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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Final Specs & Pricing Revealed
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Riddleofsteel
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Wonder what kind of PSU you'd need for one or two.
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lulz, totally wrong thread.
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people compared the 4870x2 to the 5870 as well. what kind of double standard are you talking about. two powerful gpu's of the previous generation deliver similar performance to a single powerful gpu of the new generation. as gamers, isn't that everything we hope for? and of course comparing the 5970 to the gtx480 is ridiculously skewed, since the two gpu's on the 5970 are of the current generation and close to the performance of the gtx480 to begin with. i don't understand why users develop such enormous chips on their respective shoulders over video cards. i feel i can safely say i've spent more money on r800 based products than most of the readers on these forums, and i'm consistently amazed by all the half-truths being flung around.
These new nvidia cards need to be 20% faster than their ati counterparts if you take into effect their price points and their heat and power specs. Anything less on the performance = FAIL and only an imbecile would buy them. Just my 2c on the current speculation.
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One of the Nvidia Reps finally admitted that they're six months late with Fermi. VR Zone.
That's not what they were saying in December and January. Nvidia is responsible for a lot of the FUD out there also.
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Maybe you should read my original post:
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1035481854&postcount=501
I was just saying that it is possible to draw more power from the connector and the consequence that would happen if too much power is drawn from the connector.
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^ i dunno man u'd prolly smoke the PSU long before you killed the wiring......
Why ? If rumored prices are correct it goes like this
5870 $400
480 $500
5970 $600
Power wise the 480 will use as much as the 5970.
If the 5970 gets u much more performance then why not compare ?
I mean where is the cut off and why is it valid. If the 480 is $100 more than the 5870 then should they not be compared ?
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Each positive voltage wire is capable of providing 7A at most (while still being somewhat safe). So that means a six pin (3+/3-), can provide 21A, so 21*12 = 252W for one 6 pin connector. There will be no issues about potential fire hazards unless your PSU is made by some substandard company such as sparkle, and their name even hints the possibility of electrical hazards. Also...what is with people these days. Who cares what card is better, it's a freaking video card. If it was priced right and had decent performance I'd buy one. As it is I'll wait and see what happens. But life goes on, and a video card isn't going to stop that.
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its not that the gtx480 and 5970 shouldn't be compared at all, but we more or less already know the conclusion of that comparison, so it makes it all academic. there is nothing to be learned from that test. is the 5970 more powerful than the gtx480? yes. is the 5970 more expensiove than the gtx480? yes. and where in hell are you going to find a 5970 for $600? i paid a little more than that at launch. and the prices now are no where near launch prices. the comparison between the gtx 480 and the 5870 is much more intriguing. is the gtx480 more expensive than the 5870? yes. is the gtx480 more powerful than the 5870? it will be interesting to find out won't it? and if there is a performance difference, will it be worth the difference in price?
pfft and how about this english isn't my mother language ? of course you couldn't think about it cause your fanboyish arrogant mind doesn't allow you
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Anyone who thinks this version of Fermi is a failure needs to take a step back and look at things objectively, things like "Wait until trustworthy reviews of actual products."
Great post renny.
It's the extreme delay in getting the card out that's the worrying thing. Fermi was supposed to be here before Christmas. Christmas and early in the New Year is generally when people splash out on their computer parts. It will have to be a very good card to make people go out and purchase now.
Maybe Nvidia can afford that and it's no big deal, maybe they will make that up in the product refresh/upgrade later in the year.
Or hell, maybe it's all just BS and the cards will be amazing.
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They better serve cold beer for the price and power consumption!
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So pull 75.1W from a 6-pin connector and your system goes up in flames? Methinks not. Again, sensationalize much?
Do you know that power is proportional to the square of current?
Do you know that a chip will have a higher leakage at a higher clock speed?
Do you know that if you increase the voltage, the power is proportional to the square of the voltage?
