So how have the delays in BD affected AMD's bottom line with your purchases recently?

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You know I am an AMD fan boy of sorts.

Out of the 5 to 7 great desktops I've have built thus far and invested what was at that time alot of money, only two have been intels.

AMD - Slot a 600 upgraded to a 900
Intel - Dual 833Mhz
AMD - Barton xp2500
AMD - Dual Socket A - 2500MP
AMD - Dual Opteron 940 - dual 875's
Intel - Q6600 (sold too early)
AMD - BE550 unlocked to quad at 4Ghz

AMD has really screwed the pooch with me, first they won't confirm that the bulldozer would work on a AM2+ socket (now it looks like they will ... yet to be seen).

Result I start looking at selling my 550BE AM2+ unlcocked and overclocked...

I do sell it and work off my backup laptop. (that starts getting really old)

AMD delays yet again...

Result purchase 2500K with board.

Still no release and I'm happy with my choice. As a result i'll probaly stay with the 2500K and upgrade to ivy bridge.

This could have been avoided if I was told in advance the BD would be supported on AM2+.
Second possibility wouldn't have sold the AM2+ setup so far in advance if the date (within a week or two) were known.



So what were your circumstances that made AMD loose money due to their release decisions.
 
By AM2+ do you mean AM3?

Bulldozer was never supposed to work on AM2+. The reason being, is that bulldozer will only support DDR3 and an AM2+ board only supported DDR2 (unless it was an Asrock DDR2/DDR3 hybrid board in which case it might?).
 
Although I do not believe the delay was AMD's decision (you do not decide to have problems), I ended up buying a new i7 970 for $356.02 shipped to upgrade my lightly overclocked i7 920. I do not expect any released bulldozer to be faster than this 6 core / 12 threaded processor and it would have probably been more expensive to me since I already have the lga1366 motherboard.
 
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I don't need to upgrade very often. The only reason I went from my 940BE to my 1090T is I had some extra money left from my birthday and I was going in for surgery and needed something to play around with and cheer myself up. Otherwise, I have no problem waiting out an entire cycle if it seems the most logical thing to do. I plan on waiting to see what happens with the Bulldozer launch and if things look good (performance and value) I'll reevaluate where I'm at in terms of the potential benefit at that time. In that case I may try to buy in around the 8170 or whatever the next stepping chip is. I see a lot of people confusing "need" and "want" when it comes to the timing for their purchases. Most of the hardware upgrades I've done over the years were not necessary. Beneficial, but not absolutely required at the time. More processing power for a job or college course = need, more processing power for higher FPS in a game = want.
 
I usually build my comps with AMD CPUs, but when my 1055T and Asus mobo died (my fault) I needed a replacement pronto. If BD had been out a month ago, I would have upgraded to an 8 core. Instead, I picked up a 2500K and mobo at Microcenter for cheap. At this point I'm interested in BD's performance, but unless it's significantly faster, I won't be buying one.
 
I don't think AMD really realizes what all these delays mean to system builders. They've lost out a lot from people that have gotten tired of waiting.
 
Cool story brah.......hasnt changed my decisions one bit, i own both a 2600k and a 1090T , and you know what? for day to day, i use the 1090T......few things to correct you on...the 550 BE is an AM3 chip, not AM2+, AMD will not have BD work on a socket that is 2 or 3 sockets old.....and quite honestly, i'd rather them delay all they need so we dont get some low performance like the original Phenom...


tlc4tvm said:
You know I am an AMD fan boy of sorts.

Out of the 5 to 7 great desktops I've have built thus far and invested what was at that time alot of money, only two have been intels.

AMD - Slot a 600 upgraded to a 900
Intel - Dual 833Mhz
AMD - Barton xp2500
AMD - Dual Socket A - 2500MP
AMD - Dual Opteron 940 - dual 875's
Intel - Q6600 (sold too early)
AMD - BE550 unlocked to quad at 4Ghz

AMD has really screwed the pooch with me, first they won't confirm that the bulldozer would work on a AM2+ socket (now it looks like they will ... yet to be seen).

Result I start looking at selling my 550BE AM2+ unlcocked and overclocked...

