3770k VS 4770K performance/heat

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Hello,

I am looking to buy an Intel CPU. I've been seeing some sales and probably will see more clearance sales for the 3770K. I've also been looking at some benchmarks (non with games though) and I can not seem to see much of a performance difference between the two. Are there any specific benchmarks I should be looking at?

If I could save a decent amount of money ($50+) would it be advisable to save the money and get a 3770K over the 4770k? And how do the temps compare?

Finally I noticed they have different sockets. Will it be reasonable to assume that Intel will keep LGA 1150 for a long time giving us the ability to upgrade CPUs while keeping motherboards? Or do they change sockets around every 2-3 years?
 
I'm happy with my Ivy Bridge system but for what it's worth, if I had to buy a new board and CPU right now I'd go Haswell. Get an aftermarket cooler, any decent one, whether you go Ivy or Haswell. The stock cooler is not that great and not suitable for any overclocking. there will most likely be one upgrade on the 1150 socket before they replace it, just like 1155.
 
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i think its worth saving the $$ to get a 3770k vs the 4770k. if you are looking to upgrade again later on, DDR4 should be around the corner
 
bernaby said:
I'm happy with my Ivy Bridge system but for what it's worth, if I had to buy a new board and CPU right now I'd go Haswell. Get an aftermarket cooler, any decent one, whether you go Ivy or Haswell. The stock cooler is not that great and not suitable for any overclocking. The 1150 socket will most likely be dead after 3 years, that's the way of Intel.
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Thanks for the reply. So if I were to go with the 1150 socket I will likely be able to upgrade my CPU after two new generations of CPUs? If so then I would feel the extra money would be worth going 1150/4770K over the older socket.

But if it Intel motherboards tend to not support upgrading to new CPUs I think I would rather save the money if possible with the 3770K as the performance seems to be essentially the same.
 
Intel has been keeping a socket for two generations lately. On a tock a new socket comes out and the following tick uses that socket as well. Haswell is a tock so the 4000 and 5000 may share a socket, but it seems unlikely that the 6000 would also use that socket. Rumors both ways about the 5000 series being BGA only...wait no it will still use sockets...no its BGA. We'll see.
 
Broadwell should be lga1150, while skylake will most likely move on to a different socket (ddr4 support).

If you want to save some cash, then the 3770k is a solid option. I would probably recommend going haswell, since it's new, but that is your decision.
 
OP:

If it's a new build, definitely opt for the Haswell. Keep in mind that while people have selective memories regarding IVB overclocking, it is temperature limited just as Haswell is - if you're of the mindset that you'll get a vastly better OC just due to being IVB, you're probably in for a surprise. Even taking the other argument into account, keep in mind that Haswell has an appreciable IPC lead over IVB and has much faster FP performance - so even if, for some reason, you compare an IVB overclock with a 300-400mhz lead, they will both be pretty much the same in performance. I have a 3770k in my system (which I love, don't get me wrong) and when I oc it to 4.6ghz it can easily hit mid 80s/near 90s in prime95 with an H100i cooler. It just really isn't terribly different than Haswell in terms of temps - maybe very slightly, but not much.

Lastly, the z87 platform is just WAY better than z77. I wouldn't opt for z77 over z87, no way. Personally recommend the Haswell - and you're open to the "Haswell refresh" which intel has listed to be released next year. That could (and likely will be LG1150) whereas you'll be screwed with 1155.

Of course if there's a microcenter sale, that could shift the tides towards 3770k. I'm a big fan of price performance and if you can get it 100$ cheaper, by all means IVB is a very viable option. Without a sale price, though, (by the way, intel will *not* change the 3770k MSRP), they're not too far off in price. You're talking 20-30$ or so, not anything significant really IMHO.
 
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OP:

If it's a new build, definitely opt for the Haswell. Keep in mind that while people have selective memories regarding IVB overclocking, it is temperature limited just as Haswell is - if you're of the mindset that you'll get a vastly better OC just due to being IVB, you're probably in for a surprise. Even taking the other argument into account, keep in mind that Haswell has an appreciable IPC lead over IVB and has much faster FP performance - so even if, for some reason, you compare an IVB overclock with a 300-400mhz lead, they will both be pretty much the same in performance. I have a 3770k in my system (which I love, don't get me wrong) and when I oc it to 4.6ghz it can easily hit mid 80s/near 90s in prime95 with an H100i cooler. It just really isn't terribly different than Haswell in terms of temps - maybe very slightly, but not much.

