Lucid Hydra 200 - It's almost here!!!

Sabrewulf... said:
Direct from Lucidlogix if interested.

http://www.lucidlogix.com/download/PR_Lucid%20Intel%20IDF-220909.pdf

http://www.lucidlogix.com/download/PR_Hydra%20200%20Press%20Release-220909.pdf

http://www.lucidlogix.com/download/PR_MSI%20and%20LucidLogix%20Create%20BigBang%20Motherboard-220909.pdf
Click to expand...

Interested in what? Press releases that spout how great it is going to be?

For immediate release:
Acme will be offering thier new "really REALLY fast GPU". In our in house test we are seing never before seen graphics from crysis.
For immediate release
Acme internet co will be offereing thier new internet service with extra fast speeds. We're not going to tell you how fast we're actually going to go, we aren't even going to tell you how fast we are going to lie to and you'll never see, we're just going to say SUPER FAST!
 
butterfliesrpretty said:
could you imagine the backlash if it comes out and is awesome then nvidia releases a new driver shortly after specifically to break it. I know I would think twice about buying another product from them. This is coming from someone who has bought nothing but Nvidia for the last 4 years.
Click to expand...

You used to be able to have an nvidia card to do just PhysX, and still use an ATI for the graphics until the last driver update. Now the driver looks, sees you are using ATI, and disables PhysX support even though you have an nvidia card in it that can obviously do PhysX just fine. (since it was doing it before the driver update)

Nvidia does what they want - and screw what might benefit customers or bring you increased performance.
 
Ualdayan said:
You used to be able to have an nvidia card to do just PhysX, and still use an ATI for the graphics until the last driver update. Now the driver looks, sees you are using ATI, and disables PhysX support even though you have an nvidia card in it that can obviously do PhysX just fine. (since it was doing it before the driver update)

Nvidia does what they want - and screw what might benefit customers or bring you increased performance.
Click to expand...

Physx isn't used by many and offers very little improvement to games that offer support for it. If this does what is promised it's going to get a ton of attention, if Nvidia wants to be the loan gun and purposely make it not work with their cards people will be pissed.

Like I said previously I would straight up stop buying from them if they pulled this shit.
 
Ualdayan said:
Not surprised Nvidia would tell you that - the moment I heard of something increasing videocard performance I thought "Boy, nvidia sure won't like it and will have no qualms about trying to break it because they didn't invent it; at least ATI might allow it."
Click to expand...

Yeah, don't forget the whole SLI bullshit Nvidia pulled with the NF200 chip and then the "SLI license". It's apparently not enough for someone to just buy 2 Nvidia graphics cards.

Of COURSE they aren't going to be happy if there's some multi-GPU solution that end-users don't have to pay some bullshit royalty fee to Nvidia for.
 
smartpatrol said:
Yeah, don't forget the whole SLI bullshit Nvidia pulled with the NF200 chip and then the "SLI license". It's apparently not enough for someone to just buy 2 Nvidia graphics cards.

Of COURSE they aren't going to be happy if there's some multi-GPU solution that end-users don't have to pay some bullshit royalty fee to Nvidia for.
Click to expand...

Even with Lucid, MSI is actually still paying Nvidia for the right to have SLI:

"SANTA CLARA, CA—AUGUST 10, 2009—NVIDIA Corporation today announced that Intel Corporation, and the world’s other leading motherboard manufacturers, including ASUS, EVGA, Gigabyte, and MSI, have all licensed NVIDIA® SLI® technology for inclusion on their Intel® P55 Express Chipset-based motherboards designed for the upcoming Intel® Core™ i7 and i5 processor in the LGA1156 socket."

This is about you being able to do something like buy a GT300, leaving your 285 in your system too, and have the Lucid chipset load balance between the two of those using the hardware you already bought to its fullest. Rather than having nVidia's SLI approach use more basic techniques (that don't require additional hardware on the motherboard like Lucid) that say if you want to use SLI you're just going to have to chuck that 285 and buy 2 GT300's - and at the same time having less performance because their SLI doesn't scale as well as Lucid so you'll need to upgrade sooner too.
 
guess we should all applaud Lucid's innovation, if they pull off the holy grail of 100% scaling then we all would intrested, i wouldn't mind keeping my 2 4870's and add a 5870 and scale 100%. Wether this works or not is the question, watched tech demo and still not 100% convinced but seeing it in final silicon on an MSI board was suprising to say the least.
 
vengence said:
Interested in what? Press releases that spout how great it is going to be?