The number of connector or conductor doesn't mean anything, the most important thing is the thickness or the cross section of the wire. You can also use only one connector or conductor as long as your cross section is enough for the high current.
Do you know that twinkle twinkle, little star, power equals I squared R?
Do you know that tomorrow is Monday?
What is this, some kind of Chewbacca Defense tactic?
Reviews are supposed to show you the best cards for your money.
The 5970 will get closer to its msrp as supplys increase.
If your willing to spend $100 more for a gtx 480 over a 5870 then logic says that you will spend $100 more for the 5970 if performance is even greater.
I want to know the best bang for my buck. The 5970 may be that. Tho I think i'd buy two 5850 over any of the 300 watt cards as the two 5850s will draw the same power but spread the heat and cooling over two cards and heatsink / fans
reviews have been and always will be primarily a metric of raw gaming performance. any rumination over price versus performance is left to the discretion of the author and the readers interpreting the article. price or power consumption does no way negate card A out performing card B in games X, Y, and Z. additionally, not everyone will opt for a multi gpu solution. as there are enough people on this forum who've expressed misgivings about the benefits of multi gpu regardless of the price. i am not one of those people. in my gaming experience, i find the benefits of multi gpu out weigh the pitfalls.
going back to a point i made earlier on this thread; many comentators complained about the power draw of the 2900xt, but it really didn't seem to diminish the demand for those cards. i recall the 2900xt selling fairly well in the days and weeks following the reviews.
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I still want a 5970 - but if a GTX 480 becomes available to me, and I can't get my hands on a 5970, then I'll do that.
My GTX 275 is still smoking most games - but every now and then it struggles, just a little bit. It's rare when it happens, and when it does happen it's a minor problem that's usually solved by lowering a few settings (such as ambient occlusion).
Still, I'd like to step it up a notch.
The only thing that will irritate me is if I can't get my hands on either card. And by the way, this is a bit off topic, but did you guys know that Newegg won't allow you to buy two 5870's? I was aware that you couldn't buy two 5970's, but I was surprised to discover that I couldn't put two 5870's into my cart. Kind of weird if you ask me.
My GTX 275 is still smoking most games - but every now and then it struggles, just a little bit. It's rare when it happens, and when it does happen it's a minor problem that's usually solved by lowering a few settings (such as ambient occlusion).
Still, I'd like to step it up a notch.
The only thing that will irritate me is if I can't get my hands on either card. And by the way, this is a bit off topic, but did you guys know that Newegg won't allow you to buy two 5870's? I was aware that you couldn't buy two 5970's, but I was surprised to discover that I couldn't put two 5870's into my cart. Kind of weird if you ask me.
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how is this version of fermi a success again?
7+ months late? check
no appreciable performance gain over ATi offerings? check
definately going to be limited availability (to quote nvidia mass availablity starting on the 6th of next month) check.
massive power draw compared to competition? check
again where is the success in this part?
ATI fanboi? check
Seriously, do you guys all meet up somewhere and agree to exaggerate Fermi's lateness by a couple months? It's 6 months behind ATI, not 7+. And it's not necessarily "late" because you don't know when it was originally scheduled to be released.
i dont know most of that is true the GF100 is underwhelming imo
and i been using nVidia since the 6800GT unbroken 6800GT, 7800GT, 8800GTS, GTX260 and im ready to jump ship to ATi
even BFG is rumored be going to the red team
even the nv "fanboys" will admit that the FX line was bad
no point in sticking to one or the other get what is the best value right now thats ATi
if benchmarks for the real card say some thing else then so be it but from whats been leaked its not looking good
6 months right now and about to be 7 next month so not far off
It's really revealing when fanboys treat dates as they treat performance ratios.
They can get by with stating a 25% lead instead of 15%. It's always up for discussion and you can always find a reviewsite to back up your claim.
