It seems as though you were addressing everything he said in general.
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It seems as though you were addressing everything he said in general.
LeviathanZERO
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I can see how you might of looked at it that way, but I didnt quote the rest of his post for a reason. (Mostly cause I was responding to his hateful words instead of whatever he was talking about, which didnt make a difference since I was addressing his callusness.)
But you can look at things however you want to...
I mean, if thats not what you implied, then I'm sorry for calling you out. Its just how it seemed...
iran didnt do it. the US has enough egg on its face for iran not to bother making them look worse. western interests want to keep their hand in the mid-east cookie jar for at least the next 100 years.... by hindering all efforts for oil bearing nations to become completely independent. once your under the western thumb then they might let u breath....
^^
Looks like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made an account on the [H] to tell us westerners off.
of course Iran didnt do it. why would Iran cut internet to their own god damn country.
Bush did this, waaaaaa
Bush did that, waaaaaa
9-11 was an inside job, waaaa
Bush had the cable's cut, waaaaa
Some people's stupidity just knows no bounds. You wouldn't know truth if it smacked you upside the head.
No, the problem with America are the idiots that want to find conspiracy in everything there is, instead of seeing the truth that's right in front of them. They want to blame other people than the ones that actually committed crimes and they think we should leave the terrorist alone. People like Rosie O'dumbshit and certain people here.
Our men and women are giving their lives so that people in Afghanistan and Iraq can have a life of freedom and not have to deal with tyrants like the Taliban and Saddam and people run off at the mouth saying crap they have no clue about.
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Yeah cause Iraq was responsible for 9/11, and not 19 Saudi Terrorists.
You'll believe anything that TV tells you, huh? You are the perfect Republican. Why not run for office?
and you will believe anything Rosie O'dumbass and Daily Kos tells you too.
Even Clinton calls these idiots for what they are.
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Calm down everyone sheesh, it's just GODZILLA!
LeviathanZERO
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I'm sorry I dont watch TV. I miss the propaganda that seems to be all over you.
You dont honestly believe we went to Iraq to rid it 'of bad men', do you?
Bush sold the war on non-existant WMD's and had a supposed link to 9/11.
You need to get YOUR facts straight. A simple search on Youtube will pull up hundreds of newscasts from 2003 that says exactly that.
Stick with the propaganda. Seems to be working real well for you.
I do have my facts straight.
and the connection was WMDs and 9-11 terrorist called Al-Qaeda and there is a link with them and Iraq and Iraq working on getting nuclear material, which leads to nukes ending up in the hands of Al-Qaeda.
and the WMDs were believed by every single intelligence agency in the world, including France and Germany, because Saddam was putting the information out that he did have them so Iran wouldn't invade if they found out he didn't have anything.
Stick with Rosie and Daily Kos, it's a better place for people like you
LeviathanZERO
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Whoa dude. Talk about misinformation.
Yeah, I'm done with you. Not going to argue with someone that has no clue what they are talking about.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/
The title of the article, if you dont want to click on it is "CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq".
OR
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.wmd.report/
"According to a report by the CIA's Charles Duelfer, Saddam Hussein did not have WMD when the war began."
Oh and here, since you have undeniable blind faith in our government and Bush, watch this newscast and tell me why that was even aired if our government is so trusthworthy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN-eGOtBGbg&feature=related
Good night, sheep.
I had a feeling this would bring division to the PC hardware freaks. We all have at least one thing in common that we know of, so maybe it's possible to be civil in this discussion? Though I doubt it, tomorrow they may tell us that this is all some fucked up mistake anyway. Then what will you say?. If your going to argue, argue about religion, not politics, that way your both wrong
100 more years in the mid-east cookie jar?
america will be lucky to last another 10-25 years as a dominant global force. look at every other aspect of your country, most of the world despises usa for some reason or other, your economy is about to take a massive swandive with china basically owning your country, when your dominance hits a critical turning point all your strategic allies will jump ship fearing reprisal for being guilty by association.
but really sort your country out, i wish you luck, cas i'll miss usa tv/film and all the hot chicks
america will be lucky to last another 10-25 years as a dominant global force. look at every other aspect of your country, most of the world despises usa for some reason or other, your economy is about to take a massive swandive with china basically owning your country, when your dominance hits a critical turning point all your strategic allies will jump ship fearing reprisal for being guilty by association.
but really sort your country out, i wish you luck, cas i'll miss usa tv/film and all the hot chicks
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has the paranoia set in yet? or what?
This surely seems shady, ill definitely give you that. But who is playing bomb squad with our fiber backbones???
This surely seems shady, ill definitely give you that. But who is playing bomb squad with our fiber backbones???
It's the low carb diets.
The brain is a huge calorie sink. Needs lots of complex carbs and sugars to power it. Atkins didn't just give us hot chicks, it gave us dumb skinny chicks! (the rest is fixed with plastic surgery) The most telling evidence of the national 'Atkins brain drain' can be seen as the emergence and populatiry of "reality" TV (you know it's all scripted really right?).