For immediate release:
Acme will be offering thier new "really REALLY fast GPU". In our in house test we are seing never before seen graphics from crysis.
For immediate release
Acme internet co will be offereing thier new internet service with extra fast speeds. We're not going to tell you how fast we're actually going to go, we aren't even going to tell you how fast we are going to lie to and you'll never see, we're just going to say SUPER FAST!
Click to expand...

Damn, your really a nice fucking guy, hell, I really like you, you can come over to my house and fuck my sister.
 
Ualdayan said:
Even with Lucid, MSI is actually still paying Nvidia for the right to have SLI:

"SANTA CLARA, CA—AUGUST 10, 2009—NVIDIA Corporation today announced that Intel Corporation, and the world’s other leading motherboard manufacturers, including ASUS, EVGA, Gigabyte, and MSI, have all licensed NVIDIA® SLI® technology for inclusion on their Intel® P55 Express Chipset-based motherboards designed for the upcoming Intel® Core™ i7 and i5 processor in the LGA1156 socket."
Click to expand...

That's more as a backup, should NV really block lucid you use SLI.
 
butterfliesrpretty said:
could you imagine the backlash if it comes out and is awesome then nvidia releases a new driver shortly after specifically to break it. I know I would think twice about buying another product from them. This is coming from someone who has bought nothing but Nvidia for the last 4 years.
Click to expand...

don't be surprised if ati and nvidia both kill this off in driver updates. presuming hydra works for more than a handful of games, it will create a support nightmare for both companies. you can also be damn certain neither company will fix shit that goes wrong when there card fails to correctly render parts of a scene. also a lot of effects like aa are optimized for full screen use and have different rendering methods, which will break functional aa where edges meet or just look like shit.

expect this to garner some initial attention and then quickly falter.
Posted via [H] Mobile Device
 
"Hydra is here. After four years of development, LucidLogix is shipping products to leading motherboard vendors and we already have a schedule for reviewing Hydra parts coming from the several top tier vendors."

"With MSI Big Bang motherboard debuting on October 29, 2009 - a new era will begin in the multi-GPU field.
There is no doubt in our minds that the shift in graphics already happened and it is quite odd to see that AMD and nVidia kept on talking and pushing the AFR modes instead of creating a computational scaling path. If Lucid Hydra technology proves to be efficient, both companies will have no choice but to abandon their own "primitive" ways and move forward with the technology."

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/9/25/interview-why-is-lucid-hydra-200-better-than-crossfire2c-sli.aspx

Check out the video from my post above, it's tolerable I guess.
 
Last edited:
dajet24 said:
I dont know i always have a spare card hanging around from my last upgrade would be nice to make it useful would make me buy motherboards with multiple x16 x8 ports all the time. I would think Hard would welcome this type of thing. Nvidia choosing to break a new possibly better technology instead of workign with it is just well unfortunately typical.

If nvidia said forget it and it only worked with AMD cards all the better for AMD imo people buying these shiny new 5870's could use there old 4870's as 2nd cards.
Click to expand...

I think Dajet is right on here. Nvidia is already hard at work alienating gamers with there physx driver gimp-job...it could be a boon for AMD here if they take the magnanimous route...yes yes...we need to see if this thing even works, but still...I sense much hate in the force with this thread. You guys all need a glass of wine and a good BJ. Shheeez.
 
Ualdayan said:
Even with Lucid, MSI is actually still paying Nvidia for the right to have SLI:

"SANTA CLARA, CA—AUGUST 10, 2009—NVIDIA Corporation today announced that Intel Corporation, and the world’s other leading motherboard manufacturers, including ASUS, EVGA, Gigabyte, and MSI, have all licensed NVIDIA® SLI® technology for inclusion on their Intel® P55 Express Chipset-based motherboards designed for the upcoming Intel® Core™ i7 and i5 processor in the LGA1156 socket."

This is about you being able to do something like buy a GT300, leaving your 285 in your system too, and have the Lucid chipset load balance between the two of those using the hardware you already bought to its fullest. Rather than having nVidia's SLI approach use more basic techniques (that don't require additional hardware on the motherboard like Lucid) that say if you want to use SLI you're just going to have to chuck that 285 and buy 2 GT300's - and at the same time having less performance because their SLI doesn't scale as well as Lucid so you'll need to upgrade sooner too.
Click to expand...

Like I said before, I'll believe it when I see it. And if Hydra really scales better than SLI, then what would be the point of a motherboard manufacturer paying for "SLI certification" in addition to the Lucid chip?