Lastly, the z87 platform is just WAY better than z77. I wouldn't opt for z77 over z87, no way. Personally recommend the Haswell - and you're open to the "Haswell refresh" which intel has listed to be released next year. That could (and likely will be LG1150) whereas you'll be screwed with 1155.

Of course if there's a microcenter sale, that could shift the tides towards 3770k. I'm a big fan of price performance and if you can get it 100$ cheaper, by all means IVB is a very viable option. Without a sale price, though, (by the way, intel will *not* change the 3770k MSRP), they're not too far off in price. You're talking 20-30$ or so, not anything significant really IMHO.
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Thanks for the reply. If I OC it will be a low end OC, maybe to 4GHZ at the most. I am going from a stock AMD 965 with DDR2 so I think I will see a decent performance jump.

With AM2+ I upgraded from the 9950BE for about ~ $80 after selling the old CPU and got a decent performance jump without having to buy a new motherboard/RAM. Though Intel does not seem to be improving much generation to generation as of late, so perhaps upgradability of LGA 1050 is a moot point.

No Microcenter so no deals on newer Intel CPUs for me due to location. Amazon's price is $350 for the 4770K whereas the 3770K is $250 locally.

A good question would be what is the better buy: a 3770K i7 or a 4670K i5? Both are around the same price.

In games I imagine performance will essentially be the same, though would the 3770K be faster outside of games than the i5 4670K?
 
xoleras said:
OP:

Lastly, the z87 platform is just WAY better than z77. I wouldn't opt for z77 over z87, no way.
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out of curiosity, why would you say the chipset is "WAY" better. almost every review set says the chipset is virtually identical with z87. not to say I wouldn't recommend haswell, b/c I would. but as far as the chipset goes, they are identical. except right now the z87 chipset struggles with early sandforce model ssds and has a usb 3.0 bug.

if I were going to just pit the two chipsets against one another, i'd say z77 is stronger based on maturity.

@ the OP.... very similar cpu's. if you can get the 3770k 50.00+ cheaper, i'd go that route. anything less, i'd go haswell.

they have all the same chipset features. most sites show the 4770k anywhere from 5-15% better and on full load tends to consume about 10 more watts (which you'll never notice the difference).
 
Uh, they DON'T have the same chipset features. Take a look at the maximum SATA6G configuration of Z77, that is 2 native intel ports. Having only 2 native intel SATA6G ports is a complete pain in the ass when you have 4+ SATA6G devices - and while i'm sure you can get a board with marvell SATA 6G ports that isn't a solution. You can't cross match RAID and SSD cache across Marvell and intel ports, making it completely useless. The Z87 has 6 *native* SATA6G ports which makes life so much, much easier for RAIDS and SSD caches. Additionally, i've always found Marvell/ASmedia SATA6G ports (at least on my asus motherboards) to be sub-par performers compared to intel ports. Asus may as well not even put that shit on the board because the intel ports are the only ones worth using, and there are only two intel ports on Z77 boards - versus 6-8 on the Z87.

Z87 having 6 SATA6G ports alone makes it a far better platform. You can mix and match RAID0 setups far more easily and set up SSD cache with far less hassle. I would never get Z77 over Z87.
 
Flogger23m said:
Thanks for the reply. If I OC it will be a low end OC, maybe to 4GHZ at the most. I am going from a stock AMD 965 with DDR2 so I think I will see a decent performance jump.

With AM2+ I upgraded from the 9950BE for about ~ $80 after selling the old CPU and got a decent performance jump without having to buy a new motherboard/RAM. Though Intel does not seem to be improving much generation to generation as of late, so perhaps upgradability of LGA 1050 is a moot point.

No Microcenter so no deals on newer Intel CPUs for me due to location. Amazon's price is $350 for the 4770K whereas the 3770K is $250 locally.

A good question would be what is the better buy: a 3770K i7 or a 4670K i5? Both are around the same price.

In games I imagine performance will essentially be the same, though would the 3770K be faster outside of games than the i5 4670K?
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I'd only go Ivy bridge at this point if one of the following is true:

1. You do NOT live near a MicroCenter

OR

2. You need something with MORE than four CPU cores.

If #1 is true, the spread between Ivy and Haswell (CPU vs. CPU of the same sort) is enough in Ivy's favor that it makes sense to stay LGA1155; if you live near a MicroCenter, the spread between the two is not large enough where staying with Ivy Bridge makes any sense whatever, despite that Ivy's heatwall is higher than that of Haswell, especially on air - the difference between the heatwalls is not high enough.