The effect on the country's IQ as a whole has been profound.
Once we accept complex carbs (not just simple sugars and starch) back into our diets, America will become a great nation once again!
This thread is still about the world's perception of America as a county right? Or am I confused...
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Yea, fits those radical conspiracy lunatic nutjobs to a T.
Cheney may have said something to the sort but, read the very same article where it says most of the Bush administration doesn't put a link with 9-11 itself.
There were however Al-Qaeda members in Iraq before we even went in and there was a link with Iraq and Al-Qaeda, just not that Saddam himself was in on the 9-11 planning and attacks.
A link is something as small as providing aid and comfort, to something big as actually providing materials and planning.
The main issue they had was preventative measures. Saddam was telling the world he had WMD's, even though he didnt BUT, he did have the capacity to get them started in a matter of weeks. He had the capability, there is documented evidence of his attempts to get nuclear material, he was telling the world he had them and he was giving aid and confort to Al-Qaeda people. It doesn't take much to assume the worst here and that's what happened.
If Saddam had got nuclear material and then started up the WMD production, how hard do you think it would have been for Al-Qaeda to get ahold of it from corrupt people in Saddam's government or from Saddam himself.
That's where the fear was.
I personally don't think we should have went into Iraq when we did and spent more time in Afghanistan and got it cleaned out completely before working on Saddam but, we are t here now and I support our men and women. They are dying to give these people freedoms that we take for granted. Women actually able to have a place in government and young girls being able to go to school and have the schools teach these people real world skills and knowledge. The ability to go to college one day and make something of themselves. To be able to walk down the streets without fear of being arrested for now reason and taken off to rape and torture rooms or having helicopters dumping gas on you and killing your entire village and on and on and on.
Whether it was the right time to go in or not is debatable but you know what, the rest of the world stood by while Saddam did all this stuff and wouldn't do anything about it. They were too busy lining their pockets in the U.N. with Saddam's money.
What we did was the right thing to do, even though he had no WMD's. It's the same thing that needs to be done in Darfur and other regions of the world where people are being slaughtered left and right, but the useless UN will not do anything.
Call us all the names you want and believe what you want of us but, if you don't think people deserve a right to live free and without fear and have a chance at making something out of their lives without being tortured, raped, murdered, mutilated, gassed and so on, then well, you are not much of a human being.
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I'm going to use this post as an example, but by no means am I calling you out (because this is a nationwide problem).
Perfect Republican? Perfect Democrat? What are these things? I was under the impression everyone was different and had different views.
Wake up folks-these jackasses running the country steal your attention away from how well they perform their duties by using the natural American competitiveness as a distraction. They've pitted you against each other-for no productive reason. THERE IS NO PERFECT SIDE! Pick the person who does the job well. Who cares if they are Republican or Democrat. Do they run your country well? That's the only question you need the answer to, all the other stuff is worthless.
you did say no one ever said that Iraq and 911 were linked and I showed you the VP did.
And you can not impose a democracy from outside. it has to be from within or it is doom to fail.
Yeah, difference is that the other members of the coalition are attempting some sort of professional conduct, instead of firing indiscriminately into vehicles coming towars them.
and I admitted you were right in that regard but also pointed out that it wasn't the Bush administration as a whole that believed that, as the article states.
No, you can not impose a democracy from the outside but, you can remove a tyrant committing genocide on a regular basis and go in there and help those people to be at a place where they will eventually have a better life for themselves and teach them a system that for the most part, works. You can go in and show them kindness and that you care and hope they will adopt something better than what they had and then move on when they are ready to handle it on their own so they have a fighting chance to pull it off and fight the extremist that are out to kill them, on their own. Peaceful countries = a more peaceful world.
I tell you what, we can get them to give you a weapon to defend your buddies, your friends and out you at a checkpoint where people come through with bombs in vehicles and run the barricades and ignore warnings and see what you do when you are faced with a choice, kill them or let them go and kill your friends next to you.
People talk about things without ever having been in the situation they have no idea about. It's the same with all the talk about anything in the war. They aren't there putting their lives on the line and having to make life and death choices in a matter of seconds or minutes, yet they complain.
Put yourself in their shoes for 1 day Face what they have to face day in and day out and then the person has a right to say something.
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considering this is around the time of election and the bush admin is leaving i think there doing a bit of "cleaning"
Just look at the Abu Gharad prison
photographic evidence
video evidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FD1jHueZZc
here is some lovley bristish soilders beating the shit out of a kid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y279RSwi7jA
loose ends people, loose ends
Just look at the Abu Gharad prison
photographic evidence
video evidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FD1jHueZZc
here is some lovley bristish soilders beating the shit out of a kid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y279RSwi7jA
loose ends people, loose ends
considering this is around the time of election and the bush admin is leaving i think there doing a bit of "cleaning"
Just look at the Abu Gharad prison
photographic evidence
video evidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FD1jHueZZc
here is some lovley bristish soilders beating the shit out of a kid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y279RSwi7jA
loose ends people, loose ends
Have you ever ran a business or anything where you have people under you? If you did, would you be in so much control that no one could do anything that you didn't allow or condone? Try running a company with millions of employees and then tell me why they shouldn't blame you for the actions of some employee off in some other country.
