Database Of U.S. Internet Pirates Will Be Decentralized

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So what do you guys think of this massive database filled with information on alleged copyright infringers?

“ISPs will determine this individually based on their own policy. However, please note that the Memorandum of Understanding allows for a 12 month reset period. That means that, if an ISP does not receive any ISP notices from rights holders concerning a subscriber’s account for a 12 month period, all prior ISP notices and copyright alerts from the subscriber’s account may be expunged.”
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So how exactly do they determine that you're a pirate? Or are they going to lump everyone who uses bittorrent as one? :confused:
 
Pulsar said:
So how exactly do they determine that you're a pirate? Or are they going to lump everyone who uses bittorrent as one? :confused:
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You question their methods?! You're so on the database now.
 
I assume all these people were given due process of law and allowed to face their accusers?
 
Pulsar said:
So how exactly do they determine that you're a pirate? Or are they going to lump everyone who uses bittorrent as one? :confused:
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By monitoring popular releases, uploading their own fake releases, etc. Pretty sure the guy downloading AwesomeGame2011-FLT-PROPER isn't looking for the latest release of Ubuntu.
 
This is how it starts, man. Pretty soon they're gonna be rounding you up into the FEMA camps. :tinfoil:
 
As long as you're wearing a Guy Fawkes mask as you're downloading, they won't be able to ID you.
 
MPAA, RIAA and their ilk hate anonymity, yet no names are given in this article... Interesting.

So any money on how fast an ISP decides to no longer voluntarily help when they realize over 90% of their subscriber base is suddenly labeled "pirate"?
 
PornoSatan said:
By monitoring popular releases, uploading their own fake releases, etc. Pretty sure the guy downloading AwesomeGame2011-FLT-PROPER isn't looking for the latest release of Ubuntu.
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and how do they know who exactly is downloading that pirated game? Is it Jim? his roommate? his brother? or the neighbor?
 
eon said:
and how do they know who exactly is downloading that pirated game? Is it Jim? his roommate? his brother? or the neighbor?
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Does it matter? Why contain it? Let it spill over into the schools and churches, let the bodies pile up in the streets. In the end, they'll beg us to save them.
 
eon said:
and how do they know who exactly is downloading that pirated game? Is it Jim? his roommate? his brother? or the neighbor?
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who ever's name is on the bill = responsible one, which is true really, you signed for it, it is your job to know how it is being used.
 
Also in the end this just means the not so smart torrent users will go down, leaving more bandwidth for people in the know... usenet anyone? vpn connections, SFTP et cetera.
 
MrGuvernment said:
who ever's name is on the bill = responsible one, which is true really, you signed for it, it is your job to know how it is being used.
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then any ISP going along with this should have there common carrier status revoked
and no longer be exempt under DMCA safe harbor

sounds fair to me
 
Elios said:
then any ISP going along with this should have there common carrier status revoked
and no longer be exempt under DMCA safe harbor

sounds fair to me
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Would you really want this to happen? You instantly would motivate that ISP to crack down 100x harder.
 
Oh and lets hold Gun makers responsible for gun crimes and auto makes for any one killed with a car
too its only far after all they provided the tool its there fault some one was kill with it
 
TwistedAegis said:
Would you really want this to happen? You instantly would motivate that ISP to crack down 100x harder.
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if i own a gun and some one steals it from me and uses it for a crime you can not hold me responsible for that crime
this is the same thing
if some one has wifi and it gets hacked and it gets used to download some thing you can not hole them responsible
 
The gun is out of your possession. And I would also hope you would report it. I don't disagree with you that if someone is stealing your wifi, you should not be held responsible. However if you authorize a user to use your connection, you are then responsible.
 
Pulsar said:
So how exactly do they determine that you're a pirate? Or are they going to lump everyone who uses bittorrent as one? :confused:
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They grab your IP from popular P2P File Sharing places....

eon said:
and how do they know who exactly is downloading that pirated game? Is it Jim? his roommate? his brother? or the neighbor?
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They ask the Magic 8-Ball....
 
Elios said:
Oh and lets hold Gun makers responsible for gun crimes and auto makes for any one killed with a car
too its only far after all they provided the tool its there fault some one was kill with it
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Don't copy that floppy.... lives are at stake!
 
TwistedAegis said:
The gun is out of your possession. And I would also hope you would report it. I don't disagree with you that if someone is stealing your wifi, you should not be held responsible. However if you authorize a user to use your connection, you are then responsible.
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this program does not care ether way its same thing
in this case its like being out of town and not knowing till you got back that some one stole your gun then used it in a crime
you had no way of knowing it was stolen at the time till after the fact

if they can hold end users to this then IPS should be held the same way and if were going to go down that slope might as well hold car, gun, tobacco, and alcohol makes the same way
 
This is going to be an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. I just can't wait till the ISP's start getting kickback from their customers. This has such awesome fail all over it.

The ISP's will incur additional costs since they have to monitor and notify. They'll get pressure from the RIAA/MPAA about enforcement, they'll get kickback pressure from customers.

Yea, this is going to fly.
 
shatterstar said:
They grab your IP from popular P2P File Sharing places....



They ask the Magic 8-Ball....
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Hehe... Windows ISOs really don't matter unless the person goes to all the trouble of getting an OEM copy and then installing a modded BIOS in order to trick the OEM Windows into thinking that it is an OEM box.

And besides that, sometimes you need to download a Windows or other MS software ISO in order to reinstall on a computer where the customer never received a CD/DVD from the OEM... piece of trash policy is what it is... "send us $20 or so extra + shipping to send you the media you should have received in the first place"... idiots.
 
Shotglass01 said:
This is going to be an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. I just can't wait till the ISP's start getting kickback from their customers. This has such awesome fail all over it.

