Dell U2410

HP 2475 is down to £400, kinda hard to justify another £200 for the dell, i could purchase a 2474 and a 2209WA for the same price as the U2410.


Need some reviews !

I think the 12Bit LUT is worth the difference... and if it comes more consistent than the 2475 than... it gets my money! :D
 
Originally Posted by callius
I spoke to sales person directly to get the quote.

sorry relplying to someone earlier who asked how i got a price/date for the monitor in the UK, im guessing it will be on there site soon. Shame there is 10% code for business systems at the moment but doesnt cover monitors :(
 
Has anyone gotten a real price on the U2410 yet here in the USA?
 
I've had alot of TN panels and now I have the Dell 2209WA. And the only thing that the dell has over the TN panels I had is the view angles. But if I view the monitor head on like 99.9% of people do :) I notice no difference in say my old LG 22 and the Dell. Pretty much identical. Blacks or the say, backlight is the same colors everything looks the same just the view angles. And to me to pay $300-400 more just so I can say "Well when I stand up and look at my monitor with my head down or from side to side the angles look much better" is paying way way to much IMO. I'd rather spend $200 on a 24 inch monitor and be pleased with it then spend $600-700 saying "My view angles are better than yours" I was actually going to get the U2410 until I found out how much it was going to be. I'd spend no more than say $400 on it, but $500-600 no way.

If you are satisfied with TNs stay away from PVA/IPS for god sake. Because if you see one of them you will think that "what the hell i was using". Once u see the quality u wont be able to go back.
 
Just sent an email to him :) And I have seen both IPS and TN panels and aside from the view angles being much better on the IPS panel I notice no other difference between the two..
 
Is there still hope for a 2410WFP/WA that is srgb or is this it [for my hopes and dreams]? Wide gamut is a real disappointment. :(
 
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If you are satisfied with TNs stay away from PVA/IPS for god sake. Because if you see one of them you will think that "what the hell i was using". Once u see the quality u wont be able to go back.
Dude, read his post. He already has an 2209WA.

For many uses, TN and IPS are not really that different. For two years I thought my home LCD was comparable to my work LCD, and it was only until I started reading this forum that I realized one was TN and the other was S-IPS.
 
Many many (probably most) computer users can't really tell the difference between TN and IPS, which is fine. Then save your money and pick up the TN if it all looks the same. Really, if your eyes are not that sensitive to color changes and shifts then it's not that big a deal and probably over hyped. I'd say it's especially common at regular businesses where cost is one of the most important considerations. Microsoft Word doesn't really care about color and then the eye gets used to TN after a while and the employers save the money.

However, some people (probably a higher percentage on this forum than in the general population) can tell the difference between TN and IPS from a quick glance. They may do color work or photo editing or some application where the exact color matters. It may be that the screen's color uniformity doesn't look right because the angle of viewing is different enough from slight movements of the head or even from straight on. These types of people will probably want to spend more on a higher quality panel.

Different people are going to have different wants/needs. That's probably why there are so many different types and price ranges, after all.

Back on topic, I'm guessing the US price will start in the 600-700 range and be reduced in price through coupons and such, similar to how the 24xxWFP monitors rolled out. But no one really knows for now until they actually roll it out.

I had higher hopes for one of these but the wide gamut also disappoints me greatly since I've been working with sRGB for many many years. Wide gamut isn't the end of the world for many. One of my friends has one and he can't really tell the difference so you may want to check out some wide gamut monitors at a local Best Buy or whatever to see if it's a big deal for your personal tastes.
 
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Is there still hope for a 2410WFP/WA that is srgb or is this it [for my hopes and dreams]? Wide gamut is a real disappointment. :(
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1256560&p=7#r124

I walked through the Menu Preconfigured options Game, Warm, Cool, Adobe RGB, SRGB, Multimedia etc and found they have a Custom Colour option. Custom colour looks pretty good basically it's 6 Axis controls for Hue, Saturation and Gain. OSD is really easy to use with the capacitive touch buttons.

That, plus the calibration sheet, makes me think that while this isn't a sRGB monitor, it can damn well be made to behave like one.
 
Many many (probably most) computer users can't really tell the difference between TN and IPS, which is fine. Then save your money and pick up the TN if it all looks the same. Really, if your eyes are not that sensitive to color changes and shifts then it's not that big a deal and probably over hyped. I'd say it's especially common at regular businesses where cost is one of the most important considerations. Microsoft Word doesn't really care about color and then the eye gets used to TN after a while and the employers save the money.

