NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti Video Card Review @ [H]

Modred189 said:
If you base your decisions on company marketing as opposed to research, you deserve to be shafted.:rolleyes:
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what the fuck are you rolling your eyes for? research what? its BS to say the Titan was not a damn gaming card. it most certainly was and just because it did double duty does not change that. and I guess I can roll my eyes right back. :rolleyes:
 
Let's do this.
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Seriously, though, a little research would have shown that this was not a card solely designed for gaming, and that you were paying for features above and beyond that purpose.
 
It's nice to see that this card is faster than the 290x but $150 faster? hmmmm....
It wins hands down on the look department though. Those nvidia coolers look absolutely badass. AMD's design looks cheap and plastic-y in comparison.

I do wonder what the r9 290x can do if it isn't being throttled by heat. Just let it crank the fan all the way up and deliver maximum performance. now that review i would like to see :p
 
IMHO, the 780 and 780Ti are already obsolete for 4K gaming, coming with only 3GB of memory. There are already situations where this is holding back the cards.

With the custom cooled R 290 and R9 290X cards coming out at the end of November, the crossfire issues mostly resolved on R9 290(X) cards, and the better AMD pricing schema, I don't see any reason to buy nVidia anymore, especially for gamers like me who primarily play games that run better on AMD cards, like COH2. Mantle may only seal this deal entirely.
 
cannondale06 said:
what the fuck are you rolling your eyes for? research what? its BS to say the Titan was not a damn gaming card. it most certainly was and just because it did double duty does not change that. and I guess I can roll my eyes right back. :rolleyes:
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I game on a Quadro all the time at work, it's not a gaming card either.

Titan was never a gaming card. It was an odd beast with features that put it halfway between a consumer and professional product, and it shipped with a price to match. The features that do nothing for gaming were heavily hyped as selling points, it was also hyped as a cheap way to get your hands on a Tesla. If you thought it was a gaming product, well you read the wrong stuff and were a fool and got your money taken as one. Nobody has lost any value on their Titan purchase despite the 780ti... because the reason Titan is worth $$$$ instead of just $$$ are the non gaming features that the 780ti still lacks. If you feel you lost money, well then you didn't understand the product you were purchasing, that's your fault not nvidia's.

Personally I like that gamers bought them. That means we can have the top product be a nice prosumer at a higher price point next time. Say 2k per card with a bit more pro level features! Having products that bridge the gap between consumer and professional isn't a bad thing. We wolfed up tons of Titans for GPU computing work. Plus I don't really have to choose between the cards at home.
 
acerbic said:
I game on a Quadro all the time at work, it's not a gaming card either.

Titan was never a gaming card. It was an odd beast with features that put it halfway between a consumer and professional product, and it shipped with a price to match. The features that do nothing for gaming were heavily hyped as selling points, it was also hyped as a cheap way to get your hands on a Tesla. If you thought it was a gaming product, well you read the wrong stuff and were a fool and got your money taken as one. Nobody has lost any value on their Titan purchase despite the 780ti... because the reason Titan is worth $$$$ instead of just $$$ are the non gaming features that the 780ti still lacks. If you feel you lost money, well then you didn't understand the product you were purchasing, that's your fault not nvidia's.

Personally I like that gamers bought them. That means we can have the top product be a nice prosumer at a higher price point next time. Say 2k per card with a bit more pro level features! Having products that bridge the gap between consumer and professional isn't a bad thing. We wolfed up tons of Titans for GPU computing work. Plus I don't really have to choose between the cards at home.
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is the Quadro listed as a gaming card in reviews or through Nvidia? no. the Titan IS a gaming card and AGAIN just because it can do other things does not change that. and also AGAIN its as silly as saying the 7970 is not a gaming card either since it can do more. the Titan was sold and marketed as the fastest single gpu gaming card they made until 780 ti.
 
killernerd said:
It's nice to see that this card is faster than the 290x but $150 faster? hmmmm....
It wins hands down on the look department though. Those nvidia coolers look absolutely badass. AMD's design looks cheap and plastic-y in comparison.