It seems pretty obvious why Nvidia would want to block it. Regardless of how well it works, it stands to lose Nvidia money and possibly hurt their reputation.
 
dajet24 said:
I dont know i always have a spare card hanging around from my last upgrade would be nice to make it useful would make me buy motherboards with multiple x16 x8 ports all the time. I would think Hard would welcome this type of thing. Nvidia choosing to break a new possibly better technology instead of workign with it is just well unfortunately typical.

If nvidia said forget it and it only worked with AMD cards all the better for AMD imo people buying these shiny new 5870's could use there old 4870's as 2nd cards.
Click to expand...

This is pretty much how I feel about it. I've got a 5870 on order, a 4890 hanging around doing nothing, would be nice to plug it in and get the added performance.

I'm glad I waited to jump on P55/X58........can't wait to see what this thing can do.
 
smartpatrol said:
It seems pretty obvious why Nvidia would want to block it. Regardless of how well it works, it stands to lose Nvidia money and possibly hurt their reputation.
Click to expand...
Based on their past actions its reasonable to say that Nvidia would block it by any means necessary. Or more likely sabotage it somehow so it gives artificially worse performance than SLI.
 
cybereality said:
Based on their past actions its reasonable to say that Nvidia would block it by any means necessary. Or more likely sabotage it somehow so it gives artificially worse performance than SLI.
Click to expand...

I could see this working in ati's favor if nvidia does block this. If this boast scaling big time, ati could gain a lot of performance on crossfire.
 
smartpatrol said:
Like I said before, I'll believe it when I see it. And if Hydra really scales better than SLI, then what would be the point of a motherboard manufacturer paying for "SLI certification" in addition to the Lucid chip?

It seems pretty obvious why Nvidia would want to block it. Regardless of how well it works, it stands to lose Nvidia money and possibly hurt their reputation.
Click to expand...

Perhaps this is Intel's plan all along...I would love to see Nvidia get bitch slapped at this point...

Am I anti business? Am I a big bad commie?...I would like to believe that ultimately success for a business is largely, albeit not completely, due to customer satisfaction and service. (Anybody less than 50 yrs old ever here, "The customer is always right."?) Conniving is a more pop business culture that yields short term gains at the expense of long....Whatever Nvidia!
 
Yep, tho the intel mobo's tend to fail at oc'ing ability compared to the other big name boards. I would look to see Nvidia not blocking this tech because they realize just as we have the ramifications of blocking it. They can try and be greedy but in the long run it will F them.
 
I think it's wishful thinking to think this will fix all the issues or invonveniences that SLI/CF brings to the table. This is bound to come with it's own set of problems. I highly doubt it will just "work" all the time on every game on any video card.

It's a cool concept and has potential if it gets support, but that's a big "IF" I certainly won't make it a point to buy a Lucid capable board unless it proves itself first. This will probably be like Ageia Physx, a cool concept that never got off the ground until a big company bought it out.
 
Sherloc said:
Yep, tho the intel mobo's tend to fail at oc'ing ability compared to the other big name boards. I would look to see Nvidia not blocking this tech because they realize just as we have the ramifications of blocking it. They can try and be greedy but in the long run it will F them.
Click to expand...

why the heck does everyone think nvidia is the devil and eats babies, while ati is your best friend and would bake you a cake if you wanted one? if (huge if) this works ati is just as likely to block this as nvidia is.
Posted via [H] Mobile Device
 
RamonGTP said:
I think it's wishful thinking to think this will fix all the issues or invonveniences that SLI/CF brings to the table. This is bound to come with it's own set of problems. I highly doubt it will just "work" all the time on every game on any video card.

It's a cool concept and has potential if it gets support, but that's a big "IF" I certainly won't make it a point to buy a Lucid capable board unless it proves itself first. This will probably be like Ageia Physx, a cool concept that never got off the ground until a big company bought it out.
Click to expand...

the thing is this is being backed by Intel, and is in production. I would think like this if it was made by some company I've never heard of with no real support, but that's not the case.
 
ocellaris said:
why the heck does everyone think nvidia is the devil and eats babies, while ati is your best friend and would bake you a cake if you wanted one? if (huge if) this works ati is just as likely to block this as nvidia is.
Posted via [H] Mobile Device
Click to expand...

