DarkStar02
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Can't you zap it with an Arc welder? that has worked for laptop batteries.
That is a hilarious and awesome idea.
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Can't you zap it with an Arc welder? that has worked for laptop batteries.
Can't you zap it with an Arc welder? that has worked for laptop batteries.
Oh nooooes, first world problems!!!! Seriously, if you can afford a tesla, you can afford to hire someone to plug it in and drive it around the block every month.
I keep hearing this, but this is a false misnomer. Someone could save up for a long time, and thus be able to "afford" to buy some exotic car. That does not mean they can all of a sudden "afford" a personal mechanic or driver. Hell, technically I could "afford" to buy one, but I certainly can't afford then to pay $40k on a repair or someone to watch it for me.
Well then we have different definitions of "afford" Afford doesn't mean technically having the money to pay for it using money carefully saved up. Hell, I could go to a loan shark right now and "afford" to buy a Tesla, that doesn't make it a good idea (See: housing bubble/predatory loans)
When you can truly afford to buy something it means that you don't have to worry about it at all... you just stroll in, whip out the cash/card and not a single damn was given about the bank balance that day because you know you have it covered 10x over.
Actually that isn't what afford means in any definition of the word afford:
1. to be able to do, manage, or bear without serious consequence or adverse effect: The country can't afford another drought.
2. to be able to meet the expense of; have or be able to spare the price of: Can we afford a trip to Europe this year? The city can easily afford to repair the street.
3. to be able to give or spare: He can't afford the loss of a day.
4. to furnish; supply: The transaction afforded him a good profit.
5. to be capable of yielding or providing: The records afford no explanation.
By afford to buy it, I don't mean I need to take out a loan, especially from a Loan Shark. I mean I could go out and buy it. I do not have to worry about making payments, or regular maintenance, I can cover those costs. But that does not mean I could then afford to have a driver or a personal mechanic. And it certainly doesn't mean I could afford a $40k repair job. Those are added expenses, not inclusive expenses. I can afford to have a house, but that does not mean I could afford a butler and a maid. It also doesn't mean I could afford to have the HVAC blow up. I think what you mean is to be affluent:
1. having an abundance of wealth, property, or other material goods; prosperous; rich: an affluent person.
2. abounding in anything; abundant.
3. flowing freely: an affluent fountain.
noun
4. a tributary stream.
5. an affluent person: a luxurious resort appealing to young affluents.
I can afford things, but I am not affluent. I don't just have money flowing out of my pockets that I can spend willy nilly. You may make choices and sacrifices to afford something.
I know a few owners of exotic cars that can afford the cars and the general repairs, but they certainly can't afford to just replace the car or have personal mechanics available at their whim. I even know two people that have Teslas and 3 more that have been saving up for them. As exotic cars go, they are some of the more affordable ones in many ways. But as almost all exotic cars go, they take a bit of maintenance and upkeep.
I reject your reality and substitute my own!!! Way to miss the point I was making and if you want to get technical mr. semantics pants, I said "we" have different definitions. I have one definition and you have one definition, I never claimed that mine was the dictionary definition nor that is was right. I was just offering my opinion in the the spirit of jest.
Actually that isn't what afford means in any definition of the word afford:
1. to be able to do, manage, or bear without serious consequence or adverse effect: The country can't afford another drought.
2. to be able to meet the expense of; have or be able to spare the price of: Can we afford a trip to Europe this year? The city can easily afford to repair the street.
3. to be able to give or spare: He can't afford the loss of a day.
4. to furnish; supply: The transaction afforded him a good profit.
5. to be capable of yielding or providing: The records afford no explanation.
By afford to buy it, I don't mean I need to take out a loan, especially from a Loan Shark. I mean I could go out and buy it. I do not have to worry about making payments, or regular maintenance, I can cover those costs. But that does not mean I could then afford to have a driver or a personal mechanic. And it certainly doesn't mean I could afford a $40k repair job. Those are added expenses, not inclusive expenses. I can afford to have a house, but that does not mean I could afford a butler and a maid. It also doesn't mean I could afford to have the HVAC blow up. I think what you mean is to be affluent:
1. having an abundance of wealth, property, or other material goods; prosperous; rich: an affluent person.
