Valve announces DOTA 2

Bye bye LoL. There's no way Riot games will be able to compete with the polished titles Valve puts out. Now perhaps I can convince my friends to stop throwing $30 a month at it since we all really enjoy Valve's games.
 
4saken said:
wasnt this announced a few mths ago?
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No, what was announced then was that Valve was working with on of the DOTA original developers on a project. Today Valve officially is announced a game titled, DOTA2.
 
I'll stick to LoL, since it claims the gameplay is going to be unchanged. DoTa's heroes are still too imbalanced compared to LoL
 
Until somebody puts time and effort to balance the gameplay on any of these games they will never really stick.

LoL has done the best with creating a game that is "simple to learn" but "hard to master". HoN has the best game when it comes to control, characters, sound and experience but is hard to learn and almost impossible to master.

I really am drawn to this genre and have put somet time into HoN, but the community quickly gets old when they wish for my mother to die in a car wreck just because they are losing. Also the spamming about how bad you/your team is gets old.

They need to come up with a way that you dont get penalized if your team sucks due to the steam rolling effect with items and such. LoL has made some progress in this field, but the overall game looks and plays clunky to me. In my opinion if you took HoNs graphics and smoothness of gameplay and applied LoL's mechanics then you would be getting somewere.

It needs to be much like BFBC2 or any other FPS, you can lose the game because your team sucks, but you yourself can have a good game with high points and a good K/D spread due to your own skill.

Until this happens these games will not catch onto a mass market and that is a shame. A game that only has a small niche market and can't attract new players isn't going to be good long term. You will eventually run out of money trying to support a game that does not have a revenue stream which will then put a bad taste in people mouths about your company. I honestly believe that S2 games is already feeling this but has kept quiet on the issue.
 
Ooo if it's all true I am actually excited. I use to be a avid Dota player. Never made the transition to HON or LoL though.
 
Honestly I'll be interested to see how this could be better than HoN or LoL. HoN is pretty much a perfect "DOTA2" in that it refines, balances, and keeps a lot of the original stuff so that old players are comfortable. LoL expands a bit and changes the dynamic. Then there are titles like Demigod that took it another way (depth, fewer characters etc..) Really, I can't see the necessity for a "DOTA2" unless it completely blows my socks off.

Oh, and Valve. Please keep up with HoN and release a Linux client, or at least OpenGL graphics options.
 
Totally unrelated but I like to say it anyway.

Founder/ower of S2 Games, Marc DeForest, made all his original capital in the early days of online porn. :D
 
The only thing that really bothers me about the whole situation is that Valve is going to be assuming all the rights of DOTA including patenting the name. Seems like a ripoff imo. I know HoN is an exact clone but at least its not called DOTA2.
 
its amazing how big icefrog blew up.. I remember being a shaman in TDA and recruiting him with Gippis..
 
infect0 said:
Totally unrelated but I like to say it anyway.

Founder/ower of S2 Games, Marc DeForest, made all his original capital in the early days of online porn. :D
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Smart guy. He banked on the one thing you could profit from on the internet from the onset.
 
If you're gonna cut a deal for an exclusive story at least make sure your site can handle the load. It's been down entire day since the announcement.
 
I like how valve picks up these freelance/smaller/indie/whatever devs who have created something that the community loves, and then gives them some creative freedom. If that blog is true though, it really sucks that it's biting them in the ass.
 
What I really want to know from a legal stand point is how you can patent DOTA? Icefrog did not create the original IP but improved upon it. Did the original creators relinquish all rights?
 
infect0 said:
What I really want to know from a legal stand point is how you can patent DOTA? Icefrog did not create the original IP but improved upon it. Did the original creators relinquish all rights?
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Yeah I dunno why they put IceFrog on a pedestal, he just picked the game up when it was already fully functional and just kept updating it. He's pretty much picking up the scraps of the game, he's no "genius" by any means.
 
Don't kid yourselves, until IceFrog got into the mod it wasn't nearly as popular, his direction really made the game and was the main driving force for 5.84 which was the biggest map of all time.

They brought on IceFrog for direction, the guy has it and does it very well. I wouldn't be excited about it if they only had guinsoo, who I liked and was the main guy at developing the game but IceFrog was pretty much the "zuckerberg" of DOTA.

Also how can you patent a mod of WarCraft?
 
It sounds like this going to be a dota remake with better graphics and all the the raging dota punks immigrating over :(
 
I think HoN took up that route (dota with upgraded graphics/new heroes, etc).

Hopefully this one is actually a full fleged sequel with all new hereos and things, maybe more then ONE map that people actually play on.
 
Hellraiser said:
It sounds like this going to be a dota remake with better graphics and all the the raging dota punks immigrating over :(
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This. Not excited at all for this, even with Valve's typical level of polish going into it. DotA wasn't fun because of the idiots, and the chances are high that the community won't be any better this time around. LoL is only barely tolerable in that regard as well so perhaps it's a downfall with the genre as a whole instead of a single game.
 
Trimlock said:
Don't kid yourselves, until IceFrog got into the mod it wasn't nearly as popular, his direction really made the game and was the main driving force for 5.84 which was the biggest map of all time.

They brought on IceFrog for direction, the guy has it and does it very well. I wouldn't be excited about it if they only had guinsoo, who I liked and was the main guy at developing the game but IceFrog was pretty much the "zuckerberg" of DOTA.

Also how can you patent a mod of WarCraft?
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Icefrog didn't make it popular, it was already popular to begin with, and he just continued the legacy of guinsoo who already made the game damn popular.
 
SixtyWattMan said:
What the fuck happened to Episode 3?
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Vapourware?

I hope this isn't another one of Gabe's promised surprises as it's about as exciting as treading in dogshit and treading it around the house.

This will be the first Valve game in some time that I'm not going to buy.
 
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spicey said:
Vapourware?

I hope this isn't another one of Gabe's promised surprises as it's about as exciting as treading in dogshit and treading it around the house.

This will be the first Valve game in some time that I'm not going to buy.
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Likewise, I used to play DOTA in reign of chaos and a bit in TFT, but I still find it over-rated.
 
tpfaff said:
really? :confused:
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Yes. He started up ARS in ~97 then got out of adult for the most part selling it to his sister. In the late 90s online porn was literally a gold mine. You could create the shittiest website and pull in $10k+ a day. I know it sounds crazy but 100% true. The industry is no where near that profitable now.

http://www.pradult.com/2006/08/30/ars-sold-new-owner-new-vision/


So he basically cashed out and started up S2Games along with his hockey thing. He owns some other stuff as well.
 
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