I do wonder what the r9 290x can do if it isn't being throttled by heat. Just let it crank the fan all the way up and deliver maximum performance. now that review i would like to see :p
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The Nvidia cards do look better but that doesn't make the 290x cheap. The 780s are the same thing the only difference is they cut a hole in their shroud and stuck a plexiglass window on it while spray painting it silver so it looks industrial.
 
subspeed6 said:
So I'm not the only one who does this?
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Nope. People game on actual workstations with xeons, quadros, ECC RAM all the time. It's stupidly expensive and made for you know... work instead of gaming. But it'll do it all the same. Hell my friend runs the GPU/super computing lab over at GWU which is full of nvidia GPUs, people play games there as well. ;)

For them Titan is dirt fucking Tesla. It's a steal, it would still be a steal if it cost more. The 780ti does not lower the value of the cards they bought at all.
 
acerbic said:
Titan was never a gaming card.
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Yes it was, lots of us have them, c'mon. Nobody buys a Quadro to game. If you game on a Quadro, it's because it was there and convenient. Titan was also bandied as the poor man's 6GB compute card without ECC.
 
cannondale06 said:
is the Quadro listed as a gaming card in reviews or through Nvidia? no. the Titan IS a gaming card and AGAIN just because it can do other things does not change that. and also AGAIN its as silly as saying the 7970 is not a gaming card either since it can do more. the Titan was sold and marketed as the fastest single gpu gaming card they made until 780 ti.
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You are a marketing departments wet dream and an engineering departments worst nightmare.
 
acerbic said:
You are a marketing departments wet dream and an engineering departments worst nightmare.
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I am well aware of what the Titan was capable of. it was still a fucking gaming card and was used as such for most people that bought one. :rolleyes:
 
cannondale06 said:
is the Quadro listed as a gaming card in reviews or through Nvidia? no. the Titan IS a gaming card and AGAIN just because it can do other things does not change that. and also AGAIN its as silly as saying the 7970 is not a gaming card either since it can do more. the Titan was sold and marketed as the fastest single gpu gaming card they made until 780 ti.
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Thats my view as well. Nvidia made it as a gaming card, marketed as a gaming card and sold it as one. If you ask them, Nvidia will most likely say its a gaming card that can do some extra thing that their quadro can. I dont know why acerbic thinks its the other way around. I havent really seen the Titans bench marked against quadro cards so I dont know how it does in that environment but I would say that the Titan wont be as good as a dedicated quadro card.
 
You people saying that Titan wasn't a gaming GPU are bonkers. The headlines are NV were "the ultimate gamers card" and marketed as such when it was released; It was a gaming card with full built in CUDA functionality, period. In fact the NV information page still states "revolutionary gaming". Clearly a goddamn non-gamers card is a "revolutionary gaming" card. That's what some of you are saying. :rolleyes:

In fact, I dare say that 999 out of 1000 people that traverses forums such as that own a Titan never touched CUDA development. In fact, you can do CUDA development on a GTX 780 as well, and the Titan does not actually replicate Quadro in other applications such as 3DS max, adobe suite, etc (it is far slower). So with this being the case seeing the statement "titan wasn't for gaming" is fucking hilarious. Come on.
 
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OpStar said:
AFAIK the 290x doesn't come out of the box with "Uber Mode" enabled does it? So out of the box experience the 780 Ti is faster, quieter and consumes less power. Worth the price difference imo.

In the original 290x review they even stated:

"For the purpose of this evaluation, all the gameplay is tested in the default position of "Quiet Mode" because this is the position that the BIOS will be in for all retail shipping video cards.".

So it seems weird to me that in the 780 Ti review they chose to only test the 290x using "Uber Mode".
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Yes, first time out we wanted to test out-of-the-box performance, just as it was delivered. We also did testing in Uber Mode as well, just not as in-depth. Brent and I discussed it after that and decided there was no reason to again test in Quiet Mode considering our audience. I would suggest that our core readership here is going to be more interested in Uber Mode results rather than Quiet Mode.