2. abounding in anything; abundant.
3. flowing freely: an affluent fountain.
noun
4. a tributary stream.
5. an affluent person: a luxurious resort appealing to young affluents.
I can afford things, but I am not affluent. I don't just have money flowing out of my pockets that I can spend willy nilly. You may make choices and sacrifices to afford something.
I know a few owners of exotic cars that can afford the cars and the general repairs, but they certainly can't afford to just replace the car or have personal mechanics available at their whim. I even know two people that have Teslas and 3 more that have been saving up for them. As exotic cars go, they are some of the more affordable ones in many ways. But as almost all exotic cars go, they take a bit of maintenance and upkeep.
Sorry hipsters, but all electric cars are not the future. So, if you were expecting a hug from a polar bear you're gonna have to wait until hydrogen gets its shit together.
Over here in Orange County gas is hovering around 4.33 at freaking ARCO and 4.55 at Chevron. Well, that was around 3pm today. When I drive home tonight it'll probably be 4.75 :OOut here in Southern California, we START at 13 cents/kwh, and as you use more, it quickly rises to 16 cent/kwh and then to 24, 28 and eventually 31 cents/kwh. At 24 cents/kwh, it would cost $12.72 to charge the battery and drive 100 miles. My standard 4 cyl Camry gets 35 MPG on the highway at around 75 MPH. At $4/gallon for gas, my cost for 100 miles would only be $11.42, or about 10% less
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This fact invalidates about 90% of this thread's arguments.
The fuck it does. A central controller should disconnect the entire battery pack when charge falls below a certain point, it should NOT be possible to permanently damage the batteries through normal operation. Any parasitic losses created by controllers and such should also be disconnected when this critical point is reached. Basic battery controller technology that Tesla choose not to implement.
Hydrogen cars *are* electric cars, only instead of a Li-Ion battery you have hydrogen. Hydrogen being worse, as the percentage of energy you get out compared to what you put it is less than the percentage for a battery. The *only* advantage hydrogen has is the quick charge, but it has several drawbacks compared to batteries and is not a better long-term solution.
The sadder thing is that even the Model S even has this supposed battery design flaw. How about the Model X (SUV)?
The solar panel on your Leaf doesn't charge the batteries that move your car
The Tesla's battery stores 53 kwh of energy, so if it would only cost you $2.75 to charge, you would have to be paying an extreamly low price of only 5 cents/kwh.
Out here in Southern California, we START at 13 cents/kwh, and as you use more, it quickly rises to 16 cent/kwh and then to 24, 28 and eventually 31 cents/kwh. At 24 cents/kwh, it would cost $12.72 to charge the battery and drive 100 miles. My standard 4 cyl Camry gets 35 MPG on the highway at around 75 MPH. At $4/gallon for gas, my cost for 100 miles would only be $11.42, or about 10% less
As for it being free electricity from your solar panels, unless you got the panels for free, the electricity is costing your something. Take you cost for the panels, divided by how many kwh's they deliver over thier life time to get you bas cost. Make sure you also include all the money you won't have 20 years from now if instead you had invested the money instead.
If electricity is really that cheap where you live, then you will likely never even break even on the solar panels.
As soon as they make an electric car as fun to drive as mine, for the same price, I would be all over it.
Out here in Southern California, we START at 13 cents/kwh, and as you use more, it quickly rises to 16 cent/kwh and then to 24, 28 and eventually 31 cents/kwh...
If electricity is really that cheap where you live, then you will likely never even break even on the solar panels.
I'd like to ask an honest question: Have you driven an electric car?