Because the editor in chief himself suggested that Nvidia might block this technology...he likely has more inside information and insight than I. Sure AMD may do the same, but that type of move has not yet been a pattern for them, I smell more competition for Nvidia..not that they wont rise to the occasion...I hope they do, but the real issue here is that Intel may alter the tech so it only works with Intel GPU's and screw us, Nvidia, and AMD...(Net worth Nvidia @ 6 bil, AMD @ 8 bil, Intel @ 167 billion)...oh wait...I have to get my door, It's the cake lady from AMD here with my pineapple upside down cake.

TTFN (skip off to the door)

(Disclamer: Company net worth taken from random unverified internet sources. No CEO's harmed.)
 
Last edited:
Kowan said:
Intel's plan is a Intel MB/CPU/SSD/Video card. Then they only need to get a memory company and PSU for a total Intel system...
Click to expand...

DVD-RW / Case

I actually want to do something like that.
 
I'm skeptical but yet slightly hopeful Lucid can pull this off. Could you imagine true 80-90% scaling across multiple GPUs? That would be awesome especially if it's at the hardware level, no more craptastic software solutions. Look at my sig, how could I not want this to come to pass?

As far as Nvidia or AMD programming Hydra into oblivion, you need to step back and look at the big picture. If Intel has a stake in Lucid (which would not surprise me with Larrabee on the horizon) coding Hydra into oblivion would be akin to poking the 800lb gorilla of the computing world with a sharp stick. AMD would be in a better position to contend with this, but not Nvidia. Remember, coding into oblivion is a two way street...

Realistically, however, I'll await real-world tests/benchmarks to make a better informed opinion...
 
ocellaris said:
why the heck does everyone think nvidia is the devil and eats babies, while ati is your best friend and would bake you a cake if you wanted one?
Click to expand...
AMD is the so-called 'underdog'. People always root for the underdog.

Of course, 'underdog' in this context really means 'failing company', but that's a mere technicality ;)
 
phide said:
AMD is the so-called 'underdog'. People always root for the underdog.

Of course, 'underdog' in this context really means 'failing company', but that's a mere technicality ;)
Click to expand...

you just made my day, thanks.
 
I can't wait for this chipset to go into mass production. I can add a 5870 or 5870x2 with my crossfired 4890s. I think it going to be a hit.
 
9/30/09 - A bit more in-depth "Lucid HYDRA 200 Details With AMD, Lucid & NVIDIA" - Some questions answered, some more created...

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1093/1/ - A pretty good read, so read it before commenting.


Nvidia's Ken Brown (PR Manager for Platform Products [ION and SLI]) and Tom Peterson (Director of Technical Marketing)

When told "...Some journalists have gone as far as saying that this (the Lucid Hydra 200) is the death of SLI. Does NVIDIA have any concerns with this new technology or is SLI safe in the long run?"

Their reply: "...We have not tested Hydra yet and can’t comment on its technical merits. If it substantially improves gaming for consumers then we all win."


AMD/ATI's Godfrey Cheng (Director of Technical Marketing for graphics products), Chris Hook (AMD Global Communications Director), and Jay Marsden (Public Relations Manager)

When told the same thing concerning Crossfire, replied: "...If there are technologies that exist that would help us sell more GPUs outside of CrossfireX, we will warmly embrace it."


Hmmm...
 
Last edited:
If I had money I think I might put my stockbroker hat on. If Lucid's product works, their stock will skyrocket in price.

I remember telling my grandpa to invest in nVidia back before the first nForce board came out (2000?). He refused. :rolleyes:
 
That latest article is a good read. If it turns into a huge hit i bet someone will buy them out. ;)
 
If this works like it claims, I would like to have it on my motherboard. Is there any chance we would see this on an AMD motherboard?

Even if it doesn't work, it is always nice to see companies trying to come up with something new.
 
jamesrb said:
If this works like it claims, I would like to have it on my motherboard. Is there any chance we would see this on an AMD motherboard?

Even if it doesn't work, it is always nice to see companies trying to come up with something new.
Click to expand...


"Lucid said other motherboard manufacturers are interested and that AMD platforms could be possible if things take off."

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1093/3/ - Under "Motherboard Availability"
 
I'm probably gonna be getting the Big Bang tho i'ma wait and see the [H] review first. Kyle, Dan i hope you guys get this review out like release day : D.
 
smartpatrol said:
That is practically the recipe for disappointment (See also: Bitboys and Transmeta, off the top of my head). Of course Hydra is different in that it's not just vaporware, but I'm waiting to see how it actually works before I'll allow myself to get excited.
Click to expand...



bitboys.

OY!!!!!!!!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top