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What's up people. I'm sure many of you have seen this come across CBC or CTV these last few weeks but if you haven't it's something you gotta do (sign) and have everyone you know sign it as well.

Here's a quick blurb from the website -- http://openmedia.ca/meter

Internet Service Providers (ISPs) are about to impose usage-based billing on YOU.

This means we're looking at a future where ISPs will charge per byte, the way they do with smart phones. If we allow this to happen Canadians will have no choice but to pay MUCH more for less Internet. Big Telecom companies are obviously trying to gouge consumers, control the Internet market, and ensure that consumers continue to subscribe to their television services.

These Big Telecom companies are forcing small competing ISPs to adopt the same pricing scheme, so that we have no choice but to pay these punitive fees.

This will crush innovative services, Canada's digital competitiveness, and your wallet.

We urgently need to send a clear message to Ottawa, saying that we won't stand by while some of the most profitable companies in the country indiscriminately add new fees to our Internet bills. Enough is enough.

UPDATE: The CRTC just made a decision that paves the way for new internet fees to be added to your bill. To stop this we need to raise our voices now more than ever.
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I'm not sure about you but this really annoys me considering how much both Rogers & Bell are ripping us off, and the sad thing it's only going to get worse. Say goodbye to the days of streaming ANYTHING you want online, say goodbye to wasting the hundreds of hours watching funny s*** on you tube, and more importantly say goodbye to your freedom online. Well not unless you want to pay even more money for your connection lol...

I'm usually not one to ask people to sign a petition but in all honesty, this is something us Canadian's have to stand up for.

So my fellow Canucks!!!!!!!!!!!! Sign the petition & if you're really feeling up to it click here and find your local MP and drop him an email about the issue as well. http://www2.parl.gc.ca/parlinfo/comp....aspx?menu=hoc be sure to sign it with your name and address b/c they hold onto emails and letters like that.

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I see the Canadians on here are up at arms. Or there aren't many Canadians.
 
Yea I wasn't too sure how many Canucks were on here... but figured it was worth a shot nonetheless. :(
 
robbay686 said:
... and more importantly say goodbye to your freedom online.
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Contrary to popular belief freedom isn't free.

The way I look at it is that it's about time that people realize that they need to pay for what they consume rather than having a big free for all. Resources come at a cost and companies do need to stay profitable. Simple really.

I am in support of usage based payment plans, and yes, I do stream Netflix.
 
Well after living abroad for 5 years, and living in 2nd and third world countries and having better Health care and Cellphone and internet service I came to conclusion that Canada is a shit hole. Its expensive its OVERATED, ITS NOT A REAL COUNTRY, CULTURE IS NON EXISTANT AND the people on the general are ignorant morons.
 
Thuleman said:
Contrary to popular belief freedom isn't free.

The way I look at it is that it's about time that people realize that they need to pay for what they consume rather than having a big free for all. Resources come at a cost and companies do need to stay profitable. Simple really.

I am in support of usage based payment plans, and yes, I do stream Netflix.
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When they start lowering what you can use and upping the price what will be your position then? Wireless carriers are a prime example.
 
Shockey said:
When they start lowering what you can use and upping the price what will be your position then? Wireless carriers are a prime example.
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Flat rate service plans are a relic of times past when end users were not in the position to actually put a strain on the infrastructure. Now everyone, their child, and their dog has high speed always on Internet and "unlimited" plans are simply unrealistic because people actually constantly use their connections.

So yes, my position is that at the end of the day we live in a for-profit world and infrastructure needs to be paid for thus it is not unreasonable to ask those who use it to pay for it based on how much they use it.

This does result in higher prices for less data volume but that's only because the previous plans were fundamentally flawed based on the assumption that marketing "unlimited" data volume will not actually result in end users saturating their connections for the majority of the time.

I don't understand why folks have such a sense of entitlement that they should receive unlimited service for next to no cost. What would you say to your boss if he tells you tomorrow morning that the company you work for feels they are entitled to 80 hours of your time per week and feel that they should only pay you for 10?
 
This has started in Canada, but this kind of policy WILL spread around the world, the longer it goes on for before mass protests, the harder it will be to stop.

Rest assured that this is where the internet is heading, metered usage unlike what we have now, even in the UK and Europe their is speak of doing the same thing, and all the big isps worldwide are just dieing to do it, but they dont want to be the first to, but once one starts the rest will follow suit.