With dates such positioning fails so miserably
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please tell me where I have stated something factually inaccurate...... it was supposed to be here with Win 7 and then Christmass and then New Years and you have Nvidia stating that it will be next month before we have any wide spread availablity (if that is to be believed) Windows 7 officially launched Oct 22 2009
legit has nVidia CEO sowing off Fermi on Spet 30th 2009
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1100/1/
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Looks like the TDP won't be that high(250 watts), which should provide for some overclocking head room with the card being able to draw 300W.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18170/34/
It also looks like we have some of the first benchmarks: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23032, but still can't be 100% certain these are legit or not completely cherry picked, but if they are legit Fermi might be pretty nice.
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18170/34/
It also looks like we have some of the first benchmarks: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23032, but still can't be 100% certain these are legit or not completely cherry picked, but if they are legit Fermi might be pretty nice.
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lol, sorry this post made me laugh. Why is somebody an ATI fanboi when they point out the facts?? It's late by Nvidia's own product cycles and it's late because it's missed two of the best times of the year for consumer spending. Ooopss, nearly forgot, it's late because it missed the release of windows 7 as well.
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Like THAT hasn't been said "like 50 times in the last decade".
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75.1W is the limit?
According to PCI-E specifications, the limits are 75W from the slot, 75W from each 6-pin connector, and 150W from each 8-pin connector. So a total of 300W for a video card with a 6-pin and an 8-pin connector.
My argument is that the PCI-E specification is relatively arbitrary. Power supplies and their cables and connectors are capable of sending well over 300W to a card safely.
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Regardless of the heat, power draw, lateness, and you could tell me 100 other issues with fermi, I'm still going to grab one the second I see them in my store. I think ATI makes awesome hardware, but when it comes down to it, I want the card that plays my games with the least amount of trouble... and in my experience, that's always been with NV.
I've been playing the crap out of gta iv for the last 2 years (yes I think it's that good ) and I've run it on ati & nv cards. With ati (yes I've tried a few, x1900, 3870, 5770) the shadows are f%ck'd up, in a few places entire city blocks are missing and replaced with a black ground, and I get nice lighting issues.
Running it on NV hardware, I've never had a problem with the game... 8800GTX, 9600gt, gtx280... never a problem.
And FYI, I don't just limit my bias to one game, there are multiple other games I can say the same thing for. Sure there are some games I get issues using NV cards... but never to the amount I get using ATI...
If it was possible in this universe lol, I wouldn't mind using ati hardware with nv drivers.
I've been playing the crap out of gta iv for the last 2 years (yes I think it's that good
) and I've run it on ati & nv cards. With ati (yes I've tried a few, x1900, 3870, 5770) the shadows are f%ck'd up, in a few places entire city blocks are missing and replaced with a black ground, and I get nice lighting issues.Running it on NV hardware, I've never had a problem with the game... 8800GTX, 9600gt, gtx280... never a problem.
And FYI, I don't just limit my bias to one game, there are multiple other games I can say the same thing for. Sure there are some games I get issues using NV cards... but never to the amount I get using ATI...
If it was possible in this universe lol, I wouldn't mind using ati hardware with nv drivers.
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That is not the limit, that is the specification of the connector.
if it is not the limit, then why did ati keep the 5970 under 300W?
ATi is going to be "late" on the 26th of this month
- Nvidia has their Next Gen architecture in place for 2010-2011
ATi is now lagging
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It's funny how you mention objectivity and then call a product that has not been released or reviewed a "definite failure".
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I stated the obvious facts as to why it is a failure, unfortunately you can't understand that and are confused.
... and yet Fermi is not a failure in any way shape or form
Nvidia has now leapfrogged ahead of ATi; we have to wait until Northern Islands to see what AMD Next Gen graphics architecture looks like. In the meantime, we will probably see the current ATi product high end refresh .
250W TDP is still a power hog but that's a lot better than the previously floated 295W. But it is also definitely confirmed that the GTX 480 only has 480 SP instead of 512. Oh well you win some, you lose some. Now let's see those benches!