You just contradicted yourself. And I wouldn't be mocking people for having less than high school understanding when you can't spell herring, lest, or usurp. Stop talking, it's embarrassing.
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Suspect Nabbed in Candidate E-mail Hack
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You just contradicted yourself. And I wouldn't be mocking people for having less than high school understanding when you can't spell herring, lest, or usurp. Stop talking, it's embarrassing.
This shouldn't be a big deal. I'm sure there is some ridiculously antiquated law they will use to file charges. Fact is this kid isn't a hacker of any sorts.
This has happened several times(one I can remember someone accessed paris hilton's phone or something). Its not hacking and the only person to blame is the moron who made it so easy for their password to be guessed or reset.
If any person with an Average IQ and a little common sense can crack your email using info from wikipedia...maybe you should better secure your email account.
My passwords are 1000x more secure than that and I'm not running for Vice President.
I don't have to worry about people finding out my mother's maiden name on wikipedia, but i still keep my information more secure than this.
This has happened several times(one I can remember someone accessed paris hilton's phone or something). Its not hacking and the only person to blame is the moron who made it so easy for their password to be guessed or reset.
If any person with an Average IQ and a little common sense can crack your email using info from wikipedia...maybe you should better secure your email account.
My passwords are 1000x more secure than that and I'm not running for Vice President.
I don't have to worry about people finding out my mother's maiden name on wikipedia, but i still keep my information more secure than this.
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It's an election year, and they're still under the illusion that their choices will actually change things in the long run.
So true, they never stand up for conservatives like Rush Limbaugh
There's no constitutional issue involved in this case. The kid exploited a glaring hole in Yahoo's security. I didn't even realize you could reset the password, without sending the data to a predetermined email address.
Now if this was the government doing this, it'd be a completely different story.
His crime and her intent to subvert Alaska's freedom of info law(s) are completely separate issues. Even if she's committed a crime in doing official business on a private account, that doesn't alter the fact that he broke the law.
Frankly, I don't really get the point. The screen caps I saw on the web weren't very interesting...I have no idea why he posted a picture of her kids.
OK, I'll bite: how did this action undermine the United States of America? It could have undermined Palin. It might have undermined McCain's chances for winning the election. It did neither, and even if it did both, I don't see how that rises to the level of Treason.
So a blogger for the ACLU who works with the ACLU on technology and privacy issues doesn't count? What exactly were they supposed to do?
Should they have hired a bunch of security experts to hunt down the guy who did it? Seriously W1retap, EXACTLY what should they have done?
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he WAS using Ctunnel. He just posted a screenshot of his acts, and the Ctunnel URL was clearly visible.
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Oh, I should clarify. The ctunnel URL could be used to trace him. Ctunnel is still secure as long as no one is able to see the URL, which ctunnel themselves would be able to look up and trace back to you. His fault was not hiding the browser URL during his "hack" session.
w1retap has an anti-liberal agenda, its why he didnt bother to look up the case at point before bashing the ACLU, just ignore the troll. I stopped responding to him a while back already.
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He actually posted it on a board that forces anonymity. That's why you hear him as a member of the "hacker group" "Anonymous". The only way they got him was because he didn't blank out the ctorrent URL, as far as I know.
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Notice in my original post I said "HUGE deal". weeeee, someone from their organization made a blog post about it, rofl. That isn't sending the swarms of ACLU people to the media like they always do if it was some right wing politician that did something. Hypocrisy stands.
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Interfering in an election by gaining unauthorized access to a candidates email is a pretty severe undermining of the electoral process. Definitely not treason, and there was nothing particularly damaging in there as it turned out, but you have to be one epic-sized retard to mess with a Vice Presidential candidates email, personal or otherwise.
The FBI and Secret Service are required by law to investigate ANY crimes against a candidate. Moron kid probably thought since it was a Yahoo email it didn't count. Only two people got hurt by his little act, himself, and his father's reputation.
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I'm confused, exactly what do you feel the ACLU should have done here?
No, hypocrisy is conservatives OKing the blatant violation of privacy of all citizens.
Conservatives love beating the "I'm a patriot" drum to blind themselves from questioning security policy. Of course, the minute they get investigated, they're suddenly a big fan of privacy.
Or in other cases, they simply "can't recall". Or emails "go missing".
If you wanna talk about treason, it is blatant lying to the American public. Rove. Bush. Heck, the entire corrupt Administration. That is treason. Of course, none of them have owned up, or apologized. But that's the conservative way. Sweep your shit under the rug, and hope nobody finds it. If they do, say you "don't recall".
Conservatives love beating the "I'm a patriot" drum to blind themselves from questioning security policy. Of course, the minute they get investigated, they're suddenly a big fan of privacy.
Or in other cases, they simply "can't recall". Or emails "go missing".
If you wanna talk about treason, it is blatant lying to the American public. Rove. Bush. Heck, the entire corrupt Administration. That is treason. Of course, none of them have owned up, or apologized. But that's the conservative way. Sweep your shit under the rug, and hope nobody finds it. If they do, say you "don't recall".
