Diablo 3 Offline Single Player Petition

Zerias said:
I have a suggestion.

Rather than petitioning Blizzard for offline play...

Simply don't buy Diablo III.

and buy Torchlight II.

If Diablo III is a financial failure and Torchlight II a success, Blizzard-Activision WILL get the message.

Petitions generally do not work with Video Game developers.

Voting with your wallet?

That works with everybody.

And if you've already bought Diablo III... take it back, get a refund. Again, hit Blizzard-Activision and their distribution partners where it hurts, in the wallet. You do not have any other way to hit them.
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This man speaks the truth.

Also, it should take only a few days to reverse engineer the authentication/DRM.
 
Protoform-X said:
Whoa dude, relax. It's just a discussion, and I don't think anyone here means harm. They have an opinion, same as you have an opinion.

I'll have to disagree with your statement that sales have dropped significantly. D3 is still flying off the shelves at the stores I visit- Fry's/Walmart/Gamestop. There were literally 300 people picking up a pre-ordered game from the Gamestop I went to on launch night. TL2 will never see those kinds of numbers. Again, I mean no offence.

I don't know if you play D3, but the issues with the servers have been cleared up for a while now. I've been playing happily without issue for hours and hours.
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Fair enough, but there aren't just people who are like "this petition won't do anything", there are also people like "lol you're all retards for making/signing this thing". All I'm saying to those people is, STFU. :cool:

I don't know about sales figures, but I'm just guessing that with the backlash and refunds being doled out, there has to be some sort of impact. Maybe not significant but who knows? I bet, if anything, more people will buy TL2 because of this debacle.

And no, I did not purchase D3 but I did play the beta quite a bit. Honestly I did not find it to be worth $60, and with all of the problems that I keep hearing about I'm glad I didn't buy it yet.
 
kidstechno said:
Company states a game will be online only.
People buy it knowing it's online only.
Complain about not being able to play the game
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While some people will be complaining because they have a poor or non-existent internet connection, I think a lot of people are complaining because of not being able to get online or play properly, due to Blizzard issues, not their own.
 
^^ Agreed. I don't care about the always-online aspect but when blizzard can't keep their servers up for more than a couple of days it becomes extremely frustrating. I only care that they have continuously up servers and fix the hacking bs - I'm good with everything else.
 
SkribbelKat said:
Still, this is true...don't buy it. Speak with your wallet. That's probably the only way Blizzard will even consider outside opinions.
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They are already breaking all kinds of sales records with Diablo 3.. I'd say the wallets have already spoken and Bliz doesn't give a crap about yours.

The whole "Speak with your wallet" ideal, while admirable in principle, really doesn't work unless everyone is on-board. Realistically, would that EVER happen with a title as highly awaited like D3 (or any Bliz title for that matter)?
 
Brand recognition alone is not enough to keep a company afloat after making enough missteps. It may not happen with Diablo 3 alone, but even large corporate entites have to adapt or perish. Give it time.
 
I'm on Battle.net right now and opening a ticket. I'm asking for a refund of my money because the game is complete rubbish.

I had more playtime with Torchlight 1 and way more fun.
 
I learned today Blizzard does have a 30-day refund policy for all their games. :p

After selling two copies of D3 CE and making over $100 profit, I essentially got D3 for free. I am having fun. Although, its definitely not worth $60. :p
 
J Macker said:
So you're saying Blizzard will give me a refund for a copy purchased from a retail store (such as Wal-mart) within 30 days?

This I do not believe. I will contemplate this.
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Yes, it does not matter where or how you purchased the game, in a store or digital. Because you are not buying the game and only a license to play the game they give you 30 days to request a refund if you don't agree to those terms.
 
beowulf7 said:
change.org = :rolleyes:

People knew what they were getting when they bought this game. If they wanted single player, then they shouldn't have bought it. Blizzard didn't misrepresent this.
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Except people didn't. I heard "always-on DRM" and I thought "well, I just have to keep a connection active. Shouldn't matter that it is a poor one, its just phoning home and telling them this is a legal copy."

It isn't. The game does not perform well with poor internet connections. This isn't even touching the fact that Blizz has problems with servers.

Seriously, is it necessary to take the servers down once a week, every week? I'm sure Amazon has more volume than Blizz ever has, and Amazon is virtually never down.