However, some people (probably a higher percentage on this forum than in the general population) can tell the difference between TN and IPS from a quick glance. They may do color work or photo editing or some application where the exact color matters. It may be that the screen's color uniformity doesn't look right because the angle of viewing is different enough from slight movements of the head or even from straight on. These types of people will probably want to spend more on a higher quality panel.

Different people are going to have different wants/needs. That's probably why there are so many different types and price ranges, after all.

Back on topic, I'm guessing the US price will start in the 600-700 range and be reduced in price through coupons and such, similar to how the 24xxWFP monitors rolled out. But no one really knows for now until they actually roll it out.

I had higher hopes for one of these but the wide gamut also disappoints me greatly since I've been working with sRGB for many many years. Wide gamut isn't the end of the world for many. One of my friends has one and he can't really tell the difference so you may want to check out some wide gamut monitors at a local Best Buy or whatever to see if it's a big deal for your personal tastes.

Yup, i understand ppl whoever do word processing and excel stuff do no notice the difference much. But i dont think that they are not watching a movie on the screen even. You will definitely see the difference of colors. I was moving from samsung my 226BW (which is a great TN panel) to Dell 2408wfp (which is a shit, because of backlight uniformity and pink tint. Actually the monitor is good but Dell QC is bad) and i have noticed that how much colors i was missing and the deep richness. Actually when i was using 2209wa in my university, i never heard about ips and pva. But i saw the difference clearly.

Anyway as long as somebody doesnt see the difference, as i mentioned thats a great thing. Coz he can save 2/3 of money or can by 3 TNs for the same price :cool:
 
Finally, Got 35% discount on my forth coming U2410, due to the problem i had with 2408wfp (3 defective monitors)
 
Well I have $400 saved for a new monitor. So its for sale pretty much all over the place now except the USA go figure....
 
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1256560&p=7#r124

I walked through the Menu Preconfigured options Game, Warm, Cool, Adobe RGB, SRGB, Multimedia etc and found they have a Custom Colour option. Custom colour looks pretty good basically it's 6 Axis controls for Hue, Saturation and Gain. OSD is really easy to use with the capacitive touch buttons.

That, plus the calibration sheet, makes me think that while this isn't a sRGB monitor, it can damn well be made to behave like one.
That is a very good point! Supporting saturation control means that, in addition to the three independent 1D RGB LUTs as found in other monitors, U2410 must also have a built-in 3D RGB linear transformation matrix, which is exactly what you need to do in-monitor gamut conversion.
 
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1256560&p=7#r124

I walked through the Menu Preconfigured options Game, Warm, Cool, Adobe RGB, SRGB, Multimedia etc and found they have a Custom Colour option. Custom colour looks pretty good basically it's 6 Axis controls for Hue, Saturation and Gain. OSD is really easy to use with the capacitive touch buttons.

That, plus the calibration sheet, makes me think that while this isn't a sRGB monitor, it can damn well be made to behave like one.

The calibration report looks very promising but I'll wait for someone here to confirm before I get my hopes up too high. Hopefully dell.ca will have this before the 21st so I can use that $50 cashback with paypal.
 
Supporting saturation control means that, in addition to the three independent 1D RGB LUTs as found in other monitors, U2410 must also have a built-in 3D RGB linear transformation matrix, which is exactly what you need to do in-monitor gamut conversion.

You've mentioned this before. I'd like to know more about it.
 
Available in the UK now, from Dell Business. £579 inc Vat and shipping expected delivery date 23rd of August.

Compared to the US its expensive but best price for the 2408wfp is arround 530 ish, so seems reasonable.
Ordering one tomorrow :)
2408 in the uk can be had for £430ish more like at OCUK...
 
I was going to buy a 2690WUXi2 but, due to the lack of support in Portugal by Nec ... i canceled my order at the last minute ...

Now, with these new Dell's ... i'm really looking forward to update my monitor :)

I have a NEC 2470Wnx and a Dell 2007 WFP ...i really like these monitors ( the 2007 is 3 years old ) ... but i have some issues with banding. With new Dell coming up with 12Bit LUT ... maybe it can be a wise decision over the poorly supported NEC monitors :|
 
You've mentioned this before. I'd like to know more about it.
Here is why I think that, if U2410 supports saturation control, it should also be able to perform gamut conversion. I may not get all the details right, so somebody more knowledgable please correct me.