DisposableHero said:
The review said "same cooling" does this mean Titan water blocks fit the Ti?
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To my understanding, no those two are not interchangeable, but let me ask NVIDIA.

cannondale06 said:
yeah I wasn't aware that we were all switching to 4k this generation.
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I will let go of multi-display when I can buy a 42" 4K 120Hz panel and not have to mortgage my kids souls.

OpStar said:
The 780 shroud is metal, not plastic.
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Not much plastic on those coolers at all. The original Titan cooler had a lot of Magnesium in it as well and it was dropped due to production expense on the 780 and 780 Ti.



As for you guys arguing about Titan not being marketed as a gaming card...well that is bullshit. Titan was exactly marketed as a gaming solution. No directors from NVIDIA sat around here in the office with us and talked about how awesome it would be crunch magnetic well head data sets.

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What's all this stuff about noise?

Guru3d had the 290x @ 43dB
780 Ti @ 41 dB

From 75cm away, pretty much a normal spot on the floor, if you have your case next to you...you should buy a better desk.

even Kyle said the 290x sitting on a bench wide open next to him wasn't bad.
 
I bought a 780 on sale a few months ago, and in addition to the performance and efficiency one of the positive selling points was how well nvidia had always maintained it's prices. 480, 580, 680, all held strong on pricing throughout their shelf lives.
Not so with the 780...Not only do they slash the price point of the 780, they knock it down a rung in the product line as well. I didn't see any 480Ti, 580Ti, or 680Ti's come out in the past. I'm annoyed as it is, but if I'd paid anywhere near the $650 MSRP I'd be pissed.

780Ti isn't a bad card, but it feels like nvidia was just holding out on 780 buyers.
 
Excellent review and must admit, after reading this one and anandtechs, I have a bigger respect for this site reviews.

Looking at the numbers, I dont understand how anandtechs claims that the 780ti truly dominates the 290x.

Anyway, glad AMD is able to stay on this race.
 
when both the 290x and 780 ti are oced the 780ti easily pulls ways even further. anandtech got a really poor overclock as the others I have seen so far showed really good overclocking. pricing sucks though and Nvidia really needs to lower the 780 price to $449 and the ti price to $599.
 
cannondale06 said:
when both the 290x and 780 ti are oced the 780ti easily pulls ways even further. anandtech got a really poor overclock as the others I have seen so far showed really good overclocking. pricing sucks though and Nvidia really needs to lower the 780 price to $449 and the ti price to $599.
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I'm not so sure that will be the case when the 290x gets a proper cooler.
 
cannondale06 said:
when both the 290x and 780 ti are oced the 780ti easily pulls ways even further. anandtech got a really poor overclock as the others I have seen so far showed really good overclocking. pricing sucks though and Nvidia really needs to lower the 780 price to $449 and the ti price to $599.
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And I would suggest that the true results for that would best lie in large display gaming, in excess of 1600p where we tested today at. The fact of the matter is these cards don't "need" to overclocked at 1080p/1400p/1600p.

We are working on our full BF4 eval now as well that will be fully based on mutiplayer gaming that requires higher framerates so we will see how that works out at 1600p and lower.
 
Mungojerrie said:
I'm not so sure that will be the case when the 290x gets a proper cooler.
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I am not sure any cooler can handle much more ocing. the 290x is fairly close to the edge without going bananas with power consumption from what i have seen. the 290x oc that tpu did made the system power consumption go up over an additional 200 watts which is insane. and the oced 780ti will probably distance itself enough to where the 290x will not catch it anyway. lol for 150 more bucks it had better though.
 
cannondale06 said:
I am not sure any cooler can handle much more ocing. the 290x is fairly close to the edge without going bananas with power consumption from what i have seen. the 290x oc that tpu did made the system power consumption go up over an additional 200 watts which is insane. and the oced 780ti will probably distance itself enough to where the 290x will not catch it anyway. lol for 150 more bucks it had better though.
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Yes, better cooling beyond the somewhat anemic reference cooler will certainly not be of any benefit. /Sarcasm. You do however make some valid points about power consumption.