Protoform-X said:
Whoa dude, relax. It's just a discussion, and I don't think anyone here means harm. They have an opinion, same as you have an opinion.
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The same way people were dismissive of folks that felt slighted by the ME3 ending, people are dismissive of folks that feel slighted by Blizzard and their shit DRM.

At this point, it isn't just a discussion, it is directly insulting Put simply, its like saying "the thing you care about? Totally and completely unimportant."

kidstechno said:
Company states a game will be online only.
People buy it knowing it's online only.
Complain it's online only.

Seriously, people are braindead.
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Kinda like this guy here.

Never mind the fact that for the first few days, the game was virtually unplayable. Blizzard doesn't have 100% uptime, even now. I don't play my "licensed" copy of D3 like any other game. I play on Blizzard's time table. You can't deny that's a fucked up way of handling DRM.

Yossarian22 said:
Also, it should take only a few days to reverse engineer the authentication/DRM.
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Its already been done. YAY for punishing those who actually pay you money.
 
LordCalin said:
Yes, it does not matter where or how you purchased the game, in a store or digital. Because you are not buying the game and only a license to play the game they give you 30 days to request a refund if you don't agree to those terms.
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You've already agreed to those terms. You can't sign a contract and then back out of them. Legally, that is what you would be doing.

If Blizzard wants to let you return the game however, that's on them. They don't HAVE to let you do it though.
 
SkribbelKat said:
It's hard to get a refund for something you've already purchased if it's a piece of software. :(

Still, this is true...don't buy it. Speak with your wallet. That's probably the only way Blizzard will even consider outside opinions.
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Isn't it a bit too late for this already?
 
Zerias said:
I have a suggestion.

Rather than petitioning Blizzard for offline play...

Simply don't buy Diablo III.

and buy Torchlight II.

If Diablo III is a financial failure and Torchlight II a success, Blizzard-Activision WILL get the message.

Petitions generally do not work with Video Game developers.

Voting with your wallet?

That works with everybody.

And if you've already bought Diablo III... take it back, get a refund. Again, hit Blizzard-Activision and their distribution partners where it hurts, in the wallet. You do not have any other way to hit them.
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The problem is though Blizzard has (or rather, had) a good reputation with making fantastic games. The only way to see Diablo 3 was an utter failure was to buy it and play it first hand, it was a much anticipated title. Now they're celebrating the success of Diablo 3 because it sold millions of copies. Despite the fact that the game sucks, the top guys aren't going to get the message until years later when the tarnished reputation they're starting to acquire affects the whole company.
 
Its never going to happen, Blizzard knows the moment they make the single player offline then hackers and pirates will rejoice. Having an always connected to the internet + login DRM makes games nearly impossible to pirate.
 
BigJayDogg3 said:
You've already agreed to those terms. You can't sign a contract and then back out of them. Legally, that is what you would be doing.

If Blizzard wants to let you return the game however, that's on them. They don't HAVE to let you do it though.
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That's the fun thing with terms of service.. they cannot prove you agreed to it, they cannot even prove you ever saw it. Who is to say my 10 year old neice didn't install the game and click OK (which is not legally binding at that age). So as the original purchaser, yes within that 30 day window they have to refund since they placed it in the terms itself. Thankfully unlike most companies they are not being dicks about it and honoring the refund policy to anyone who asks.
 
exlink said:
Its never going to happen, Blizzard knows the moment they make the single player offline then hackers and pirates will rejoice. Having an always connected to the internet + login DRM makes games nearly impossible to pirate.
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They did it for the beta just fine, and emulated servers are very close for retail. It's actually amazed me how fast it got reverse engineered.
 
BigJayDogg3 said:
Seriously, is it necessary to take the servers down once a week, every week? I'm sure Amazon has more volume than Blizz ever has, and Amazon is virtually never down.
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Amazon's servers need to be up, as they can't generate revenue without the availability of those servers. Blizzard already has their money: they want to generate revenue from the 'Auction House', but they aren't reliant on that revenue stream, which means they're going to expend little effort in keeping the game operable for their customers.