Acoustique
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this is just the tip of the ice burg
looks like as many as 8 cables have been cut.....
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=25758.msg101078;topicseen#msg101078
this thread lists them as well as links to news reports for each of them.
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excerpt:
Three things stand out about these incidents:
1) all of them, save one, have occurred in waters near predominantly Muslim nations, causing disruption in those countries;
2) all but two of the cut/damaged cables are in Middle Eastern waters;
3) so many like incidents in such a short period of time suggests that they are not accidents, but are in fact deliberate acts, i.e., sabotage.
The evidence therefore suggests that we are looking at a coordinated program of undersea cable sabotage by an actor, or actors, on the international stage with an anti-Muslim bias, as well as a proclivity for destructive violence in the Middle Eastern region.
The question then becomes: are there any actors on the international stage who exhibit a strong, anti-Muslim bias in their foreign relations, who have the technical capability to carry out clandestine sabotage operations on the sea floor, and who have exhibited a pattern of violently destructive policies towards Muslim peoples and nations, especially in the Middle East region?
The answer is yes, there are two: Israel and the United States of America.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=25758.msg101078;topicseen#msg101078
this thread lists them as well as links to news reports for each of them.
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excerpt:
Three things stand out about these incidents:
1) all of them, save one, have occurred in waters near predominantly Muslim nations, causing disruption in those countries;
2) all but two of the cut/damaged cables are in Middle Eastern waters;
3) so many like incidents in such a short period of time suggests that they are not accidents, but are in fact deliberate acts, i.e., sabotage.
The evidence therefore suggests that we are looking at a coordinated program of undersea cable sabotage by an actor, or actors, on the international stage with an anti-Muslim bias, as well as a proclivity for destructive violence in the Middle Eastern region.
The question then becomes: are there any actors on the international stage who exhibit a strong, anti-Muslim bias in their foreign relations, who have the technical capability to carry out clandestine sabotage operations on the sea floor, and who have exhibited a pattern of violently destructive policies towards Muslim peoples and nations, especially in the Middle East region?
The answer is yes, there are two: Israel and the United States of America.
My what a pedestrian understanding of the conflicts in the middle east.
The US armed, trained, and financed the Mujhadien to fight against the Soviets. The Mujhadien later fought amongst themselves with the Taliban emerging the victors and taking over control of Afghanistan. In addition the US supported the Ba'ath party military coupe against the government of Qassim in Iraq (by far the most Democratic leader Iraq has ever seen).
The belief that Saddam and the Al-Qaeda were in any way working together is asinine. Saddams government was secular, Al-Qaeda are religious extremists. In short the problems the US faces in Afghanistan and Iraq today, are a direct result of thuggish cold war foreign policy.
it is US foreign (shadow)policy to keep the middle-east from modernizing and keep the region in a state of conflict to better control its oil interests and help the military/corporate industries reap massive profits. thus we have seen putting dictators in power, tearing them down, funding terrorism, creating conflicts with false flag actions, and outright immoral warring ect...
oh the US would never do that would it.... pull ur head out of the sand and open ur eyes. the US governments own documents as well as being caught red handed more than once show the poeple behind curtain of power will do whatever it takes to get the results they want.
oh the US would never do that would it.... pull ur head out of the sand and open ur eyes. the US governments own documents as well as being caught red handed more than once show the poeple behind curtain of power will do whatever it takes to get the results they want.
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LMFAO dude, wtf. hahaha. This thread is hilarious now. It's like all the frenzied conspiracy theorists are in a stricken panic, just brainstorming the next most radical idea with ZERO evidence whatsoever about ANYTHING. It is just like EVERY OTHER CONSPIRACY THEORY THEY MAKE. ahahha.
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it was the sharks with the lazerbeams.......*puts little finger to corner of mouth*
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I totally agree with you, these people here are human beings like us too, they all deserve to get freedom and live like many of us do, being able go to school, college and to work without any fear.
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because it is TOTALLY impossible that many of these muslim countries known for censorship (and knowing how censorship has been failing) would do this themselves. Or perhaps a small extremist group of muslims might. I mean they use retards to strap bombs on, and blow up schools and civilians, but they would never dare to hurt the intarwebs!!!! So Blame the evil Americans!!!
Trust me, if the US gubmint wanted to cut them off the internet, they would do so without hurting the infrastructure. And if they wanted to attack, they would do so, not dick around with cables.
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