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Nothing there but angsty rhetoric based on faulty or incomplete info. But hey knock yourself out. I might as well accuse Clinton of treason over Whitewater, with more witnesses dead or missing than even Nixon manged, or perhaps NAFTA, which has insured that the US never restores it's economy to the levels it had once enjoyed b4 hand. It would be no less stupid, but hey, why not.
(no I don't think Clinton should be accused of treason, just trying to make a point about how partisan, politicaly charged statements tend to be ridiculously asinine)People that think either Obama or McCain are going to fix anything are fooling themselves. They really don't even have the power to. In fact for prolly the last 30 years, the best you could get was a president that did not make it any worse inho. Which idiot politician do I think will screw us less this time, hmmm. Once I figure that out I will vote for him. It gets harder every election to figure that out.
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I'd just like to see the same level of media involvement and anger/lawsuits for both sides of the political spectrum when it comes to their organization. They only voluntarily come to the rescue when it advances their agenda. The reason Rush got them involved in his case was to pull their teeth because he knew of the constitutional values they claim they have to hold up. You can guarantee they hated every minute of defending that man.
Is there a reason you specifically chose to point out my post, when there are equally (or more) posts from the conservative side, on this thread, that are just as ridiculous?
I've actually attempted to read Human Events or LGF. Keyword is attempted, b/c compared to liberal blogs (e.g. Kos), conservative blogs create an RDF exponentially more powerful than even Apple's. Just saying, *shrug*
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It happened to be the last one I saw. Nothing personal. I suppose I could have multi quoted a number of other people as well.
The thread has gone into political back and forth when all this news item is about, is how stupid it is for a politicians son to hack into a VP candidates email account, especially one from another party.
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I'd just like to see the same level of media involvement and anger/lawsuits for both sides of the political spectrum when it comes to their organization. They only voluntarily come to the rescue when it advances their agenda. The reason Rush got them involved in his case was to pull their teeth because he knew of the constitutional values they claim they have to hold up. You can guarantee they hated every minute of defending that man.
Rush Limbaugh's rights were violated by a prosecutor, i.e. an agent of the government. The ACLU also defended the "God Hates Fags" people when they were prevented from protesting at someones funeral.
ACLU does not get involved in defending people from the illegal actions of private citizens. That is what the authorities are for. Where is the violation of civil liberties here? There isn't one, just a computer crime against a Vice Presidential candidate by a private citizen.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make, but the ACLU has never gotten involved in anything this small or stupid on either end of the political spectrum. I don't think you really understand anything about the ACLU and what they do other than that you do not like them.
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It isn't about where there are cases when they are asked to step in.. it is about the frequency of cases that they step into on their own and send their swarm of media talking heads to.
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funny thing about all this is that he got caught because he posted pictures, which included the url of the proxy that he used, which the admin of that proxy used to find his IP address, what a dumbass.
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If I were this guy's dad, I would be more upset about the fact that he was visiting 4-chan.
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Well he is 20 years old..
..but the fact that the place is the "anonymous" child porn magnet of the net should raise some flags. Pretty sick if you ask me. I'm surprised the place hasn't be shut down yet.
..but the fact that the place is the "anonymous" child porn magnet of the net should raise some flags. Pretty sick if you ask me. I'm surprised the place hasn't be shut down yet.
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Seriously the world would be a better place without 4chan. Then again they'd all just congegrate elsewhere. Maybe a huge child porn sting on hundreds of /b/tards would help.
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No longer Anonymous.
I find it hilarious that some people on other sites are applauding this young man's behavior and label it as "uncovering the truth about the evil Palin." I personally like her and see her as some one I can actually relate unlike the messiah Barack Obama.
Why worry about what the ACLU does or doesn't do. The largest people group that does not have a voice and doesn't get defending by them is those that are aborted every day. They are not on the same set of moral's as the right...everyone knows that. This really isn't an ACLU issue anyway. However, I do believe if this was a Republican kid hacking Obama's or Biden's account...it would probably be quite different in the main stream press that it has been for Palin.
Stupid attempt at being cool for that noob hacker. pwned.
I also see no evidence of Palin using her email for private government business...it is all small talk and it is not worthy of news.
If anyone is really worried about having their phone tapped...maybe you should read the wiretapping bill. The President still needs to notify the intelligence committee on Capital Hill and other congressional leaders to use it. The President also must believe that risk is imminent and requires the use. Then maybe you can realize that the government doesn't give a flying flapjack about your calls to your little girlfriend or some other noob script kiddy. Just don't be a traitor and call a terrorist, and your privacy is fine.
Stupid attempt at being cool for that noob hacker. pwned.
I also see no evidence of Palin using her email for private government business...it is all small talk and it is not worthy of news.
If anyone is really worried about having their phone tapped...maybe you should read the wiretapping bill. The President still needs to notify the intelligence committee on Capital Hill and other congressional leaders to use it. The President also must believe that risk is imminent and requires the use. Then maybe you can realize that the government doesn't give a flying flapjack about your calls to your little girlfriend or some other noob script kiddy. Just don't be a traitor and call a terrorist, and your privacy is fine.
