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Sandy Bridge E has 8 physical cores?

Yeah thats what i got from reading the paragraph. I wasn't aware of that tho.

So basically the i7s Sandy Bridge E and the Xeons 2650+ comes from the same waffers and are binned ?
 
So lets have the common sense moment of the day ....

I7-E chips are 2x core disabled to keep the TDP and heat down yet .......... Xeons are not.... umm what is so different in the heat production of a server and a desktop?

Im fucking boggled with this bullshit excuse of an answer. Fuck you Intel you POS. You disabled the 2 cores because AMD also fucking sucks with bulldozer. I bet they lasered all those cores off once the BDZR failed so we have to buy a damn $2000.00 Xeon to have 8 cores. Prick ass company.

Hey atleast I have VT-d on my 3930K woot. Nice chip btw on the other hand Intel.
 
I think the 8-core Xeon chips are clocked lower to fit within server TDP.
 
xorbe said:
I think the 8-core Xeon chips are clocked lower to fit within server TDP.
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I wonder if its a matter of time before they offer an unlocker feature on motherboards like AMD boards offered for the Phenom triple core line.
 
tangoseal said:
So lets have the common sense moment of the day ....

I7-E chips are 2x core disabled to keep the TDP and heat down yet .......... Xeons are not.... umm what is so different in the heat production of a server and a desktop?

Im fucking boggled with this bullshit excuse of an answer. Fuck you Intel you POS. You disabled the 2 cores because AMD also fucking sucks with bulldozer. I bet they lasered all those cores off once the BDZR failed so we have to buy a damn $2000.00 Xeon to have 8 cores. Prick ass company.

Hey atleast I have VT-d on my 3930K woot. Nice chip btw on the other hand Intel.
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Yeah lets talk common sense. Its much easier to keep up with demand and production when you split one product into different SKUs. They bin the CPUs to determine the model. This isnt the first time this has been done and it wont be the last. Xeons are binned higher then other chips not to mention downclocked. This manufacturing process was most likely already decided and chips being produced before bulldozer released. They don't design and manufacture chips in a month or two. It takes years. I'm sure people will figure out a way to unlock the extra cores like they did on the AMD chips that did this.

Think about it next time before throwing a tantrum. You are bitching about something that could be a FPB.
 
More often than not most electronics products in a series have the same underlying architecture at different price points. It is much cheaper to differentiate in software and enabling features than creating custom hardware for each functional point.

Intel knows that multi-core server CPUs can demand a high price and will not release anything which will compromise that market. IT companies are willing to pay big bucks for Xeons because the CPU is just one small component of the total cost and by virtualizing they are able to reduce costs by aggregating hardware. A multi-core CPU is at the core of that task. BTW, often the software to virtualize will cost more than the CPU.
 
tangoseal said:
I wonder if its a matter of time before they offer an unlocker feature on motherboards like AMD boards offered for the Phenom triple core line.
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They laser them off, so never will they be enabled unless you have access to state of the art manufacturing equipment. My guess... no. They clock them lower at eight cores for the server market/ Also, some of these cores might not even work and thats why they got binned into the SB-E instead of the server market. Regardless, people who seriously want render farm status would get the xeon chips anyway.

The 3960X is hot enough as is, the only way we are getting an 8 core desktop is on the 22nm process that comes with ivy bridge.
 
tangoseal said:
So lets have the common sense moment of the day ....

I7-E chips are 2x core disabled to keep the TDP and heat down yet .......... Xeons are not.... umm what is so different in the heat production of a server and a desktop?

Im fucking boggled with this bullshit excuse of an answer. Fuck you Intel you POS. You disabled the 2 cores because AMD also fucking sucks with bulldozer. I bet they lasered all those cores off once the BDZR failed so we have to buy a damn $2000.00 Xeon to have 8 cores. Prick ass company.

Hey atleast I have VT-d on my 3930K woot. Nice chip btw on the other hand Intel.
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the heat production is way lower on the xeon side because of the lower clocks. also the power saving is much more aggressive on the server side. so while the PC side will typically boost to full clock the second a program demands it, it may take 10-15 seconds before a server processor completely clocks up to its max speed.


look at it this way.. yes they could of released an 8 core version of the consumer processor but at xeon clocks to keep it within the 130w TDP. at the same time your overclock is now limited due to the higher temps and power demand. is that spelled out simple enough for you? do you want 8 cores at 2.6Ghz or do you want 6 cores at 3.5+ghz? just wait til ivy bridge it should fix the heat/power usage to allow for 8 core/16 thread consumer/desktop processors within the 130w TDP.
 
tangoseal said:
we have to buy a damn $2000.00 Xeon to have 8 cores. Prick ass company.
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No you don't unless you go dual/quad socket, and even those are more reasonable with models from $500 (but low clocks) to $1500 (high clocks).