The instant torqe is amazing. When you floor the Leaf I am pushed back in my seat. When I'm driving at 65 mph and floor it, I can feel the acceleration - way more than enough for passing. Not even mentioning Tesla's Roadster/S which I've been in and I can tell you there's nothing more fun than flooring a car and feeling like you're on the Superman: Escape from Krypton ride at Six Flags!
Yes, I have driven several electric cars. But my Nissan 370Z costs a third of the Tesla and uses far less of its energy to accelerate. Doing a lot of heavy acceleration puts a large strain on the battery, using up its juice much, much faster.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying I do not find certain electric cars enjoyable. But for the cost compared to what I already drive and the amount of features and enjoyment I get out of my current car, there just isn't anything comparable.
the 370Z's a very nice car and there are no ev cars in its class that offer it's comfort level - the Roadster/S still have a lot of catching up to do in that area.
Depending on the price, I am going to heavily consider Nissan's upcoming ESFlow (Infiniti's EV sportscar) - doesn't beat the 370's acceleration but it's closer and it appears to keep most of the comforts.
http://www.nissanusa.com/future-and-concept-vehicles/pop-esflow.html
A central controller should disconnect the entire battery pack when charge falls below a certain point
How do you get 0.2% of all units? The article mentioned 5 confirmed cases, but that doesn't mean the other cars aren't affected. It could very well be that those cars were never fully drained, which could take up to 11 weeks if previously fully charged, according to the article.Again "supposed" design flaw in .2% of all units. Which apparently is being debunked as well. In any case, I will gladly take my chances with those odds, compared to say...the braking/accelerating problem with toyota cars that came out, where there was a serious chance of actually being hurt as a result...
That won't do anything. Batteries lose charge even with no circuit attached to them whatsoever. And the parasitic drain isn't just for shits and giggles, it's to do things like keep the batteries healthy (such as protecting them from overheating if you leave it parked in the sun).
Oh brave new world, that such uneducated people in it.
Parasitic drain will drain the batteries much faster than if there is no load on them. Do I really have to explain this? And batteries overheating in the sun? How the fuck does that happen if the car is sitting in idle storage?
Christ. Oh brave new world, that such uneducated people in it.
I'd like to see the explanation for how parasitic drain keeps batteries healthy.
How do you get 0.2% of all units? The article mentioned 5 confirmed cases, but that doesn't mean the other cars aren't affected. It could very well be that those cars were never fully drained, which could take up to 11 weeks if previously fully charged, according to the article.
Yet you're assuming that since the other cars may have never had up to 11 consecutive weeks of non-use that they wouldn't be affected by this alleged battery bug.The article mentioned 5 unconfirmed cases which were by third or fourth party accounts. It also didn't mention the circumstances of any of those accounts either. There could have been a number of other things going on. Face it, the article is a sham, no real factual information anywhere in it to draw any rational conclusion.
Yet you're assuming that since the other cars may have never had up to 11 consecutive weeks of non-use that they wouldn't be affected by this alleged battery bug.
With the Model S now selling in much greater quantities than the Roadster, we'll see if more of these bricked battery stories emerge.That is where your line of reasoning fails. I am not assuming anything. I am going purely off what the article says and showing that at best what they have found occurs in only a scattering of vehicles. At worst it is a gross misrepresentation of the company and defamation of its character. Mostly I am saying that there needs to be actual facts and real information before making any claim about what is really going on.
Off topic but has anyone seen this? Soooo fucking cool.
Johnathan Goodwin can get 100 mpg out of a Lincoln Continental, cut emissions by 80%, and double the horsepower. Does the car business have the guts to follow him?
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/120/motorhead-messiah.html
How loud would the turbine engine be, is the big question? Would we all have to go deaf for this to happen?Now thats frigging awsome. But take a look at this and you will see why we have such shitty MPG cars/trucks here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBnlXGvA1Wk&feature=player_embedded
Its our government that is bought and paid for by the oil industry. However ther main issue is that our gov will rape your wallet less.