I would advise everyone to sign a petition and voice their concerns regarding this issue, simply for the fact that if you dont do soemthing, then the companies will think its ok to do this and once a few isp's start doing it, the rest will cave in and then it will be much much harder to stop.

This is a fucking travesty and it needs to be stopped now before it gets a foothold.

Nobody needs unlimited usage, but a fair usage policy should come into play and 25 gig is not fair, especially considering a streaming movie can be a few gigs, 50-100 gig cap would be fair, ok some will disagree but the vast majority of people dont go over 50-100 gig usage each month.

Being an ISP = license to print money more or less, and with practises like this, they will be laughing all the way to the bank with your hard earned.

Charging you the same or more for less bandwidth than what you have already got is despicable.
 
Wow this is news to me, this really sucks. I'll sign, but at the end, big corporations always win. I really hope they don't go through with this. I think the CRTC should even step in to stop them, this is just not right at all. It's enough they threatented to cap usage, now this is going WAY overboard.

We already pay a monthly fee for NN bandwidth, we should not have to pay per usage. Even the way they do it with cells, I think it's BS.
 
Thuleman -- I ask you to please define what you consider a normal web surfer then?

A friend of mine summed this up really well...

This isn't 1998 where most of the web was basic pictures and text. Everything has multimedia in it now. Basic sites are full of video, sounds flash animations etc. Add to that Netflix streaming, game downloads and connectivity of game systems to play online, console and PC OS and software updates, iTunes/Music, etc, etc.

Just because some people don't use a lot today doesn't mean the demand will not drastically increase. And at this point and for the past few years it has been clear that the trend for data use is going up and not down regardless what some people might think.

The only people that really use very little are the older generations what don't even know what they're doing with their PC.

Hell it's gotten to the point that if you go out and buy a new TV or Blu-ray player it want's to be connected to the internet as well to make all kinds of digital online content available to you.

That is what the companies like Bell and Rogers is scared of. If people can stream what they normally watch on TV over the internet (which for the most part you can, not as good as the US but that will come one day) why will anyone want to over pay for Satilite/Cable service that is offered today?
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Nobody's talking about making it a MUST for unlimited and that every plan needs to have unlimited access. But for what we pay here in Canada and for the services we receive, it's simply not fair. Plus when only 2 major ISPs are controling 95% of the market you have a anti competitive monopoly that destroys any choice for us consumers. You speak as if the ISPs actually spent the money themselves to build and maintain this infrastructure and that they have to make money on it... but we've actually been the ones paying for everything. They just pass the majority if not all of their costs to us customers and quite frankly we're tired of being gouged.

But hey, if you truly enjoy being gouged and throwing your money away to some giant corporation then I'll sit here and beg you, to please, PLEASE consider my bank account instead next month. I have a brand spankin new LED tv I want to buy (in the us of course lol) and send up here :D haha. Man I'd be happy to collect your wasted $ that you no longer value, HEY! Maybe then I could also afford surround sound!!! . This is just a joke please don't take it too serious.. lol
 
Thuleman said:
So yes, my position is that at the end of the day we live in a for-profit world and infrastructure needs to be paid for thus it is not unreasonable to ask those who use it to pay for it based on how much they use it.
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You used the wrong terms, we don't live in a FOR profit world, we live in a MORE profit world

Example, Q1 2010 Comcast profit was up 12% at over $800 million in just one quarter. Revenue want up to over $9 Billion for 1st wuarter 2010

If a company simply makes not profit, they go away, comcast and the other isps out there make pretty heafty profit already, they just want more of it.

Source http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/28/comcast-profit-up-12_n_555068.html
 
robbay686 said:
Nobody's talking about making it a MUST for unlimited and that every plan needs to have unlimited access.
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The way I read it is that everyone in this thread, other than you and I, is insisting on retaining unlimited service for the current price

robbay686 said:
But for what we pay here in Canada and for the services we receive, it's simply not fair.
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Fair? Really, that's your argument?
Life isn't fair. It's not fair that I used to pay 88 cents for a gallon of gas and now I pay 3.88, it's not fair a loaf of my favorite Puglesie bread used to be 1.79 not too long ago and now it's $4.50, yadda yadda yadda, fair is relative and completely irrelevant.

