9800GT with 128 shaders

Well the box says 128 shaders too so we'll see....
 
If this is true, then nvidia still hasn't learned its lesson. How many versions of the 8800GTS GPU where there? 3? Yeesh...
 
I tried out the card this weekend. And to me its exactly like a 8800GTS. The pcd layout everything is the same. So I'm sure all Asus did was flash the bios of the card from a 8800GTS to a 9800GT and whola a new 9800GT with 128 shaders :) I compared the card to my friends 8800GTS, the scores in games and benchmarks were pretty much identical....
 
kllrnohj said:
If this is true, then nvidia still hasn't learned its lesson. How many versions of the 8800GTS GPU where there? 3? Yeesh...
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This is probably asus trying to get rid of excess 8800GTS stock, nvidia probably had little or nothing to do with it (other than producing mass cards with different names). I guess AIBs are free to modify 9800GT/GTX designs now.
 
Simpson5774 said:
This is probably asus trying to get rid of excess 8800GTS stock, nvidia probably had little or nothing to do with it (other than producing mass cards with different names). I guess AIBs are free to modify 9800GT/GTX designs now.
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But I doubt they are allowed to independently re-brand GPUs. Modifying a design and renaming a product are very different.
 
kllrnohj said:
But I doubt they are allowed to independently re-brand GPUs. Modifying a design and renaming a product are very different.
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Asus has done it before. I remeber back in the day, they sold a 6800GT with 12 pixel pipes and 5 vertex units, that had 350 core clock and 1000 memory like a 6800GT. They also sold a 6800GT that was 16p/6v, directly using the 6800ultra pcb and components with a (modified) 6800GT cooler. And this was back when the 6800GT was a viable option.

I am sure I could find more examples given time, asus, gigabyte and msi had all them dual GPU designs which they created themselves, so did sapphire.
 
Wallach said:
I saw this card last week and have been thinking about picking one up. I've only seen one bench of it so far:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...0-gt-roundup-evga-asus-gigabyte-palit-10.html

Looks like a decent card, and a pretty good deal even compared to the 4850; Newegg has it for $145 after MIR.
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I guess if your goal is to get the highest 3dmark score... However if this 128 shader 9800gt performs the same as the 8800gts as the OP said, then the 4850 would be better for gaming.
 
CamaroZ28 said:
I guess if your goal is to get the highest 3dmark score... However if this 128 shader 9800gt performs the same as the 8800gts as the OP said, then the 4850 would be better for gaming.
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?

There were plenty of gaming benches in the pages following the one I linked. It performs better than the 9800 GTX.
 
Wallach said:
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There were plenty of gaming benches in the pages following the one I linked. It performs better than the 9800 GTX.
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Of course it does. It is an overclocked 9800GTX, after all. At least, the Asus one with 128 shaders is. Didn't look at the specs on the others.
 
kllrnohj said:
Of course it does. It is an overclocked 9800GTX, after all. At least, the Asus one with 128 shaders is. Didn't look at the specs on the others.
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That's sort of what I don't get - if it really is just an OC'd 9800GTX, why not market it as such instead of a 9800GT? You'd think that would steer people away from the card since even an OC'd stock 9800GT would not be particularly desirable at that price point. Seems like they are making an already confusing naming scheme even worse, but not really to their own benefit in this case.
 
Wallach said:
That's sort of what I don't get - if it really is just an OC'd 9800GTX, why not market it as such instead of a 9800GT? You'd think that would steer people away from the card since even an OC'd stock 9800GT would not be particularly desirable at that price point. Seems like they are making an already confusing naming scheme even worse, but not really to their own benefit in this case.
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Umap? if they call it a 9800GTX they cant advertise the fact its selling for 170, since the cutoff is 189 or 199.
 
This card is slightly cheaper at zipzoomfly.com. $139.99 AR + Shipping

It is an overclocked 8800GTS 512MB with its BIOS changed to call itself a 9800GT. Not a terrible deal, but also not an excellent deal if you can afford a 4850 for around $150 - $160 AR or less.

The first non-reference overclocked 8800GTS 512MB cards were released at around 730mhz core, but then nVidia asked its partners to lower the overclock to 678mhz core which is the clock speed of most overclocked 8800GTS 512's that are still available.
 
No It's not a Mistake, I just Picked up an ASUS 9800GT Ultra 512 Meg from an e'Tailer this Weekend, and from the Reviews I've been seeing, that it's a Tweaked 8800GTS that is supposed to be Really OverClockable, and be within a hairs breath of the the 9800GTX+ for a lot less dough.
Anyway because it's a 8800GTS in disguise, it is a really quick 128 Shader Card that has excellent Voltage Control and other Tweaks, or so I've read. Won't know for sure until it gets here probably by Wed. the latest. It's an upgrade for a 8600GTS 256 Meg Card that Totally disapointed me, and it's taken me this long to get around to upgrading it.
 