I think the retard is Palin for having a yahoo account in the first place. If she wanted to conduct state business out the way of prying eye, she should have set up a server of her own and set a more secure system. it was just plain dumb on her part. And I don't even like her. she's an idiot, and not worthy of being president, and with McCain health issues, that is a distinct possibility.
Get off the high horse their jack. I and many others consider this freedom a moral high point. The unborn are counted as part of the bodies of the already living, and they are the ones we protect. A child is defined after taking its first breath. You wouldn't jail a mother for endangering her unborn, otherwise all mothers who smoke, drink, or malnourish themselves would be thrown in jail. And anything deemed later as hazardous to the unborn that a mother is doing could be used as an excuse to do the same.
Its not your, your religions, or your governments business. It concerns only that person who is deeming it necessary to do to themselves.
And the ACLU protects your right to protest these clinics. So just because they dont adopt the message of your particular cult of choosing, doesn't mean they dont protect you.
It is you who is taking the "US and THEM" stance that is encouraged by every cultivated cult out there.
To clarify things, I consider those of any religion motivated enough to go and protest the lives and necessary procedures of other human beings that dont effect themselves as being brainwashed by cult dogma and given an imperative that they're on a mission from god. The way to salvation is not through the interrupted lives of others.
Secondly, its Palin and her FBI sting that need to be told that its small talk and not worthy of news. Its not worthy of an FBI investigation either, as they already know how easily it can be done, heck, any 16 yr old out there could have done the same. No-one actually needed any proxies, the kid was just trying not to get caught, the truth being anyone could have done this from a public library and its yahoo thats at fault for this security flaw.
Thirdly, the wiretapping bill does not address FISA, which requires no notification or justification in the matter where "they dont know if you're up to something". No president or judge need be notified for them to listen in on ALL your communications. I may not be a terrorist, but THEY dont have a DEFINED SCOPE, I might be talking on the phone about smoking a joint, copying a movie, and wondering if the girl from last nights party really was 18. They dont have the DEFINED SCOPE not to go after me for that stuff instead. Especially when they havnt found anything with their original search and are looking for excuses to go through my personal shit further.
Fourth, if you're looking for anyone using religious zeal to pump votes, I dont think Obama is your Messiah. If you're looking for candidates in bed with vitriol mouthed preachers, evangelist hate mongers, and preachers of the "us and them" intolerant dogma, you'll find yourself squarely in the republican voting block that is the bible belt.
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Just words, just speeches.. rofl
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Its just another sign pointing to how screwed up our country has become. Lock this down, secure that. Can't leave your keys in the car or leave a door unlocked because there is no respect for other folks, there ID or property.
This man is called a kid. He is twenty years old! He is not a kid. At least not by historical merits in America. When it was proud and resourceful country. Now it has a glass jaw and full of whine bags that want a hand out.
Its the rage now days for parents to be raising there adult children. I bet daddy almost, if not pays for everything concerning his idiot son. And is defending him. If I was his father I would be helping the law throw him under the bus.
Twenty years old and brings disgrace and shame on his parents and family. He should be dealt with very hard.
This man is called a kid. He is twenty years old! He is not a kid. At least not by historical merits in America. When it was proud and resourceful country. Now it has a glass jaw and full of whine bags that want a hand out.
Its the rage now days for parents to be raising there adult children. I bet daddy almost, if not pays for everything concerning his idiot son. And is defending him. If I was his father I would be helping the law throw him under the bus.
Twenty years old and brings disgrace and shame on his parents and family. He should be dealt with very hard.
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He is 20 years old, but this is the media we're talking about here. The same media that calls our brave men and women in uniform "kids".
Complete utter fucking bullshit. And completely avoided the question of what EXACTLY should they have done. I want you to give the statements that the ACLU you should have made about an anonymous person(s) that broke into an email account.
Furthermore, I want to know what constitutional issue are were defending?
Please, be precise. Another vacuous post won't cut it.
I'd just like to see the same level of media involvement and anger/lawsuits for both sides of the political spectrum when it comes to their organization. They only voluntarily come to the rescue when it advances their agenda. The reason Rush got them involved in his case was to pull their teeth because he knew of the constitutional values they claim they have to hold up. You can guarantee they hated every minute of defending that man.
Please show a mainstream source that shows that Rush asked the ACLU to help him.
Then again, Rush is quite the hypocrite, given his stand on drugs, which he maintained while he was a prescription heroin addict.
And you're from the group that likes to try 14 year old kids as an adults.
And FYI, I've seen 50+ year-old people call 25 year-old adults kids. I personally don't know what they should do wit this kid (if you can't legally drink, you're definitely a kid
). I definitely don't think he should spend a ton of time in jail. And given that he's white and from a well connected family, who likely has the money to put up a solid defense, I doubt he'll do much if any time.