What's relevant is money paid vs benefit received. If you are asked to pay too much for too little you will simply not do it. Companies charge what the market will bear, that's working as intended.

robbay686 said:
Plus when only 2 major ISPs are controling 95% of the market you have a anti competitive monopoly that destroys any choice for us consumers.
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So start up an ISP and compete. Oh wait, you don't have the hundreds of millions, if not billions, it would take to create the infrastructure today. The market will regulate itself, no government intervention is needed. If the price for the service becomes too high people will stop using it or a commercial alternative will appear.

robbay686 said:
You speak as if the ISPs actually spent the money themselves to build and maintain this infrastructure and that they have to make money on it... but we've actually been the ones paying for everything.
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Actually you have been repaying the investment those companies made, you didn't give them the hundreds of millions needed to put the infrastructure in place.

Usage based fees make sense because Internet bandwidth is a limited resource and those who want it should pay for it while those who don't use it nearly as much shouldn't subsidize those who do.

Yes, the currently proposed data cap and overage fees are unrealistic but that doesn't mean that the concept as a whole is wrong. If you use then you pay, that's really a universal concept and it was only a matter of time become the Internet would catch up to reality reality in that aspect.

k1pp3r said:
You used the wrong terms, we don't live in a FOR profit world, we live in a MORE profit world

Example, Q1 2010 Comcast profit was up 12% at over $800 million in just one quarter. Revenue want up to over $9 Billion for 1st wuarter 2010

If a company simply makes not profit, they go away, comcast and the other isps out there make pretty heafty profit already, they just want more of it.
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And what's wrong with that?
The whole point of capitalism is to achieve and sustain as high of a profit as possible.

You are making X per year, which leaves you with Y of disposable income. Why don't you go ahead and tell your employer that it's OK to cut your compensation so that you only have Y/10 left since you really don't need the full amount of Y.
 
Thuleman said:
And what's wrong with that?
The whole point of capitalism is to achieve and sustain as high of a profit as possible.

You are making X per year, which leaves you with Y of disposable income. Why don't you go ahead and tell your employer that it's OK to cut your compensation so that you only have Y/10 left since you really don't need the full amount of Y.
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Personally, i don't see any problem in increasing profit, but at what point should the customer suffer? I'm a firm believer that a company should seek to improve its product offering to increase its profit. Changing a pricing model to squeeze more profit out of a service that keeps going downhill eventually results in loss of customers.

Look what happened to DISH when they stopped broadcasting some channels, they lost a lot customers, and i personally know 10 people that left them for that exact reason.

Is unlimted the future, no probably not. But if the ISP's provide a much better product with a resonable service plan, then there is nothing wrong with that. Keyword is better, cause comcast sucks balls
 
What my fear is with this is they are trying to sell internet the same way natural gas and electricity are sold. From a business perspective it does kinda make sense, but from a consumer perspective it does not at all. Energy usage trends pretty much stay the same, to some extent. There are also ways to save such as getting more efficient furnace/appliances, better insulation etc.

Internet is a almost a necessity for lot of entertainment, and business use and people have been paying flat rate for it since the start, it's a crime to do such a drastic change to pricing where users now have to watch how much they use just so they don't end up with $10,000 bills at the end of the month. We already pay a rate for it, and we should get the service we are paying for, for that rate, and only that rate.

I want my bill to always be the same, not jump all over the place based on what movies I downloaded, or how much spam I got. Even the energy companies know this, and offer equal billing plans.
 
Wrench00 said:
Well after living abroad for 5 years, and living in 2nd and third world countries and having better Health care and Cellphone and internet service I came to conclusion that Canada is a shit hole. Its expensive its OVERATED, ITS NOT A REAL COUNTRY, CULTURE IS NON EXISTANT AND the people on the general are ignorant morons.
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May I ask where you stayed/lived in Canada?

Come to Saskatchewan! Enjoy Sasktel... and cold winters.
 
k1pp3r said:
Personally, i don't see any problem in increasing profit, but at what point should the customer suffer? I'm a firm believer that a company should seek to improve its product offering to increase its profit. Changing a pricing model to squeeze more profit out of a service that keeps going downhill eventually results in loss of customers.

Look what happened to DISH when they stopped broadcasting some channels, they lost a lot customers, and i personally know 10 people that left them for that exact reason.
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The difference is that in the case of DISH the customer has alternatives, in the case of ISPs there really aren't any alternatives other than simply not using it as much. In that Internet is like gasoline, you need it and hence you will pay whatever it costs to get it, but at the same time you will consider ways where you can save on costs by using it less.