CamaroZ28 said:
I guess if your goal is to get the highest 3dmark score... However if this 128 shader 9800gt performs the same as the 8800gts as the OP said, then the 4850 would be better for gaming.
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One other Caveat that you might be missing out on, is that I was an Early Adopter of the 8800 GTX Ultra OC in a 680i Board, I have just built a Phenom/9600GT for my son, and a Medium Grade Gamer around a Asus P35K-E E6850, GigaByte HD4850 Setup and can directly Compare Performance across multiple platforms and varying Resolutions, and for a 1680 x 1080 Resolution why spend the extra dough if you don't need all that Pixel Pushing Power.
 
Considering how Prized the 8800GTS were at their Introduction Price, and that not many people Migrated to the 9800GTX because of that, this is an Outstanding use of 65 Nanometer Stock. The 9800GT will migrate to a 55nm die as stocks retire and that's the luck of the Draw on whether you get a 55nm or a 65nm Part, so for Asus to do this shows some Fine Hutspah, and I'm glad I Grabbed one these Puppies up. I know it will play anything out there, and for $180 Delivered to AK, that's Price/Performance Ratio that I can live with!
 
CamaroZ28 said:
I guess if your goal is to get the highest 3dmark score... However if this 128 shader 9800gt performs the same as the 8800gts as the OP said, then the 4850 would be better for gaming.
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I disagree. Nvidia has better drivers, and once you push the core to 800-850 and shaders at 2000, this card is better then the ATI 4850 period not to mention its cheaper.
 
Vengance_01 said:
I disagree. Nvidia has better drivers, and once you push the core to 800-850 and shaders at 2000, this card is better then the ATI 4850 period not to mention its cheaper.
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And if you overclock the 4850 it'll easily keep up with, if not surpass, the 128 shader 9800GT/8800GTS when overclocked. The 4850 can realistically hit 4870 speeds overclocked. At stock speeds I would say the two cards are comparable - neither has a clear win (enable AA, though, and the 4850 has the edge)

Here, look for yourself: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...0-gt-roundup-evga-asus-gigabyte-palit-12.html

The 4850 and 9800GT ultimate trade blows depending on game and AA. The 4850, however, used less power (and therefore generated less heat), has better AA quality, and supports DX10.1, so the 4850 is the "better" card given the performance of the two is very similar.
 
9800GT has a much better stock heatsink, and this card is cheaper period.

Also just because the card uses less power does not mean it generates less heat.
 
Vengance_01 said:
I disagree. Nvidia has better drivers, and once you push the core to 800-850 and shaders at 2000, this card is better then the ATI 4850 period not to mention its cheaper.
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Better drivers? I don't that is a viable argument anymore. Their new drivers haven't given me a single issue. However, when I had SLI 8600GTs, and the 7800 and 6600 before that, I had nothing but issues with drivers. I think in the end, they are equally good and crappy at the same time.
 
Well I am having issues with several games, the card puts out alot of heat. I have had a 8800GTS 512MB before and had 0 problems. Glad to be back to the green side. Both are solid cards, but I prefer Nvidia.
 
Vengance_01 said:
Also just because the card uses less power does not mean it generates less heat.
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Yes, it does. Since that power is not translating into any other form of energy (except motion for the fan), it will therefore become heat.

9800GT has a much better stock heatsink, and this card is cheaper period.
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$15 cheaper, omg! Clearly such a huge price difference will overcome the areas where the 4850 bests the 9800GT ultimate, right? :rolleyes:

The heatsink is very subjective. The 9800GT Ultimate is a 2 slot, and the 4850 has a whisper quiet single slot. 2 rather different designs and goals, neither being "better" than the other.

Well I am having issues with several games, the card puts out alot of heat. I have had a 8800GTS 512MB before and had 0 problems.
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The 4850 put out "alot of heat", so you went to a card that puts out even more heat? Wow, nice logic there, really impressive.
 
kllrnohj said:
Of course it does. It is an overclocked 9800GTX, after all. At least, the Asus one with 128 shaders is. Didn't look at the specs on the others.
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NO ITS NOT. it is an overclocked 8800gts 512mb. it has ONE 6-pin connector and only 2000mhz memory.
 
8800GTS 512, 9800GTX, 9800GTX+, and now the 9800GT... wtf are the differences?

From the 88 to 98 the power was bumped up and the heatsink changed, that's it.
 
kllrnohj said:
And if you overclock the 4850 it'll easily keep up with, if not surpass, the 128 shader 9800GT/8800GTS when overclocked. The 4850 can realistically hit 4870 speeds overclocked. At stock speeds I would say the two cards are comparable - neither has a clear win (enable AA, though, and the 4850 has the edge)

Here, look for yourself: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...0-gt-roundup-evga-asus-gigabyte-palit-12.html

The 4850 and 9800GT ultimate trade blows depending on game and AA. The 4850, however, used less power (and therefore generated less heat), has better AA quality, and supports DX10.1, so the 4850 is the "better" card given the performance of the two is very similar.
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I have a Gigabyte HD4850 with a Xygmatek Dual Fan Cooler, with Vantek Copper Ramsinks, plus a Modded Heatsink over the PWM Circuit, and I think the 9800GT Ultra seems smoother in Gaming. I just think that the 4850 does have Peaks that are meteoric, it does Stutter Occasionally, and its those Stutters that's keeping it from being all that it could be.
 
colinstu said:
8800GTS 512, 9800GTX, 9800GTX+, and now the 9800GT... wtf are the differences?