Since you are making your point again, which we have read already before, I will make mine again. Let's see what happens with BF4, and let's see what happens in multi-display and 4K. :)
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Bennett [[email protected]]
Received: Thursday, 07 Nov 2013, 13:45
To: Bryan Del Rizzo
CC: 'Brent Justice' [[email protected]]
Subject: 780 Ti Cooling
Are the cooling system attachment points the same between Titan and 780 Ti? Got people asking if water blocks that fit Titan would fit 780 Ti. Obviously looking to upgrade.... I think I remember being told no, but want to verify. Thanks.
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I stand corrected. NVIDIA sez: "Yeppers," to our question.
 
I am going to hold out for a 290x with a better cooler. I am thinking that the 780ti will be pretty comparable to a 290x with a better cooler tho I also think some of the 780s with after market coolers (MSI or Galaxy) are pretty good deals as they are pretty close to the 780ti when OCed.

I will say that I am still pissed at Nvidia at the way they have been pricing their cards. They lost a lot of "good will" in my book and I may go AMD just to reward them for coming in at a price point that is more reasonable for those that do frequent upgrades.
 
Kyle, Brent:

An excellent review!

Where do you see the 780ti vs. 290X on the drivers front? It looks like the 780ti is already mostly polished from being an outgrowth of the GK110 line while the 290X is a decently significant architecture overhaul.

I am interested in seeing if you would change your collective minds about the silver rating once you look at overclocking a 780ti. Yes, OCing is not really necessary at 1600p or lower, but quite a few gamers are starting to buy 3x 1440p panels through Korean grey market imports. The OC reviews I have seen seem to show ~15% frame rate improvement whereas the 290x desperately needs improved coolers (if not water cooling) before it can be steady at 1GHz without quite a bit of noise. Due to present thermal limits, the 290X does not seem to be quite as OC friendly.

For some comedy, check out Tom's review. Compared to the fanboy troll from the 290 thread, Tom is definitely shilling. This is a reviewer that is very much in the tank for NVidia what with the Review vs Retail 290x samples to further contrast the implied quality of AMDs and NVidia's offering. Then again, that site did mysteriously re-rate the 7970 as suddenly generating fewer fps than the 7950 when the 680 came out.
 
Ugh I feel so owned. Bought a 770 for 410 bucks before this mess and now I can step up to a 780 for 90 bucks, or pay 300 for a 780Ti. Had i the option to choose before this I would've waited out the R9 290X - but now i have a card whose value depreciated a month after buying it.

gg me.
 
The Avalon said:
Ugh I feel so owned. Bought a 770 for 410 bucks before this mess and now I can step up to a 780 for 90 bucks, or pay 300 for a 780Ti. Had i the option to choose before this I would've waited out the R9 290X - but now i have a card whose value depreciated a month after buying it.

gg me.
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well spending 90 bucks will get you the 780 for 500 total just like anyone else would pay now so really you lost nothing if wanting to stick with nvidia. I guess you will miss out on the games though which would help offset the cost between the 290x and 780.
 
Canon:
The point it looks like Avalon is making is that the comparatively "low" price of the 290X makes buying a 770 feel like a waste of money.

To The Avalon:

Think about those of us with launch day 7970's paying $550-600 a pop. 280X are priced more than a few pennies lower than that. But if I were in the market for a new video card (rather than my long delayed switched to water cooled 7970s in trifire) then I would probably go team green rather than team red. All things considered, pay for the upgrade to a 780ti... At least some green vendors have an upgrade program.
 
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roki977 said:
Its not that bad value as it seems. Faster than 290x. More usable in real life, more quiet with less heat and more OC headroom. 3 games in bundle. 3gb of Vram is only real weak point in future.

It more or less OC monster when I look at some reviews. Dont know why [H] dont do OC test anymore.
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Time, you try doing two video card launch reviews in the same week. Things not covered in the launch reviews can and will be done in followups.
 
martinmsj said:
I don't believe this is correct. The 290X is GCN1.1 with more computing units. The equivalent of 770 -> 780 (7970 -> 290) The 7790 is same architecture (GCN1.1) with a smudge of computing units.
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Correct, 290X is more like GCN 1.1
 
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