Venezuelan Government Shuts Down Internet

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Internet connectivity in Venezuela has been shut off in areas of the country due to political and social unrest. Social media and TV stations have also been reported to be the target of suppression and suspension.

The President Maduro went on to suggest that "no one is going to come from abroad and try to perturb the psychological climate of Venezuela."
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To quote Winston Churchill:

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

Anyone with a knowledge of history knew that the Venezuela economy would eventually collapse.
It was only a mater of how long it would take and how bad it was going to be.
Looks like the end is near, and it's going to be bad as the corrupt people in charge are not going to give up their power easily.
 
could just as easily happen here, we need to get the meshnet up pronto
 
nutzo said:
To quote Winston Churchill:

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

Anyone with a knowledge of history knew that the Venezuela economy would eventually collapse.
It was only a mater of how long it would take and how bad it was going to be.
Looks like the end is near, and it's going to be bad as the corrupt people in charge are not going to give up their power easily.
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And anyone who truly understands what the term socialism actually means wouldn't equate it at all with Venezuela, nor spout such ignorant aristocratic stupidity from Churchill...

*China, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, New Zealand, Belgium.

A quick Google brings up these as the most "socialist" countries in the world, and China really shouldn't be on there at all IMO..

But if you look at the rest of the list, you'll note these countries are pretty much all ranked at the top of the world rankings when it comes to pretty much everything that matters for a society (education, health, healthcare, well-being/happiness, etc. etc.) and are generally considered much nicer places to live and be a citizen of than the United States (we rank well into the 20s on those lists btw.)

Hell, having spent some time in a few of these countries I'd gladly trade in my U.S. citizenship to stay if so many of them weren't so damn cold for much of the year...

Socialism isn't a bad thing, it's just been made a dirty word by those who wish to keep the majority of the populace poor, unempowered, and under the thumb of the rich elite.

I'd argue that rabid, unrestrained capitalism is in fact the true evil we should really fear, and if we'd been a bit more "socialist" way back in the 1970s (before Regan came in and fucked everything up) when the rest of the world was being more progressive, we'd still be a lot better off today instead of a slowly dying empire who can't even comprehend the metric system...
 
It does seems like there are many social unrest lately. From Ukraine to Thailand and now Venezuela (not to mention Syria which have been dragged on for a long time).
 
There are some countries that just need to no longer exist and be given back to mother nature.
 
Hornet said:
It does seems like there are many social unrest lately. From Ukraine to Thailand and now Venezuela (not to mention Syria which have been dragged on for a long time).
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No it is just in places we notice it.

Anyone remember the darfur genocide? I thought not.
 
Exavior said:
There are some countries that just need to no longer exist and be given back to mother nature.
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:rolleyes:

I guess since we don't get all our oil from there who gives a crap...
 
FLECOM said:
:rolleyes:

I guess since we don't get all our oil from there who gives a crap...
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What does a government, people and cities have anything to do with us getting oil?

I also said countries. There are a number of them that the world could do without.

If tomorrow you woke up and heard that North Korea was no more and was just a large jungle now could you think of any negative from that? Same for any of the African countries that are ran by groups that just enslave, rape and kill their people. If they just vanished is that a problem?

I know if Mexico was to vanish tomorrow people would be upset because there would be no place them for them to get cheap workers, drugs and alcohol from.
 
Exavior said:
I know if Mexico was to vanish tomorrow people would be upset because there would be no place them for them to get cheap workers, drugs and alcohol from.
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wow... just... wow... sad
 
Exavior said:
I know if Mexico was to vanish tomorrow people would be upset because there would be no place them for them to get cheap workers, drugs and alcohol from.
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Wow, sir, you are uneducated, more money needs to be invested into the school system for proper teachings so we don't get anymore of your kind......
 
felt said:
Wow, sir, you are uneducated, more money needs to be invested into the school system for proper teachings so we don't get anymore of your kind......
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You are right chipotle would be pissed when they can't sell people a tiny plastic cup of guacamole for 2.79 because they ran out of avocados.
 
Socialism at it's finest on display once again and proving what an epic failure it is.
Those in power will do anything and everything to hold onto that power.
 
Hornet said:
It does seems like there are many social unrest lately. From Ukraine to Thailand and now Venezuela (not to mention Syria which have been dragged on for a long time).
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The news is fairly negative and constantly, we are bombarded by largely negative stories and only slight and few positive stories which largely causes our brains to feel that's the accurate ratio of good to bad in our daily world. It only seems like there's a lot of social unrest lately as that's what you are being shown. Try unplugging from news, tv and plugging into positive local events and the world will seem like a 100x more friendly and a better place.
 
Exavior said:
What does a government, people and cities have anything to do with us getting oil?

I also said countries. There are a number of them that the world could do without.

If tomorrow you woke up and heard that North Korea was no more and was just a large jungle now could you think of any negative from that? Same for any of the African countries that are ran by groups that just enslave, rape and kill their people. If they just vanished is that a problem?