Red Squirrel said:
There are also ways to save such as getting more efficient furnace/appliances, better insulation etc.

Internet is a almost a necessity for lot of entertainment, and business use and people have been paying flat rate for it since the start
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Necessity and entertainment do not belong in one sentence. You do have other entertainment options many of which are considerably less expensive per hour of usage. You can also save on Bandwidth by being more conscientious about your usage (i.e. listen to terrestrial radio rather than streaming the same station over the web, only watch that funny youtube video 5 times instead of 15 (though it may be cached locally, no idea)).

Use web browser plug-ins which block flash content, and/or don't download images which exceed X kb (which I do already since I am annoyed by most gfx anyway). There are things one can do to save when it's necessary. Again though, I don't see the 25 GB / month cap stay as is, I'd fully expect them to add a zero to it and make it 250 GB / month.

Red Squirrel said:
We already pay a rate for it, and we should get the service we are paying for, for that rate, and only that rate.
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Except you aren't paying for it. That's the whole point. Too many people use "too much" of their "unlimited data". Yes, you are receiving advertised service for the advertised rate, but the only reason that rate exists is because of "false advertising" if you will. Had they known (which they did, they just deferred the problem) that people will actually saturate their connection most of the time they would have never offered a flat rate to begin with.

Also, I wonder whether you are just too young to remember that the Internet started out metered where you had to pay for long distance calls by the minute to call the Compuserve hub which charged you $22.50/hour during the day and $6.50 per hour at night.
 
Thuleman said:
And what's wrong with that?
The whole point of capitalism is to achieve and sustain as high of a profit as possible.

You are making X per year, which leaves you with Y of disposable income. Why don't you go ahead and tell your employer that it's OK to cut your compensation so that you only have Y/10 left since you really don't need the full amount of Y.
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I don't live in Canada but I need to point out that according to the OP, this plan will force all ISPs to change how they charge. Yes, companies need to make a profit but this plan removes the competition aspect and makes it a monopoly. The competition helps keep the prices in check but if all companies are forced to follow the same price plan then there is no more competition and the customer gets screwed.
 
The point is, the goverment should be encouraging use of technology. If they go ahead with this, they are simply discouraging use, and keeping people in the dark ages. At one point, we need to go paperless, there is so much unneeded waste out there. Why do we even have paper newspapers, or paper bills these days? All that stuff should be through the internet. But if they start caping internet people will actually opt out of anything that uses it because it will cost more. That means more pollution, and in the end, more cost. It cost more to send stuff by snail mail, then internet.

If I pay for a 5mbps pipe, then I want to be able to use it how much I want. I'm paying for it. If they want to throttle me when I go past a certain amount, I can maybe live with that, even. Though that would kinda suck as well but at least my bill is the same. If we have to start watching how much we use it, it will only discourage use of technology. Not to mention so many people are going to get burned hard with this. What if your grandma get's a virus on her computer that starts sending out spam and she has to pay $30,000 at the end of the month? Typicaly the ISP should shut down and notify such users, but in a case like this, they'll just be laughing at all the money they are making. With websites being more and more intensive these days, with flash and all that crap, it's going to become too expensive even just to browse. Lot of busisses will lose out on this. Things like netfix and youtube will be a thing of the past. We're basically going to go back to BBSes.
 
Dude, your 5mbps pipe has never been unlimited DATA. There has always been a data cap. Data caps have been in place for years now.

Some ISP's have been nice, and don't charge people when they go over their data allotment. Since some users don't use all of their allotment, they have taken that unused portion from other people and applied it to the people who go over. Win win for everyone. They get to keep advertising UNLIMITED and as long as everyone doesn't go over no one never needs to know. Its a marketing trick to part you with your dollar.