The ISP's will incur additional costs since they have to monitor and notify. They'll get pressure from the RIAA/MPAA about enforcement, they'll get kickback pressure from customers.

Yea, this is going to fly.
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I hope you're right about the backlash, but I'd also like to think there's a silver lining here: It might signal a shift in priorities for the RIAA. Hopefully they'll start letting the ISP's handle things a bit more instead of indiscriminately suing hundreds of thousands of people the moment they see their IP addresses on Bittorrent (regardless of what they're downloading/uploading, because we all know that the RIAA doesn't restrict itself to its own copyrights...hypocrites). Apparently, people get five warnings from their ISP before the sixth, which comes along with disciplinary action. If the RIAA decides to start limiting their lawsuits to "repeat offenders" as well, that should cut down on the number of dead people, eight-year-olds, and computer-challenged grandparents that they sue. The warnings could also give copyright infringers fair warning that they're being watched/seen, which might encourage more use of international proxies and VPN's.
 
cyclone3d said:
Hehe... Windows ISOs really don't matter unless the person goes to all the trouble of getting an OEM copy and then installing a modded BIOS in order to trick the OEM Windows into thinking that it is an OEM box.

And besides that, sometimes you need to download a Windows or other MS software ISO in order to reinstall on a computer where the customer never received a CD/DVD from the OEM... piece of trash policy is what it is... "send us $20 or so extra + shipping to send you the media you should have received in the first place"... idiots.
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Media-less Windows PC has always given you the option to create restore disks. I'm not sure if the idiots are OEM's...
 
MrGuvernment said:
who ever's name is on the bill = responsible one, which is true really, you signed for it, it is your job to know how it is being used.
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Biiig difference between a itemized cable bill, and the wireless router with bugger all for security.
 
so... if it's decentralized, will they be using a peer-to-peer client to sync the changes? ;)
 
cyclone3d said:
And besides that, sometimes you need to download a Windows or other MS software ISO in order to reinstall on a computer where the customer never received a CD/DVD from the OEM... piece of trash policy is what it is... "send us $20 or so extra + shipping to send you the media you should have received in the first place"... idiots.
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How is this even a problem? There are totally legitimate sources to download Win7 (and possibly Vista) ISO's from... for free. If the issue is WindowsXP then there are much larger issues at hand...
 
Azhar said:
Media-less Windows PC has always given you the option to create restore disks. I'm not sure if the idiots are OEM's...
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Some HPs do... and Dells come with a restore partition.. but what happens on a Dell if the hard drive goes bad?

And what if you want to wipe and do a clean install so you don't have to deal with all the crapware that normally comes on the PCs?
 
Seraphical said:
How is this even a problem? There are totally legitimate sources to download Win7 (and possibly Vista) ISO's from... for free. If the issue is WindowsXP then there are much larger issues at hand...
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There are also some older OEM machines (such as some Dell XPS and Workstation machines - T4500 anybody?) that require certain drivers be included in the image for windows to even see the hard drive during the install.

Sure, you can slip-stream drivers into an ISO.. but the average user is not going to have any idea on how to do this.
 
cyclone3d said:
There are also some older OEM machines (such as some Dell XPS and Workstation machines - T4500 anybody?) that require certain drivers be included in the image for windows to even see the hard drive during the install.

Sure, you can slip-stream drivers into an ISO.. but the average user is not going to have any idea on how to do this.
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And I should have mentioned.. that the XPS 600 will NOT work with F6 drivers... it won't see them.

The T4500 is a very similiar case.. F6 drivers dont' work.
 
cyclone3d said:
Some HPs do... and Dells come with a restore partition.. but what happens on a Dell if the hard drive goes bad?

And what if you want to wipe and do a clean install so you don't have to deal with all the crapware that normally comes on the PCs?
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Windows 7 have imaging capabilities. Start Menu > Control Panel > Backup and Restore.

As for crapware, Start Menu > Control Panel > Programs and Features > Uninstall crapware
 
cyclone3d said:
Hehe... Windows ISOs really don't matter unless the person goes to all the trouble of getting an OEM copy and then installing a modded BIOS in order to trick the OEM Windows into thinking that it is an OEM box.

And besides that, sometimes you need to download a Windows or other MS software ISO in order to reinstall on a computer where the customer never received a CD/DVD from the OEM... piece of trash policy is what it is... "send us $20 or so extra + shipping to send you the media you should have received in the first place"... idiots.
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The only one who would be interested is Microsoft...and they have activation to handle it (so so).

No, they are only going to be interested in a movie or song file download being reported.
Until such time when game and software producers hire RIAA lawyers, it will still be about the same BS it is today.
 
Elios said:
if i own a gun and some one steals it from me and uses it for a crime you can not hold me responsible for that crime
this is the same thing
if some one has wifi and it gets hacked and it gets used to download some thing you can not hole them responsible
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It isn't the same thing, if someone walks into your house and plugs into your network - your responsibility

If someone hacks into your secured wireless network - maybe, but if your left your network wide open with no effort to secure it, again, your fault

Outamyhead said:
Biiig difference between a itemized cable bill, and the wireless router with bugger all for security.
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if it has no security, again, user fault for not RTFM and securing it, wireless security will stop %99.9 of the people in your neighbor hood, with the odd kid who may know more to be able to get in, but then you would likely notice your bandwidth being sucked up cause someone is torrenting.

You cant compare this to someone stealing your gun, only if your network was hacked and someone forced their way into it perhaps because the access is from your house, work, where ever, it is up to you to make sure it is safe and secure.

If you let you says brother come over and he starts downloading all day and night while he visits, again, your responsibility to tell him what he can and can not do and to enforce your rules.
 
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