If #2 is true, then you want LGA2011 anyway - not either Haswell OR Ivy Bridge.
 
xoleras said:
Uh, they DON'T have the same chipset features. Take a look at the maximum SATA6G configuration of Z77, that is 2 native intel ports. Having only 2 native intel SATA6G ports is a complete pain in the ass when you have 4+ SATA6G devices - and while i'm sure you can get a board with marvell SATA 6G ports that isn't a solution. You can't cross match RAID and SSD cache across Marvell and intel ports, making it completely useless. The Z87 has 6 *native* SATA6G ports which makes life so much, much easier for RAIDS and SSD caches. Additionally, i've always found Marvell/ASmedia SATA6G ports (at least on my asus motherboards) to be sub-par performers compared to intel ports. Asus may as well not even put that shit on the board because the intel ports are the only ones worth using, and there are only two intel ports on Z77 boards - versus 6-8 on the Z87.

Z87 having 6 SATA6G ports alone makes it a far better platform. You can mix and match RAID0 setups far more easily and set up SSD cache with far less hassle. I would never get Z77 over Z87.
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I see. that may be a big difference to some, a very small one to others... calling the chipset "WAY" better just b/c it has more native sata 6 ports is pretty weak. many forum users are strictly gamers. I myself typically use very little storage. in gaming I don't need raid sata 6. I have one newer ssd and one older one. I don't even use a regular hd anymore. i'm sure there are plenty of users who may enjoy the extra native sata 6 ports, but generally speaking...

-the chipsets both have usb 3.0 (which is currently flawed but will be fix on z87)
-both have sata 6
-both have pci 3.0 and the same needs for a plx chip to for tri sli or xfire.

for a "new" chipset, z87 is boringly similar to z77
 
wadec22 said:
I see. that may be a big difference to some, a very small one to others... calling the chipset "WAY" better just b/c it has more native sata 6 ports is pretty weak. many forum users are strictly gamers. I myself typically use very little storage. in gaming I don't need raid sata 6. I have one newer ssd and one older one. I don't even use a regular hd anymore. i'm sure there are plenty of users who may enjoy the extra native sata 6 ports, but generally speaking...

-the chipsets both have usb 3.0 (which is currently flawed but will be fix on z87)
-both have sata 6
-both have pci 3.0 and the same needs for a plx chip to for tri sli or xfire.

for a "new" chipset, z87 is boringly similar to z77
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i think we can just put it like this: the z87 chipset matured some technologies in z77, allowing for expanded use (once the usb3.0 bug is fixed). for the power user, this will make a difference, but for most people where $$ is an issue, it probably won't since they can't saturate either the 6 sata or larger # of usb3.0 ports
 
wadec22 said:
I see. that may be a big difference to some, a very small one to others... calling the chipset "WAY" better just b/c it has more native sata 6 ports is pretty weak. many forum users are strictly gamers. I myself typically use very little storage. in gaming I don't need raid sata 6. I have one newer ssd and one older one. I don't even use a regular hd anymore. i'm sure there are plenty of users who may enjoy the extra native sata 6 ports, but generally speaking...

-the chipsets both have usb 3.0 (which is currently flawed but will be fix on z87)
-both have sata 6
-both have pci 3.0 and the same needs for a plx chip to for tri sli or xfire.

for a "new" chipset, z87 is boringly similar to z77
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If you are a gamer, then you are MORE likely (not less likely) to have both an SSD and HDD that support SATA 6.0-g - if you have multiple SATA 6.0-g devices (RAID or not, and either current or planned) then the Z87 additional SATA-6 port support is of use. Further, the odds are vastly in favor of any additional storage upgrades (as far as internal storage goes) being SATA-6.0-g-supporting, even if they will be straight data/storage drives - NOT having to rely on third-party chipset drivers means that adding storage is as plug-and-play as it gets. (That is one big reason for my own interest in Z87 - future storage needs. I have exactly zero SATA-6.0-g devices today, and considering that my current motherboard uses the non-AHCI-supporting iteration of the Intel G41 chipset, I'll be I/O-bound as long as I stay on this motherboard - despite G41 supporting SATA 3.0-g. Z77 gets me two SATA 6.0 ports - and that's it. All other ports - whether they support SATA-6 or even SATA-3 - require third-party support. Not fun when you have at least two HDDs and an ODD - throw in an SSD and I'd actually be taking a step *backward* compared to G41 - why would I even WANT to do that? Therefore, Z87 - because it does NOT require a third-party add-in for ports three through six - makes more sense than Z77, even without RAID in consideration, if not especially because RAID is not a factor.)
 