I know if Mexico was to vanish tomorrow people would be upset because there would be no place them for them to get cheap workers, drugs and alcohol from.
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If we are going to grade countries by age then the USA is a pretty young country ... maybe we should go away too :p

My new job takes me down to Mexico a lot ... Mexicans are conscientious workers and citizens ... I definitely would NOT put Mexico at the top of the list of failed states

As to nations, one could argue that ALL nations should go away ... our nationalistic tendencies are strictly geographic ways for us to differentiate between a uniform species ... if we could ever reach the point where we cease to think of ourselves as Europeans, or Americans, or Asians and start to think of ourselves as Earthlings or Humans, just think what we could accomplish ... the stars would truly be within our grasp at that point :cool:
 
Please, to people saying this is another failure to Socialism. Just shut up.

Maduro is not socialism, its a dictatorship in disguise.
 
Brownstone said:
Please, to people saying this is another failure to Socialism. Just shut up.

Maduro is not socialism, its a dictatorship in disguise.
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Basically. You want successful socialism you look at Europe, you want failed socialism you look at Venezuela. What's the diff between Germany and Venezuela? It's not socialism, it's the breakdown of democracy and rampant corruption, going down the path of authoritarianism.

If there was a bet to be made on who's next and it was between us and Germans, it would be no contest, we're the ones suffering from corruption more so we'd be first in line.

Not that I think we'd ever reach this point really, it's not bad enough yet for the average shrinking middle class here, and the populace is docile as long as they can follow their petty celebrity gossip.
 
Moderate socialism isn't bad, it's how it should be. Sure I pay a lot of taxes (Canada) but I don't care, we don't have any Detroit here so as long as it's controlled it's a perfectly fine way of living. The problem is and always will be corruption, you have elected officials who run the country like a dictatorship and when you control the army there's not much the people can do without outside help.
 
Vorret said:
Moderate socialism isn't bad, it's how it should be. Sure I pay a lot of taxes (Canada) but I don't care, we don't have any Detroit here so as long as it's controlled it's a perfectly fine way of living. The problem is and always will be corruption, you have elected officials who run the country like a dictatorship and when you control the army there's not much the people can do without outside help.
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I think socialism can only be successful in an already established economy. For developing nations to try excessive levels of socialism before they have fully developed their economies and social conventions to the level to reach developed status is doomed to failure. Socialism takes money, and the only economies that can produce that level of funds are those of fully developed nations.
 
Socialism in Latin America is used as a front for corrupt politicians to wave in front of gullible masses. I live in Argentina, this is how its done.

This is not true socialism any more than the war on Irak was to establish a democracy just because the US is the good guy.
 
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http://www.socialinteractionacademy.com/articulos/whats-going-venezuela/
 
Brownstone said:
Socialism in Latin America is used as a front for corrupt politicians to wave in front of gullible masses. I live in Argentina, this is how its done.

This is not true socialism any more than the war on Irak was to establish a democracy just because the US is the good guy.
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Exactly. This situation in Venezuela has been brewing ever since the Chavistas overran the country. The government's policies have gutted the economy to the point that basic supplies such as food, medicine, and toiletries are in short supply. This is of course blamed on capitalists and that the government and the people are the innocent victims of the capitalists. Those that speak up about the misery of the system are then labeled fascists or yankee collaborators.

Meanwhile, they want you to continue to believe in the legitimacy of a government that has a Ministry of Supreme Social Happiness.
 
WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot said:
And anyone who truly understands what the term socialism actually means wouldn't equate it at all with Venezuela, nor spout such ignorant aristocratic stupidity from Churchill...
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Maybe you should tell that to Maduro and his dead predecessor, instead of bitching at anyone who notices the after-effects of socialism throughout world history.

Union of Soviet What Republics?
 
and are generally considered much nicer places to live and be a citizen of than the United States (we rank well into the 20s on those lists btw.)
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Not by me, been there seen the bullshit. Keep on believing it tho man, keep on.

I am 53, been around a little bit, seen a little bit. Pretty soon I'll be hitting the end of my earning days. I think of how the government keeps screwing me over and start thinking I should move somewhere better. Problem is, there ain't no place better.
 
Brownstone said:
Please, to people saying this is another failure to Socialism. Just shut up.
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Shortened it up for you. This is all you're really saying. You just want people to stop saying bad things about a system you like. Get over it. Maduro screamed socialism with every other word, as did Chavez. Pretending otherwise just shows how insecure you are about the system you're trying to protect.
 
Look, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, and Belgium would have all been the USSR had they're defense not been so heavily subsidized by the US during the Cold War. Some provided a small token Army but none of them spent any serious amount of their GDP towards their own defense. In short, they only did enough to keep the US there standing up for them. Now I am not saying we did this all just for them because we did it for ourselves. But I am saying that if the US had not taken on that burden these countries would have been absorbed into the USSR in one fashion or another. These countries still to this day rely on others for their defense and save their pennies for their "advanced socialist paradise".
 
lcpiper said:
Look, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, and Belgium would have all been the USSR had they're defense not been so heavily subsidized by the US during the Cold War.
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Apart from Norway, they already are. The European Union has started wars, replaced heads of state with impunity, and plundered nations through the Central Bank. Barroso is just Khruschev with more polish.
 
I think socialism can only be successful in an already established economy.
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Which brings up a paradox.

If I am a small country, underdeveloped, etc, and I want to grow up and be a Socialized Nation, refined, and hold my pinkie finger just so while taking my tea. What form of government do I adopt in the mean time while I create the economy to support the land of milk and honey?

Which form of government do you propose I use as I crawl from despotism through monarchy, capitalism, etc?
 
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