The LUT mechanism in the video card and in many high-end monitors (such as the NEC 90 series) have three lookup tables that adjust the R, G, and B values independently. In other words, the conversion from (r, g, b) to (r1, g1, b1) look like this:

r1 = LUT_R(r)
g1 = LUT_G(g)
b1 = LUT_B(b)

LUT_R, LUT_G, LUT_B are arbitrary monotonic functions. These independent adjustments cannot support saturation adjustment because saturation measures how close the three colors are. See the Saturation section in this page for some examples:

http://www.latiumsoftware.com/en/articles/00015.php

Changing saturation requires changing R, G, and B values simultaneously. Reducing saturation brings the RGB values closer, and increasing saturation takes the RGB values further apart. You need transformation functions of the following form:

(r1, g1, b1) = F(r, g, b)

F need not be very ccomplex, a linear transformation (a few well structured additions and multiplications, easily represented by a matrix) is sufficient. This page has the details (lots of math, feel free to skip):

http://www.graficaobscura.com/matrix/

If U2410 supports saturation adjustments, it can perform a linear transformation to the RGB values of each pixel; these multipliers and adders logic are what cost $$ to implement. Now, the beauty of matrix representation is that by changing the values in the matrix, you can perform any linear transformation (luminance, hue rotation, etc.). Gamut conversion is also a linear transformation:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=912720

Once the linear transformation hardware is in the monitor, it is trivial to support gamut conversion by changing the matrix, so I think it is reasonable to expect that Dell has implemented this functionality.

If my reasoning is correct, then U2410 is a standard-gamut and a wide-gamut monitor in one: you can change the display color gamut by changing appropriate OSD functions. Those who want sRGB gets real sRGB, and those who want AdobeRGB gets AdobeRGB.
 
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Originally Posted by callius
Available in the UK now, from Dell Business. £579 inc Vat and shipping expected delivery date 23rd of August.

Compared to the US its expensive but best price for the 2408wfp is arround 530 ish, so seems reasonable.
Ordering one tomorrow

2408 in the uk can be had for £430ish more like at OCUK...




oops i was thinking about the 2709 , sorry
 
Nice $400 and we can't buy it :-( I tried to buy it but it wouldn't let me. What is really going to suck is, if you buy it in Asia and its $400 and here its like $800. But our luck that's what will happen...
 
So this is available in Asia, Australia. But no the EU or the US? Wtf Dell..

Also its retardedly cheap on the honk kong site right now with 50% discount

http://www1.ap.dell.com/hk/en/business/monitors/mon_30_lcd/cp.aspx?refid=mon_30_lcd&s=bsd&cs=hkbsd1

HK$3,369 / £269 / US$434

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Well, I just bought Dell UltraSharp U2410 in Norway, but we are not part of the EU. :)

Will update here, when i get it. Im extremely sensitive to input lag, so i will notice if it is substantial. I allready have a 22" Iiyama 0ms TN-monitor, so im not aiming for anything perfect. Iv'e owned both NEC 2690wxui and 2490wuxi, but the input lag was too big, so i didn't keep them. In terms of "too big" input lag, i mean that i could notice the lag just using the mouse at desktop. If the case is the same for Dell U2410, i will return it (great consumer laws in Norway ;)).

This PFD contains some information about the monitor; http://i.dell.com/images/emea/products/monitors/dell_monitor_u2410.pdf Bah, Dell's promise on factory calibration of less than 5 deltaE, isn't that much impressive.
EDIT; Didn't notice the small calibration report in the PDF. It actually shows a pretty stable greyscale and color accuracy of less that 4 deltaE. :)
 
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Well, I just bought Dell UltraSharp U2410 in Norway, but we are not part of the EU. :)

Will update here, when i get it. Im extremely sensitive to input lag, so i will notice if it is substantial. I allready have a 22" Iiyama 0ms TN-monitor, so im not aiming for anything perfect. Iv'e owned both NEC 2690wxui and 2490wuxi, but the input lag was too big, so i didn't keep them. In terms of "too big" input lag, i mean that i could notice the lag just using the mouse at desktop. If the case is the same for Dell U2410, i will return it (great consumer laws in Norway ;)).

This PFD contains some information about the monitor; http://i.dell.com/images/emea/products/monitors/dell_monitor_u2410.pdf Bah, Dell's promise on factory calibration of less than 5 deltaE, isn't that much impressive.
EDIT; Didn't notice the small calibration report in the PDF. It actually shows a pretty stable greyscale and color accuracy of less that 4 deltaE. :)

Sounds great.
Chances you could get some timer shots between the Iiyama and the Dell?

Input lag will be a deciding factor for me, when (if) it hits the UK market.
 