It's your typical garden-variety apathy. Blizzard has some of the most talented people in the industry under their roof(s), so it's not a question of competence.
 
wonderfield said:
Amazon's servers need to be up, as they can't generate revenue without the availability of those servers. Blizzard already has their money: they want to generate revenue from the 'Auction House', but they aren't reliant on that revenue stream, which means they're going to expend little effort in keeping the game operable for their customers.
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I wonder what the server downtime will be like when the RMAH opens up... ;)
 
LordCalin said:
That's the fun thing with terms of service.. they cannot prove you agreed to it, they cannot even prove you ever saw it. Who is to say my 10 year old neice didn't install the game and click OK (which is not legally binding at that age).
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Simple. You logged into Battle.net. Who's name is associated with the account? Now prove I didn't see it. I had to click through it to install the game. You've just signed your multi-million dollar contract with the Knicks. You didn't read it. Does that mean you can breach that contract?

If your niece did it there (likely) is language that says someone of legal age has to agree. By continuing, you've gotten it. I don't know if this has been brought into a courtroom before, but I'd put my money on you being on the losing side.
 
wonderfield said:
Amazon's servers need to be up, as they can't generate revenue without the availability of those servers. Blizzard already has their money: they want to generate revenue from the 'Auction House', but they aren't reliant on that revenue stream, which means they're going to expend little effort in keeping the game operable for their customers.

It's your typical garden-variety apathy. Blizzard has some of the most talented people in the industry under their roof(s), so it's not a question of competence.
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You've overlooked my point. What I was trying to get across is it is completely unforeseeable for anyone unfamiliar with Battle.net to know Blizzard sucks when it comes to keeping servers available. Expecting someone to know Blizzard + Always-On DRM = Disaster without having played WoW or SC is unlikely.
 
Offline game will never happen. As others have said, D3 is based around the Real Money Auction House. Blizzard will not allow AH sales from an offline game due to the possibility of duping etc. Therefore in their minds they'll be losing money due to items that would have been sold for real money not being able to be sold, meaning they won't get their cut. Ergo, no offline mode. It's all about money.
 
The always online requirement is exactly why i haven't bought D3. Nor will i buy it until that restriction is removed. I don't care if it never is because i have plenty of other games to keep me busy, including Torchlight II.
 
King of Heroes said:
It can't be underestimated how important it is for Torchlight II to do well. If it doesn't....
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Why is it "one must lose in order for the other to win?" I loved Torchlight too, and will buy the sequel when it hits. But it's not going to sell 6.3 million copies. It doesn't have the brand recognition, it doesn't stimulate the Pavlovian gamer response, and it won't warrant 30 second spots on SNL. (2M would be a good showing, doubling the sales of the predecessor)

I want both games to do well.
 
I am in the Air Force and stationed over in Korea for another 8 months. I bought the game to play in my off time, which with the different time zones seems to put my prime playing time right in server maint time. Also, If I don't want to create a new character and lose everything in 8 months when I change bases next year, I can't create a character on the Asia servers. I have to create a character on the American servers so I know when I am forced to changed bases in the spring of next year I will still have acess to all my gear and progress. This forces me to play the game with a ping time that is NEVER below 250. Most of the time its in the 400 range, and on peak times it bounces into 600s. I am so glad I get to enjoy my $60 game with 400-600ms lag. I tempted to see if blizz will move my character tot he asian servers, but then I'll probably only be able to talk to about 1/3 of the people I play with. Then who knows if they will be nice enough to move my character to whatever region in the world I am stationed in.
 
If a product does not meet your requirements don't buy it. D3 has already sold to the point that Blizz is not going to care about some petition. 6+ million copies, and I have no doubt that the auction house is going to prove lucrative as well. Why would they change, when so many have given their approval of the game and it's DRM scheme?

If enough people actually cared about this issue, and simply refused to buy it because it was not the product they wanted, Blizz might have listened. A petition after a blockbuster launch is likely to fall on def ears.

You can always wait till the community fixes the game for you.
 
If the point of the petition is to rase public awareness that Blizzard's online only DRM does have problems, then it may serve a usefull purpose. Just has all the negative reviews on Amazon and Metacritic did.

However, if the purpose is to try to get Blizzard to change its ways and release a patch, your wasting your time.
 
MavericK96 said:
"Most pre-ordered" doesn't mean shit. Basically all that means is that there was a ton of hype built up around the game prior to launch.

My guess is that now, with all of the issues coming to light, sales have dropped significantly.

I think TL2 will do just fine. Most everything that people wanted that D3 doesn't have will be in TL2 so there's definitely a market there.