Call up any provider and ask how much a true unmetered connection costs. You'll be surprised, suddenly your $40 per month with 75GB cap is looking pretty affordable.
 
satterth said:
Call up any provider and ask how much a true unmetered connection costs. You'll be surprised, suddenly your $40 per month with 75GB cap is looking pretty affordable.
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DSL in Saskatchewan is 100% unmetered.
 
hoeding said:
DSL in Saskatchewan is 100% unmetered.
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Unmetered here too. There was threats that it could be metered at one point, but they tried it in one region and lost lot of customers so they never did it here. The difference between paying for a high end 5mbps line, and resiential, is that the one you pay a lot for will guarantee you 5mbps and have better support. The residential ones might be 100 lines sharing a single 100mbps pipe, so while your speed is not guaranteed, you are allowed to use whatever is available, to it's fullest, without having to worry about your bill changing. That is the point. If I want 5mbps 100% of the time, then yes I will have to pay for a dedicated link. If my 5mbps line is sucking and only going up to 1mbps, sure, it sucks, but at least I know I can pull it's max non stop without having to pay more.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Unmetered here too. There was threats that it could be metered at one point, but they tried it in one region and lost lot of customers so they never did it here. The difference between paying for a high end 5mbps line, and resiential, is that the one you pay a lot for will guarantee you 5mbps and have better support. The residential ones might be 100 lines sharing a single 100mbps pipe, so while your speed is not guaranteed, you are allowed to use whatever is available, to it's fullest, without having to worry about your bill changing. That is the point. If I want 5mbps 100% of the time, then yes I will have to pay for a dedicated link. If my 5mbps line is sucking and only going up to 1mbps, sure, it sucks, but at least I know I can pull it's max non stop without having to pay more.
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Living in Saskatchewan I can say support for even a basic residential is top notch. In 5 years it's been down maybe 3 or 4 times at at most for ~ 5 minutes. I always have my guaranteed speed and a consistent latency. I love Sasktel. I have nothing good to say about Shaw on the other hand... Hell, Sasktel up till last year hosted their own Newsgroup server free for all customers.
 
My connection fluctuates a lot, but as far as reliability, I can't complain either. It's rarely ever down. For what I use it for, I don't care as much about the speed but the consistency. I uploaded a 2GB file to a server the other day. It took 2 days, but it got there, and it did not cost me anything to do it.
 
This whole idea is a load of shit and I seriously hope it doesn't catch on. The only good reason I can come up with is to stop piracy. Unfortunately people are idiots now everyone who goes 'lolz pirate bay' (ok, maybe not them anymore but you get the point) thinks they are god. It used to take a brain to pirate stuff but now that any average joe can do it they need to find ways to crack down on it and all of the bandwidth that it is using. This would be a pretty damn good way to stop it.

That being said this will be a serious negative impact on so many things if all isp's adopt it. I can only wonder how much the digital distribution services would take before they started fighting it. Take Steam for example. A lot of new games are 8gb or more a piece. God forbid there is a holiday sale where someone buys a bunch of games and cant even download them all because of a bandwidth cap. If they decide to charge per byte then why the hell would I bother paying for a game and then pay to download it as well? It doesn't make any sense at all. Netflix/hulu/youtube would all also be affected. I would like to hope they wouldn't just sit there and take it. I'm sure they would like to make money too.

The problem with all of these companies today is everything is about greed. How can we make more money? I know! Lets give out customers the shaft! Lets outsource our tech support to save some money and give out customers a more difficult time. Hell, it took weeks of my entire street complaining to Comcast to get the damn line fixed so our tv would stop going black every few minutes and to stop our internet from dropping out.

It just seems that everything Comcast does (and I'm sure other isps as well) is to their own benefit. Lets raise your rates every other month! Lets advertise our speeds with powerboost so it looks like they are faster then they really are! Lets impose a 250gb cap so we can charge people when they go over and keep our costs down!

Surely the millions of dollars they are making just isn't enough. You want to make more money? Fine. I get that. Is it to much to ask that you fix how shitty you company is and make your customers happy first? I guess so.
 
I think we have a win! Even the Tories think it is ridiculous.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/932571--ottawa-threatens-to-reverse-crtc-decision-on-internet-billing looks like we might get a reprieve. now they have to make a new company which owns and maintains cable, wire and fiber. bell and everyone else can lease from them. the wire co is not allowed to own any ISP, TV or any other media producing companies. its called "conflict of interest" and should be illegal. (bell did not build the wires, the tax payers did)
 
il be fine whit meter ueseg if it was like my power bill and all i pay is $.010 a kw so how bout $.10 a gb? O wait they would want me to pay my $59 for 16mbs and then xx per bg + overages yea fuck that shit. I would think big companies like stream and netflix would step in and fight this but wait this is the isp will probably go hear netflix takes this few mil and shut up.
 
hoeding said:
DSL in Saskatchewan is 100% unmetered.
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Really, Sasktel 100% unmetered... Wow is all i can say. One more good thing about Saskatchewan over Alberta.