From the following Dell Hong Kong URL:

http://www1.ap.dell.com/hk/en/business/monitors/mon_30_lcd/cp.aspx?refid=mon_30_lcd&s=bsd&cs=hkbsd1

And note:

Dell U2410 UltraSharp U2410 24-inch Widescreen Monitor
Price from HK$6,848
Instant Savings HK$3,479
Online discounted price HK$3,369
Incl. delivery

Dell UltraSharp™ 2408WFP 24" Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor
Price from HK$6,848
Instant Savings HK$2,048
Online discounted price HK$4,800
Incl. delivery

Noting the above promotional discounted pricing for Hong Kong over the last weekend past, one quickly notices that the Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch widescreen monitor HAS THE SAME BASE PRICE as the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP 24-inch widescreen monitor, that is HK$6,848!!!

Further, NOTICE THE PROMOTIONAL DISCOUNT, HK$3,479 for the Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch widescreen monitor versus HK$2,048 for the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP 24-inch widescreen monitor; the Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch widescreen monitor HAS THE GREATER DISCOUNT!!!

BY AT TOTAL of HK$1,431, THE Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch widescreen monitor IS SELLING FOR LESS (CHEAPER)!!!

So will this sort of pricing occur in the US? And why do we had to be the “last” marketing region to order/price the Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch widescreen monitor, that now seems to be set for September 7th, 2009?

Maybe we all could communicate to Dell’s Chief Marketing Officer (CMO), Erin Nelson ([email protected]) and/or Dell’s President, Small and Medium Business, Stephen Felice ([email protected]) and ask these important questions.


Tim :cool:
 
From the following Dell Hong Kong URL:

http://www1.ap.dell.com/hk/en/business/monitors/mon_30_lcd/cp.aspx?refid=mon_30_lcd&s=bsd&cs=hkbsd1

And note:

Dell U2410 UltraSharp U2410 24-inch Widescreen Monitor
Price from HK$6,848
Instant Savings HK$3,479
Online discounted price HK$3,369
Incl. delivery

Dell UltraSharp™ 2408WFP 24" Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor
Price from HK$6,848
Instant Savings HK$2,048
Online discounted price HK$4,800
Incl. delivery

Noting the above promotional discounted pricing for Hong Kong over the last weekend past, one quickly notices that the Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch widescreen monitor HAS THE SAME BASE PRICE as the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP 24-inch widescreen monitor, that is HK$6,848!!!

Further, NOTICE THE PROMOTIONAL DISCOUNT, HK$3,479 for the Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch widescreen monitor versus HK$2,048 for the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP 24-inch widescreen monitor; the Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch widescreen monitor HAS THE GREATER DISCOUNT!!!

BY AT TOTAL of HK$1,431, THE Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch widescreen monitor IS SELLING FOR LESS (CHEAPER)!!!

So will this sort of pricing occur in the US? And why do we had to be the “last” marketing region to order/price the Dell UltraSharp U2410 24-inch widescreen monitor, that now seems to be set for September 7th, 2009?

Maybe we all could communicate to Dell’s Chief Marketing Officer (CMO), Erin Nelson ([email protected]) and/or Dell’s President, Small and Medium Business, Stephen Felice ([email protected]) and ask these important questions.


Tim :cool:
That's some fancy conjecture you have there tim but I don't think it bears much predictive value. Markets are different and sensitive, you can't accurately predict how things will be priced armed with such weak and volatile indicators.

and please be an adult from now on and use sensible fonts.This isn't the disney forum last time I checked.
 
Markets are different and sensitive, you can't accurately predict how things will be priced armed with such weak and volatile indicators.

With Dell it is difficult if not impossible to determine "book value", since there is not "distribution network", of wholesalers, retailers etc.

It just goes to prove that the U2410 has a book value about what the HP LP2475w is, that is somewhere about $ 350.00, and that in turn is in line with the 2408.

What I think this may say, is that Dell's projection for the Windows 7 roll-out, followed by the holiday period, there will be good sales for the period, but not spectacular or record setting, and toward "lower budget" offerings with less reliance on credit purchases

Tim.
 
That's some fancy conjecture you have there tim but I don't think it bears much predictive value. Markets are different and sensitive, you can't accurately predict how things will be priced armed with such weak and volatile indicators.

and please be an adult from now on and use sensible fonts.This isn't the disney forum last time I checked.

Wow, bitter much :rolleyes: someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today....

I for one love how you add color to your posts. Keep it up, good work tdoran1 :cool:
 
Wow, bitter much :rolleyes: someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today....

I for one love how you add color to your posts. Keep it up, good work tdoran1 :cool:

Thanks!

Formatting here is not easy, every forum out seems to have a "twist" on XML, HTML et al, and a "mass of rolling white text" just gives one a headache if it is read at all.

Using color to note "key points", that will be caught by most, and then if there interest, the lines in-between read.

Tim :D
 
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