but at least you can use it.