I do sell it and work off my backup laptop. (that starts getting really old)

AMD delays yet again...

Result purchase 2500K with board.

Still no release and I'm happy with my choice. As a result i'll probaly stay with the 2500K and upgrade to ivy bridge.

This could have been avoided if I was told in advance the BD would be supported on AM2+.
Second possibility wouldn't have sold the AM2+ setup so far in advance if the date (within a week or two) were known.



So what were your circumstances that made AMD loose money due to their release decisions.
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Earlier this year I decided I wanted a desktop for games after having just used laptops since 2002. Got the X4 955 to keep costs down in anticipation of upgrading to Bulldozer (or 2500k if Bulldozer sucked). To date I have experienced no performance issues, and if I really wish to increase speed in the system, I can probably just add a SSD or faster graphics card. I suspect I'll get a more tangible benefit from that.

That being said, maybe I'll still upgrade to Bulldozer just for the hell of it!
 
No effect with me as I am waiting for Bulldozer benchmarks. If results are worse than i7 2600k with 8 threaded tasks I will go Intel though.
 
last November I remenber thinking I should wait to build a system because BD is right around the corner, but I needed a system and parts are cheap in November so I built a semi budget 1055T system. I'm glad I did because I'd still be waiting 8 months later with no definative release date in sight.
 
Well, I got laid off, so I am glad BD is delayed.

The CPU Gods are waiting for me to get a job before allowing BDs to come out.

Sorry W.Feather... No BD for you!
 
Speedy, do what you name says and get a job fast. :D (Hope you do anyways.)
 
heflys20 said:
No choice here, since I have an AM3+ board.



Saw it, and will believe it when it's announced by AMD. As of right now, we don't even know the official specs; let alone release date.
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official specs were privately released already by AMD and leaked at least their high end parts. there hasn't been much info on the low end parts. we know the clocks of their flag ship 8150 will be 3.6ghz stock 4.2Ghz with turbo. the 8130 will be 3.4Ghz stock 4Ghz turbo.. the bad ass flag ship processor won't release til Q1 2012 which will be the 8170 @ 3.8Ghz stock 4.6Ghz turbo which will most likely be on a new process if they are expecting stock/turbo clocks to be that high.


as far as the original question, it hasn't changed anything on my end, bulldozer was always going to be my next upgrade after my phenom II 940.
 
Let's see... if BD was out on the "original" schedule of around June (Q2), I would not have bought dmolter's L5640 rig. Then again neither intel nor AMD made money off of that one because it was a secondhand sale.
 
I've been holding off buying anything but memory PC related.

I keep hoping for the best but delay after delay and AMD's caginess with releasing detailed hard data on performance have me pretty pessimistic about BD. I'm waiting for its release but I'm guessing its going to be a dud and that I'll end up getting a socket 2011 Intel based system with the quad core version of SB-E.

Here is to hoping I'm wrong.

Currently on a quad C2D @ 3Ghz.
Had a dual C2D @ 3.3Ghz before that.
Before that: A64 X2 @ 2.8Ghz
Before that: A64 @ 3.1Ghz
Before those...
AXP 2600+ @ ...can't remember
Duron @ ...can't remember, want to say 1.4Ghz
600Mhz Slot A Athlon @ 900Mhz
PII @ ....can't remember
K5 PR90 @ 120Mhz, think it worked out to a PR150 or something
before that was various 486's and 386's from Cyrix (don't laugh they were good back then), Intel, and AMD
Had a Lu Wang before that with dual CPU's at just under 1Mhz I think. The case was the size of a filing cabinet and had 8" floppy disk drives.
 
I'm annoyed with all the rumors, misinformation, and disappointments, but if BD kicks ass I'll still be buying one. I'm an AMD fan at heart and I really want them to come out with something great.
 
Hoping to get back with AMD after:

K6-2 350Mhz
Athlon 3000+ Venice
Athlon X2 3800+ Manchester
Athlon X2 5000+ Black Edition
Athlon X2 5200+ (relegated to HTPC duties)
C2D E8400 (waiting for future HTPC upgrade)
C2D E8700 (current main rig)

Waiting on BD benchmarks before building new rig. If it isn't a significant contender against Sandy, then I'll be holding out for an Ivy in the spring.
 
