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Buy AMD Now?

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Not sure where to post this being AMD now owns ATI. Posted in Video general as well.

http://www.monster-hardware.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=21

Part of the article:

"I bought AMD because I believe there is a good chance that AMD is going to go out of business in the next year if their sales don't increase and I couldn't stand on the sidelines and do nothing and watch that happen. So I guess you can consider my latest CPU (and I am sure I am going to catch heat for this) a pity purchase. I am under no illusion about its performance relative to a new Intel CPU. If you are one of the people that think AMD deserves to go out of business if they can't compete with Intel on performance, be careful what you wish for because if AMD goes out of business then Intel can go back to resting on their laurels, being non-responsive to the market, and not innovating. Know this: If AMD goes away so will your 300 usd I7 CPU."


He makes some good points. I remember when Intel said they could only push Socket 7 no further than 200MHz or something then AMD pushed it to 550MHz.

Remember back in the day when all there was was Power PC/IBM, Cyrix and Intel? Back then Intel controlled the rate at which new tech came out and charged a premium when it was basically a one horse show, then the Athlon came out and really messed up Intel.

After thinking about it I might my AMD again as well next upgrade. Though that might be a long while :)
 
I don't make "pity" purchases - not my business to bail failing companies (all of them) out.
 
Have fun paying $2000 for Intel's processors in the future. But really, it is your choice. Competition is good for the consumer.
 
We should all buy domestic and from the late Circuit City, and using our tax dollars to bail out failing companies is good too. Who said competition isn't good? But I sure as hell am not going to be responsible for "fixing" a failing company - that's their job, if they can't fix themselves, burn.
 
I have always bought AMD for myself. I wasn't looking for the performance leader. For me, they always had the best bang for the buck at the time of purchase.
 
lowteckh said:
We should all buy domestic and from the late Circuit City, and using our tax dollars to bail out failing companies is good too. Who said competition isn't good? But I sure as hell am not going to be responsible for "fixing" a failing company - that's their job, if they can't fix themselves, burn.
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truth!

end of thread!
 
xdivenx said:
Have fun paying $2000 for Intel's processors in the future. But really, it is your choice. Competition is good for the consumer.
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I call bullshit on this one. Intel wasn't selling their midrange processors for $2,000 a piece when AMD was making crap 486 clones and had pathetic offerings in the Pentium days. (I'm refering to when AMD wasn't competitive in virtually any way.) Give it a rest people. Intel isn't stupid. The market place can't bear $2,000 processors in the medium to low end markets. People have been able to walk into Best Buy and spend $400 on a computer for some time now. Some of those have Intel processors in them and that won't change even if AMD dies. Now, product cycles will no doubt be longer without real competition. So we won't be seeing innovation and new processor modles and lines coming out as often if Intel remains unchallenged. So yes, competition is good for the consumer but don't think that in the wake of AMD's possible (and maybe perhaps eventual) death, that Intel is going to jack prices into the stratosphere over it.
 
Yeah, but what they haven't done isn't what they won't do. I am not saying that tomorrow prices will shoot up, but what about 5 years down the line. Are you going to rely on VIA to compete with?
 
lowteckh said:
I don't make "pity" purchases - not my business to bail failing companies (all of them) out.
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i agree generally.. but in amd's case, they are a small company trying to compete in a monopolistic market. they have got plenty of pity purchases from me over the years already, and i'm still willing to buy amd even if intel is better right now (unless you find a crazy e5200 deal like in the hot forum)
 
xdivenx said:
Yeah, but what they haven't done isn't what they won't do. I am not saying that tomorrow prices will shoot up, but what about 5 years down the line. Are you going to rely on VIA to compete with?
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Again, the market can't bear an increase like that. It won't happen. We may see that on the high end, but then again once the product cycles slow down, such a purchase won't become obsolete as fast which would appeal to some. Lets also not forget that the goal is for a company to continue to get your business. Not just once. Intel will want to keep regular cycles of new products that will entice you to upgrade periodically. So even if they do monoplize the industry, I don't think we'll see $2,000 CPUs out of them. (Well, not in the consumer market.) Intel already has $2,000+ CPUs as it is but remember where those CPUs get used. The market won't change that drastically just from AMD's departure.

Lets be realistic here. Just because AMD fails doesn't mean that another competitor won't take their place. It may take a product cycle of three years or so, but there will be a ton of CPU engineers out of work and ready to do their part. I wouldn't at all be surprised if AMD went under, out of their ashes would come a new company without the inept management ready to do battle with Intel. Again, it may take another 10 years before they can truly slug it out with Intel on equal terms in regard to product performance (Just as it took 10 years or so for AMD became truly competitive.), but one way or another, someone will attempt to seize that opportunity and challenge Intel.

Again, I'm not going to buy an inferior product in a pitiful and quite solitary attempt to bail out a failing company. If AMD wants it bad enough, they've got to earn it. If they can't, then they'll die and someone else will take their place.
 
There will always be another choice. Companies come and go, even huge ones, like Hughes. Others cropped up in its place, and the same will happen if and when AMD goes down.
 
Cept the issue/topic here is "make pity purchases cuz' they're the underdog"..

The call to arms to stir AMD purchasing is pitiful at best. What is a minuscule number of purchases from individual consumers going to do to affect the billions in revenue/net income required to run a company? Nada. It's their inept management's fault for not pushing the brand recognition and ultimately sales. Intel knows how the hell to do business, perhaps AMD should follow suit and hire some y'know, business grads to run a business. I doubt their incompetent HR/marketing/business employees are going to get much job offers if the company does go under.
 
IMHO buy AMD if you are going to use it at stock speeds or light OC becouse they offer better price to performance value and require cheaper mobo. Intel cpus like q9550, e8400 are much better choice when you OC them [H]ard way.
 
At the end of the day, your individual purchase doesn't make a lick of difference to AMD's bottom line.

They need huge contracts with Dell, HP, Sony etc., and in particular, a fast, cheap, low temperature, low power requirement dual core CPU for laptops. IMO, that would be a killer combo for most laptop owners.
 
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