I'm in Edmonton, EVERYTHING available to me has caps of some type.

I need to move.
 
TheEndangeredSpecie said:
This whole idea is a load of shit and I seriously hope it doesn't catch on. The only good reason I can come up with is to stop piracy. Unfortunately people are idiots now everyone who goes 'lolz pirate bay' (ok, maybe not them anymore but you get the point) thinks they are god. It used to take a brain to pirate stuff but now that any average joe can do it they need to find ways to crack down on it and all of the bandwidth that it is using. This would be a pretty damn good way to stop it.

That being said this will be a serious negative impact on so many things if all isp's adopt it. I can only wonder how much the digital distribution services would take before they started fighting it. Take Steam for example. A lot of new games are 8gb or more a piece. God forbid there is a holiday sale where someone buys a bunch of games and cant even download them all because of a bandwidth cap. If they decide to charge per byte then why the hell would I bother paying for a game and then pay to download it as well? It doesn't make any sense at all. Netflix/hulu/youtube would all also be affected. I would like to hope they wouldn't just sit there and take it. I'm sure they would like to make money too.

The problem with all of these companies today is everything is about greed. How can we make more money? I know! Lets give out customers the shaft! Lets outsource our tech support to save some money and give out customers a more difficult time. Hell, it took weeks of my entire street complaining to Comcast to get the damn line fixed so our tv would stop going black every few minutes and to stop our internet from dropping out.

It just seems that everything Comcast does (and I'm sure other isps as well) is to their own benefit. Lets raise your rates every other month! Lets advertise our speeds with powerboost so it looks like they are faster then they really are! Lets impose a 250gb cap so we can charge people when they go over and keep our costs down!

Surely the millions of dollars they are making just isn't enough. You want to make more money? Fine. I get that. Is it to much to ask that you fix how shitty you company is and make your customers happy first? I guess so.
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Yep it's sad, but this is pretty much how all companies are run these days. Ethical companies are a rare thing.

I'm glad so far they are losing this particular battle though.
 
thax said:
il be fine whit meter ueseg if it was like my power bill and all i pay is $.010 a kw so how bout $.10 a gb? O wait they would want me to pay my $59 for 16mbs and then xx per bg + overages yea fuck that shit. I would think big companies like stream and netflix would step in and fight this but wait this is the isp will probably go hear netflix takes this few mil and shut up.
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Yep that's probably what they'd do, and that's my fear. It would become unaffordable to do anything online, and we'd basically go back to the old ways. Drive and go see a movie, instead of downloading it, send letters with postal mail instead of email etc... so much for trying to make a greener life style. :eek:
 
Didn't this just get resolved this morning for Canada ? the Government said no ?
 
hoeding said:
DSL in Saskatchewan is 100% unmetered.
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aDSL in Saskatchewan through Sasktel is unmetered, however Sasktel is a crown corporation, the taxpayers paid for the infrastructure. Sasktel owns all the copper infrastructure in Saskatchewan (because it was given to them) and has ridiculous right-of-way rights.

EDIT: lot's of people from Saskatchewan on here...
 
dashpuppy said:
Didn't this just get resolved this morning for Canada ? the Government said no ?
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It looks like it, but not sure if it's finalized or not.

The fear still remains though, that they'll continue to push for this, but guess if they fail the first time they might not bother to try again.
 
Red Squirrel said:
It looks like it, but not sure if it's finalized or not.

The fear still remains though, that they'll continue to push for this, but guess if they fail the first time they might not bother to try again.
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hope it doesn't go through, but then again if they do, then all those people with open wireless systems are going to get SCREWED, people will be using open wifi all over to download and do their stuff instead of pushing their own cap to the limit.

It's a WIFI war i guess!
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Sorry. I don't see getting screwed as being a patriot.

Thuleman said:
Contrary to popular belief freedom isn't free.

The way I look at it is that it's about time that people realize that they need to pay for what they consume rather than having a big free for all. Resources come at a cost and companies do need to stay profitable. Simple really.

I am in support of usage based payment plans, and yes, I do stream Netflix.
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