From the 88 to 98 the power was bumped up and the heatsink changed, that's it.
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8800GTS + 9800GT 128 = 8800GT pcb. 8800GT pcb = 7900GTX originally, which was originally the one for the 7800GTX. tried and true, but not the most balls to the wall for supplying power to the GPU. 9800GTX/+ = 8800GTX pcb redesigned for less memory.

The difference is when your going balls to the wall with overclock, the 9800GTX will be the better overclocker, and which is why you will get the 8800GTS and 9800GT 128 for cheaper. Same GPU, same functionality (although they limited physX and hybrid GPU to 9 series chips, atleast temporarily), its just a question of how much you want to push the envelope with a overclock.
 
Jaguar Jim1 said:
I have a Gigabyte HD4850 with a Xygmatek Dual Fan Cooler, with Vantek Copper Ramsinks, plus a Modded Heatsink over the PWM Circuit, and I think the 9800GT Ultra seems smoother in Gaming. I just think that the 4850 does have Peaks that are meteoric, it does Stutter Occasionally, and its those Stutters that's keeping it from being all that it could be.
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Huh, I haven't had any such stutters. Do you have vsync enabled to keep the high spikes in check?
 
kllrnohj said:
Yes, it does. Since that power is not translating into any other form of energy (except motion for the fan), it will therefore become heat.



$15 cheaper, omg! Clearly such a huge price difference will overcome the areas where the 4850 bests the 9800GT ultimate, right? :rolleyes:

The heatsink is very subjective. The 9800GT Ultimate is a 2 slot, and the 4850 has a whisper quiet single slot. 2 rather different designs and goals, neither being "better" than the other.



The 4850 put out "alot of heat", so you went to a card that puts out even more heat? Wow, nice logic there, really impressive.
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This man is correct, energy is conserved. The that goes into your system doesn't disappear, it is mostly converted to heat, and some as minute electromagnetic radiation.
 
wow stop bashing the card. I had been struggling with issues with this card and I am offically sick of it. This 9800GT will offer near identical performance and in some cases better performance for a cheaper price. Be happy with your 4850. I have already given my reasons why I went the 9800GT. BTW the 4850's stock cooler is horrendous. 75C idle and 85-90n full load with all the heat dumped into my case, no thanks. :rolleyes:
 
Vengance_01 said:
wow stop bashing the card. I had been struggling with issues with this card and I am offically sick of it. This 9800GT will offer near identical performance and in some cases better performance for a cheaper price. Be happy with your 4850. I have already given my reasons why I went the 9800GT. BTW the 4850's stock cooler is horrendous. 75C idle and 85-90n full load with all the heat dumped into my case, no thanks. :rolleyes:
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I'm not bashing it, I've stated repeatedly that the two are quite similar in performance, with the overall edge going to the 4850. Neither is a bad choice. All I'm doing is defending the 4850, which it justly deserves, and which I'm about to do again.

The temperature of the card has ZERO AFFECT ON THE HEAT PRODUCED. Again, the 9800GT Ultimate generates more heat than the 4850. That is fact, you can't argue it. The 4850 stock cooler does the job it was given very well. ATI opted for quiet over cool, and in that regards the 4850's cooler is quite good. It is NOT HORRENDOUS for its task (quiet). 75-90c is not at all pushing what these cards can handle. ATI has stated that these cards are designed to handle the higher heat load. ATI's engineers know a hell of a lot more about what the card can and cannot handle than you do.

If you like low temperatures on your card, great, I'm happy for you that the 9800GT Ultimate fit the bill, but you could also have just upped the fan speed on the 4850. The cooler on the card is definitely good enough to keep temps under 60c without being loud should you so desire.
 
kllrnohj said:
Huh, I haven't had any such stutters. Do you have vsync enabled to keep the high spikes in check?
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The Stutters only occur once in a While, while playing NFS:pro Street. At First it seemed like a Momentary Glitch, and it straightened itself out, and seemed to play Great for a while, but then it happened again. It's like the Screen Twitches, a bunch of Pixels seem to Blur more than necessary. Anyway it's not that serious a problem, and it's still really playable. I'm going to watch out for it some more, and Post my Observations after I install Cryses "Warhammer".
 
colinstu said:
8800GTS 512, 9800GTX, 9800GTX+, and now the 9800GT... wtf are the differences?

From the 88 to 98 the power was bumped up and the heatsink changed, that's it.
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Correction, it should be 8800GTS, 9800GTX, 9800GTX+, and 9800GT UL. The 9800GT is just an 8800GT with BIOS Tweaks, not the same Die.
 
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