PGHammer said:
If you are a gamer, then you are MORE likely (not less likely) to have both an SSD and HDD that support SATA 6.0-g - if you have multiple SATA 6.0-g devices (RAID or not, and either current or planned) then the Z87 additional SATA-6 port support is of use. Further, the odds are vastly in favor of any additional storage upgrades (as far as internal storage goes) being SATA-6.0-g-supporting, even if they will be straight data/storage drives - NOT having to rely on third-party chipset drivers means that adding storage is as plug-and-play as it gets. (That is one big reason for my own interest in Z87 - future storage needs. I have exactly zero SATA-6.0-g devices today, and considering that my current motherboard uses the non-AHCI-supporting iteration of the Intel G41 chipset, I'll be I/O-bound as long as I stay on this motherboard - despite G41 supporting SATA 3.0-g. Z77 gets me two SATA 6.0 ports - and that's it. All other ports - whether they support SATA-6 or even SATA-3 - require third-party support. Not fun when you have at least two HDDs and an ODD - throw in an SSD and I'd actually be taking a step *backward* compared to G41 - why would I even WANT to do that? Therefore, Z87 - because it does NOT require a third-party add-in for ports three through six - makes more sense than Z77, even without RAID in consideration, if not especially because RAID is not a factor.)
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Good points. But again, going back to the OP's question of Z77 or Z87 based on value... If he can save 100.00 nabbing a 3770k the additional sata 6 connectivity may or may not be important to him. For me, I'd save the 100.00, it sounds like for you, you the extra ports may be worth it.
 
Go with Haswell, Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge are EOL.

From what I can gather, Haswell is 10% - 15% faster than SB/IB clock for clock and it's only ~10% more money wise. $320 vs $350 is a ~10% increase in price.

Prices based on Amazon/Newegg price of $320 for an i7 3770k and $350 for an i7 4770k.

The benchmark you should read is here: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013...74770k_ipc_overclocking_review/1#.UbTMxZwlJBg

As others have stated, the new generation of Intel processors will remain on the 1150 platform; but after that it will most likely change.
 
ivy/sandy oc way better than haswell... so that 10% is negated...

i still think its a price issue. get whatever is a better deal
 
he said he can get a 3770k for 250, so its a 40% price difference for a 10% performance increase
 
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syncopied said:
ivy/sandy oc way better than haswell... so that 10% is negated...

i still think its a price issue. get whatever is a better deal
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You don't even know what you are talking about. Who cares if a Haswell can't OC to 5Ghz, it doesn't need 5Ghz to match the performance of a 5Ghz SB/IB processor. It would only need to reach 4.5 - 4.6Ghz to get the same level of performance.

Why people get so stuck on clock speeds is beyond me.

wadec22 said:
he said he can get a 3770k for 250, so its a 40% price difference for a 10% performance increase
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I didn't see the $250 for the 3770k, that would be hard to pass up for sure. :eek:
 
What thermal paste do you guys recommend for haswell/4770k?

What about for de-lidding?
 
SkeL said:
What thermal paste do you guys recommend for haswell/4770k?

What about for de-lidding?
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Depends, on what cooling solution you are going with and what frequency you are trying to achieve.
 
I picked up a 4770K for $280 and have it running at 4.6GHz, no delid. Temps have been fine under stress testing. It scores slightly higher than a 5GHz ivy bridge so I'm pretty happy.
 
SirMaster said:
I picked up a 4770K for $280 and have it running at 4.6GHz, no delid. Temps have been fine under stress testing. It scores slightly higher than a 5GHz ivy bridge so I'm pretty happy.
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That's pretty good. What cooling? TIM? Voltage? Idle temp?
 
Swiftech H220, stock swiftech TIM, 1.3v under prime95, idle temp 28c.

Litterally all I did was go to my motherboard and set the max turbo multi to 46x. Now the CPU clocks between 800mhz at 0.75v and 4600mhz at 1.3v with everything on auto. It's stable for the hour I ran prime95 on it and peaked at 82c on the hottest core. I have yet to see over about 62c in gaming.
 
Nice. How did you compare it to an IVY @ 5GHz? - Edit - sorry what program did you use?
 
According to the benchmarks here, on average it's about a 5GHz ivy due to the average IPC increase measured. 8.7% faster would mean 4.6 haswell = 5.0 ivy.

I did measure my own score of 10.05 in cinebench at 4.6GHz. But thats about all I ran myself.
 
Out of curiosity, how much cooler (or hotter) do the Haswell/Sandybridge CPUs run compared to AM2+ Phenom IIs? And how big of a temperature difference are we talking about in regards to SB/IB/Haswell?
 
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