Bdzr will only work on AM3+. It is a new socket and has extra pins that the AM3 doesnt have but AM3 chips will not use those new pins thereby making the AM3 chips work on the AM3+ socket but not the other way around. Hope this helps. Correct me if I am wrong community.
 
well I started saving a while back for a Bulldozer. Before I knew it I had $3500 saved up so I bought new furniture for the living room and bunkbeds for the kids.
 
tangoseal said:
Bdzr will only work on AM3+. It is a new socket and has extra pins that the AM3 doesnt have but AM3 chips will not
use those new pins thereby making the AM3 chips work on the AM3+ socket but not the other way around. Hope this helps. Correct me if I am wrong community.
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There are already AM3 mobos out their with BIOS patches or scheduled BIOS patches that is going to allow BD support.
 
Yep. Bought myself a 2500k, then sold it and got myself a 2600k (20-30 dollar difference, so I figured why not)

once it comes out, maybe ill sell the 2600k and see what I can get.
 
Never went to Intel not for desktops..got an i-3 laptop as a gift but erm I can't say no because it was Intel I'm not that dumb :)

I might even wait until 2012 to get a BD all ready to go we'll see how it stacks up and how it's priced.
 
I was looking forward to seeing how BD stacked up against Sandy Bridge which was why I originally put off my build back in February. Unfortunately I got tired of waiting and without hearing any solid performance info on Bulldozer I built a i7 2600K rig last week. Maybe next time AMD.
 
I recently sold my computer (Intel based) and I planned to build a new computer with a Bulldozer CPU. Buy if they don't come out soon enough. I'll probably go Intel again.
 
I have kept watching and waiting for Bulldozer. I'm long since tired of waiting though. I want to see how it performs, but I'm upgrading in a couple weeks whether it's out or not. I don't see any reason not to stay with Intel right now, which is too bed because I do like AMD.
 
I have no problem waiting another month or two. Its not like my 1100T is slow, FAR from it.
 
Basically, I'm waiting on BD to be released and benches to come out. If it sucks, I'll be ready to go Intel once more -- but I will wait for the next gen AMD cards to come out before considering.
 
I just recently came from an E8400 to a 2500K this week (got a sweet deal). I'm still interested in seeing what AMD has to offer but I won't be upgrading my cpu for another 3-4 years ideally.
 
Got tired of delay after delay with no release date forthcoming, so finally just got an am3+ board and a cheap 965 to go with it. Since 4 cores is more than enough for gaming anyways, I won't be upgrading to a BD any time soon.
Still anxious to find out how it stacks up, but I don't think it'll be that good. I'm certain they'll blame GloFo for a bad 32nm process that prevented them from achieving high clocks, and if Llano is anything to go by, I'll probably agree.
 
Last week I switched from a 965BE to an I5 2500k. I have been a devout consumer of AMD products until now. I actually jumped ship to Nvidia as well(6870->580). If Bulldozer was out at my time of purchase, I probably would have went that route. I can honestly say, I am extremely happy with my purchases. I haven't owned an Intel processor since the Celeron 400, and I must say, I am impressed with the 2500K.
 
i thought AMD said from the start that BD wouldnt work on AM2+ or if it did, it would be hugely nuttered..
 
I have like AMD for there price/performance ratio for a while now, but my rig has a 2500k in it...
 
Ya, AMD has lost the price / performance ratio almost since the C2Q series came around.
 
I'm just being patient, I haven't really liked the current upgrade possibilities as my system is somewhere in the middle at this point (720BE 2.8Ghz, 8GB DDR3, GTX 470). So, I get to play the wait and see game until the next nVidia series comes out (as I think my 720BE will bottleneck anything past my 470 at the point). That means I can afford to see what Bulldozer manages to throw out....unless BF3 and some of the newer games coming out in the next six to eight months makes my system look silly.
 
its affected me. I said fuck bulldozer and bought a 2600k. I don't see myself going back to AMD for my main rig anytime soon. But I do hope bulldozer can compete.

I still support AMD with the Radeons mainly because eyefinity imo is by far better then nvidia's surround right now.
 
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