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http://hardocp.com/article/2010/10/0..._at_best_buy/1NVIDIA goes on to fill rest of the space on box with mostly marketing speak. A couple more "Designed and Built by NVIDIA" statements, then a "Direct from the Source Support."
Uh, Kyle is hardly the average consumer. Did you happen to notice he runs a hardware site?Well, that didn't stop you from buying the card now did it?
Counting on the average Joe to be too dumb to notice or care about misleading advertising is not an excuse or justification for doing it.So if a "false statement" didn't stop you from buying the card, why should it stop the Average Joe.
Well, that didn't stop you from buying the card now did it?
I think the average consumer assumes that the product they buy, say a Nintendo Wii is built by Nintendo, the i-phone made by apple, etc.
You feed deceived, because you know who builds it. Average Joe doesn't know and doesn't care.
So if a "false statement" didn't stop you from buying the card, why should it stop the Average Joe.
§kynet;1036260594 said:Uh, Kyle is hardly the average consumer. Did you happen to notice he runs a hardware site?
Exactly my point, Kyle is not an average consumer, yet he got the card inspite of the "false statement". Now if it bothers him so much, why not return the card?
What are the chances that at least some partners will chose what's behind door #2, CYA Nvidia.Zarathustra[H];1036260614 said:They are firing a shot across their board partners bows saying, " you do it our way, or we'll do it ourselves without you".
You're welcome.
It is "sheer", not "shear".The shear logistics of supporting Best Buy customer returns and exchanges will be huge if NVIDIA sees any sort of volume of sales.
Well, that didn't stop you from buying the card now did it?
I think the average consumer assumes that the product they buy, say a Nintendo Wii is built by Nintendo, the i-phone made by apple, etc.
You feed deceived, because you know who builds it. Average Joe doesn't know and doesn't care.
So if a "false statement" didn't stop you from buying the card, why should it stop the Average Joe.
Do you really need it spelled out for you? Have you ever run a business?Exactly my point, Kyle is not an average consumer, yet he got the card inspite of the "false statement". Now if it bothers him so much, why not return the card?
I could care less i hate nvidia and best buy . I shop at Frys and buy ATI ...
Well given the price premium (it seems they are charging) they are filling the "enthusiast" gap left by BFG. As that was kind of the enthusiast brand at Best Buy. I don't consider Galaxy or PNY as enthusiast brands.
I just did a search at Amazon and Newegg and did not see NVIDIA branded cards there.
I guess I fail to see what the big deal is?
ATI did this for years and nobody crapped their pants over it.
§kynet;1036260679 said:What are the chances that at least some partners will chose what's behind door #2, CYA Nvidia.
BTW, what exactly have some partners done that does not meet with Nvidia approval?
They sell a few, like this one. They also have more in store than they show on the web AFAIK. Best Buy's site pretty much blows, if you do a search for "Nvidia" it shows no results.So the cool thing is I went to BestBuy.ca to see if they were selling NVidia cards. Nope
Why would Nvidia care? Overclocked cards can make you more competitive vs. AMD.Zarathustra[H];1036260722 said:Maybe Nvidia doesn't like the concept of factory overclocked video cards, for example?
Not that I remember.Were there ever any public spats between XFX and Nvidia?
Right now its exclusive with Best Buy to sell their cards.
§kynet;1036260728 said:They sell a few, like this one. They also have more in store than they show on the web AFAIK. Best Buy's site pretty much blows, if you do a search for "Nvidia" it shows no results.
§kynet;1036260735 said:Why would Nvidia care? Overclocked cards can make you more competitive vs. AMD.
Interesting....Imagine for a second if ALL the aftermarket (Asus, Galaxy, etc.) left ATI and NVIDIA and started their own R&D and put even MORE competition out there to try and bring down the green and red giants...
ATI did this for years and nobody crapped their pants over it.
s[H]aqFU;1036260854 said:I am thinking of a different spin on this...
I wonder if this will be like the car industry consolidation we have seen in recent years?
The consumer generally doesn't need 4 different variations and sub variations of the same thing (8800,9800,240) or (gm, Saturn, Chevy, Cadillac) and all its under and overclocked brothers and step sisters. It causes confusion (not to hardocp'ers) to most consumers to the point they don't even know what the hell they are buying half the time. It also adds more inventory and choices than there are consumers. Being stuck with old inventory and managing the costs of holding old and new inventory and RMA's has been a big problem for AIBs. Consolidation of sku's and vendors, even though it sucks for people we all like in those AIB companies, maybe is a good deal in long run.
Companies need to make money, and I know that the margins are not as good as people think for this business. So if the product lines can be made simpler figure out for joe average, yet still be able to be tweaked by guys like us, and profit can be made by Nvidia, then maybe you have a company that can stick around and keep AMD on its toes.
So the cool thing is I went to BestBuy.ca to see if they were selling NVidia cards. Nope.
But look what they are selling? ATI cards.
I checked the US site, and it does not look like they sell any there.
So, is ATI f*$#ing their AIBs too?
Why do I get the sense that all this is a shell game, and means dick.
For all I care, maybe these are EVGA cards that have a NVIDIA sticker on them for marketing reasons.
Maybe NVIDIA is getting ready to be put on the sell block to Intel.
Maybe NVIDIA is going to buy [H]ardocp and this is all a trick to confuse us. This might be cheaper way to #1 than waisting all those evga bucks ;-)
My guess, is that NVIDIA is trying to get more consumer brand awareness.
I used to work for IBM, they had like 7 routes to market.
This is complex stuff, and can be combination of corporate strategy, insider fighting, power struggles. Basically your guess is as good as mine.
EDIT: When I say "your" guess, that does not include Kyle. His guess I am sure is better than my guess
Sounds like Nvidia screwing over it's partners to me. By directly selling it's cards,it's taking business away from them. Guess loyalty takes a back seat to greed with them,which doesn't surprise me a bit. If I were a Nvidia only seller like EVGA,I'd be on the phone with AMD right now. Look what happened to BFG,they should have jumped the Nvidia ship long ago.
Another reason for Nvidia to do this, they may fear the end of the graphics card market (the market will eventually all but die within the next few years). .