General statement to some people in here in regards to the petition:

Don't like it/care? Don't sign it. Shut the fuck up about how "useless" it is. No one is forcing you to acknowledge it.
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You are a joke rofl
 
BigJayDogg3 said:
Never mind the fact that for the first few days, the game was virtually unplayable.
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If you don't like the always-on DRM that's a totally valid point, but don't spread lies about the launch. It certainly wasn't perfect, but it was far from "virtually unplayable" for days. My friends and I got in at 12:01 and played until around 8am, when I woke up the servers were down for a few hours and then again that night. Those are the only times the game has been unplayable for me (Yes, I know there have been other maintenance outages, but I would not qualify it as a failed launch).

As for all of the TL2 vs D3 flaming, why can't you just play what you want and call it at that? I preordered D3 and have had a lot of fun playing it. I've also preordered TL2 and I'm sure I'll have fun playing that too. Both games have pros, both games have cons. Be thankful that we have options and move on.
 
This will never happen.

Diablo 3 is a highly social always-connected online game that is built around hopping in/out of games and buying/selling on the AH. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell Blizzard is going to build a while infrastructure for people hopping online/offline, synchronizing their progress and changes, and validating all the changes to make sure there's no cheating going on in order to protect the RMAH.

Once they allow offline play, all it's going to take is one guy figuring out a hack and flooding the market with millions of gold/tons of rare items, and the economy will be completely wrecked.
 
They will never get my cash for a copy of Diablo 3 if the offline singleplayer mode is not implemented.Nuff said.
 
xappie said:
Main problem with this is that the game is designed around the AH. It would be VERY hard to make your way through the game without buying/trading gear. If they offered an offline version, they would have to change the loot drops for that version IMO.
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not really, i haven't bought a single item in the AH and i have decent gear and finished the game once with a Barb.
 
BigJayDogg3 said:
You've already agreed to those terms. You can't sign a contract and then back out of them. Legally, that is what you would be doing.

If Blizzard wants to let you return the game however, that's on them. They don't HAVE to let you do it though.
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Yes they do, they sold me a license to a product, a product that should work %100, not %90, not %50, %100.. like any other product you buy it is expected to be working in full. But, we as consumers get raped with software it is always being patched and we bend over and take it, as far as I know in London for example, you can return an opened game if it does not work...


LordCalin said:
That's the fun thing with terms of service.. they cannot prove you agreed to it, they cannot even prove you ever saw it. Who is to say my 10 year old neice didn't install the game and click OK (which is not legally binding at that age). So as the original purchaser, yes within that 30 day window they have to refund since they placed it in the terms itself. Thankfully unlike most companies they are not being dicks about it and honoring the refund policy to anyone who asks.
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So for me i am in costa rica, they did an update, they then "assumed" because my IP was from latin america i can read fluent spanish so showed me the new TOS / EULA in spanish with no other option for languages... i said no.. and then wow, i suddenly couldnt log in for 4 hours and got nothing but 404 errors......


So again, this game does not work, people paid for a working product, but due to corruption in the legal systems in north america, we the consumers get screwed
 
roflmywaffle said:
I am in the Air Force and stationed over in Korea for another 8 months. I bought the game to play in my off time, which with the different time zones seems to put my prime playing time right in server maint time. Also, If I don't want to create a new character and lose everything in 8 months when I change bases next year, I can't create a character on the Asia servers. I have to create a character on the American servers so I know when I am forced to changed bases in the spring of next year I will still have acess to all my gear and progress. This forces me to play the game with a ping time that is NEVER below 250. Most of the time its in the 400 range, and on peak times it bounces into 600s. I am so glad I get to enjoy my $60 game with 400-600ms lag. I tempted to see if blizz will move my character tot he asian servers, but then I'll probably only be able to talk to about 1/3 of the people I play with. Then who knows if they will be nice enough to move my character to whatever region in the world I am stationed in.
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that number if your looking at the ingame stuff is round trip + server processing time

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5235707848?page=3#46
The latency indicator in-game is not a simple ping like most games, and is actually a full process of the game sending an action to the service, the service processing it, and returning it to the client. This means that the latency indicator actually gives a more accurate account of what the experience is for game data, but in comparison to other games will seem high. We're more interested in issues where there is actual performance degradation, and certainly there may be, but the in-game latency number is not a simple ping and therefore shouldn't be used literally as a measurement against performance elsewhere.

I should add that the correct forum for this is really the Technical Support forum.
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