What everyone on 2011 should get is the single-socket workstation Xeons, as those have always been VERY SIMILAR in price to i7 yet they offered more for less; W3670 was a hell lot cheaper than i7 970 for a while (and available before 970). Just get the cheapest 8-core Xeon that runs at like 2.6GHz and overclock it.
 
tangoseal said:
So lets have the common sense moment of the day ....

I7-E chips are 2x core disabled to keep the TDP and heat down yet .......... Xeons are not.... umm what is so different in the heat production of a server and a desktop?

Im fucking boggled with this bullshit excuse of an answer. Fuck you Intel you POS. You disabled the 2 cores because AMD also fucking sucks with bulldozer. I bet they lasered all those cores off once the BDZR failed so we have to buy a damn $2000.00 Xeon to have 8 cores. Prick ass company.

Hey atleast I have VT-d on my 3930K woot. Nice chip btw on the other hand Intel.
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I'd suggest replacing conspiracy theories with some actual knowledge.
Like the simple fact that power consumption is proportional to the frequency and to the square of voltage.
 
I say they did it because Intel can't, for the life of them, sell a boxed CPU with a cooler that isn't a pile of steaming poo.
 
tangoseal said:
So lets have the common sense moment of the day ....

I7-E chips are 2x core disabled to keep the TDP and heat down yet .......... Xeons are not.... umm what is so different in the heat production of a server and a desktop?
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Sounds like an impulse buy... you should have known this beforehand.

tangoseal said:
Hey atleast I have VT-d on my 3930K woot. Nice chip btw on the other hand Intel.
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Yeah, but it doesn't work.

Hence there's quite a bit more potential to be released and soon. Therefore, anyone looking to invest in the premium-priced SB-E platform right now, should note that these processors are at the initial C1 stepping and have the VT-d hardware virtualization issue and PCI-E 3.0 compatibility uncertainty. The VT-d problem will be a real show stopper where hardware acceleration of a virtual machine is a must, so it shouldn't be ignored.
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On Intel's ARK says it's supported but due to a bug in the processor, the hardware acceleration part does not function.

Source
 
I think there is going to be some MASSIVE overclock potential/headroom when the Socket 2011 Ivybridge E CPUS ship, especially if the will work in these sockets that are rated over 140 watts and the IB-E CPUs are going to be running under 80 watts.
 
griff30 said:
I think there is going to be some MASSIVE overclock potential/headroom when the Socket 2011 Ivybridge E CPUS ship, especially if the will work in these sockets that are rated over 140 watts and the IB-E CPUs are going to be running under 80 watts.
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Too bad they'll be under 80W only with four cores.
 
Cool Vibrations said:
Sounds like an impulse buy... you should have known this beforehand.



Yeah, but it doesn't work.



On Intel's ARK says it's supported but due to a bug in the processor, the hardware acceleration part does not function.

Source
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No I knew what I was doing. Intel has a thing called warranty. When they release the new chips with working VT-d I will warranty my chip. Until then I use it without VT-d im not a freaking idiot people. It was not impulse. I could have waited and waited and waited for the next thing but with warranty and the fact that I bought a chip with a flaw means that Intel HAS to warranty this item.

And without quoting 40 other replies to my obvious attention getter haha I was trolling! Just wanted a little fire since the whole community is really boring and the same talk over and over in every "My processor" thread. It worked. Look how I closed with a positive note to that original flame bait I did haha I said Great chip etc...

And lasty screw it. Im going to fire up Vmware and test VT-d ill let you know if its bad or not since everyone likes to listen to the naysayers of the Internet and never verify crap them selves. I gotta build the box first. Waiting on board to come in today.
 
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I find it strange that the high end stuff will now come out around 7 months after the new stuff. So ivy bridge comes out in april. Then ivy bridge e will be out near the end of the year. Strange way to do things instead of releasing them at the same time. So for people waiting for ivy bridge e that wait will be a year.

The high end stuff should use the latest tech right away, this delay stuff is dumb.
 
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