Vista SP1, Windows Server 2008 Finalized

techer said:
Vista SP1, hmm..no thanks
I am staying away from Vista's slowing game performance compared to XP. Furthemore, I am *really* staying away from Vista's DX10 hideous game performance.
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Then I guess you're staying away from advanced gaming altogether then. :eek:
 
L33t Masta said:
Then I guess you're staying away from advanced gaming altogether then. :eek:
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Don't bait them dude. I like vista and as far as I can tell you do too. Its kinda sad that people like this have to come onto this forum and troll. I guess it is unavoidable.

Anyways, a service pack can only bring good things.
 
so who has installed this SP and where are the performance increases/penalties?

i know my systems got smoother with SP's for XP, but i have only read there were none to marginal increases with the Vista SP. i have not toyed with any of the RC or beta's for that matter, as i find myself just becoming more irritated with Vista.
 
Brent_Justice said:
Looking forward to it so my network speed will see an improvement.
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Yea I've been told that sp1 should help fix some of the copy issues as well. Looking forward to downloading it. Hope they push it out before march though for installs.
 
File copying is much improved. Also, the UAC prompts are reduced when performing file operations. I've ran the RC and then the refresh for a little while now and things feel a bit faster overall. Been happy with it and haven't had any issues.
 
tacosareveryyummy said:
Don't bait them dude. I like vista and as far as I can tell you do too. Its kinda sad that people like this have to come onto this forum and troll. I guess it is unavoidable.

Anyways, a service pack can only bring good things.
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But if I don't bait them how do I exploit the enevitable flame war that would ensue for my own enjoyment?
 
techer said:
Vista SP1, hmm..no thanks
I am staying away from Vista's slowing game performance compared to XP. Furthemore, I am *really* staying away from Vista's DX10 hideous game performance.
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but but but...lord of the rings online looks so godamn pretty in dx10....

to be honest i am one of those who got the dual boot working flawlessly, i run my 64 bit stuff on vista 64 and my 32 bit stuff and most games on xp. i love them both and use them both roughly equally so sp3 and sp1 respectively are both a blessing for me.

admittedly it would be nice if game performance was better in vista, i mean stuff that my system is overkill for runs great (shadowrun/city of heroes/bioshock) but stuff like crysis runs like ass in vista.

i will say vista 64 + 3ds max 64 is a wonderful combination, and worth the price of admission
 
Well, increase DX10 performance a lot more then I'll I'd be more than happy to game with Vista. via better DX10 graphics cards, drivers, OS improvments..doesn't matter.
 
I've been running the RC of SP1 for a while now and it's great. File operations are much faster, networking is better, UAC is less annoying, and the system doesn't thrash the HDD nearly as much as it used to.

I think you guys will like SP1 when it's released.
 
It's too bad the RC1 borked my copy of Vista. I'm going to wait till it officially comes out before I download it.
 
ICOM said:
Honestly, most XP users could really give a rats arse about Vista. All I care about is getting SP3 for XP. We don't even need it but it's nice to be able to incorporate it into a new bootable XP CD.

Vista "users" are such an easy target and we enjoy getting your panties in a bind. So you dumped a great OS (XP) for a new and problematic OS and you're out $200+. Can you make it any easier for us to tease you?
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Been using Vista Since May '07 now in Iraq with very limited Internet to download updates, and have had very few problems. The only ones I can note are limit to 10 TCP connections (i share out 600GB on a GigE network with 100+ users), and the annoying prompt for admin rights. Been able to play Crysis, WIC, Bioshock, and many other games w/o problems. NMAP is working.

A computer is only as useful as it's user makes it. Everyone complains about something.
 
I've waited this whole time for SP1 to upgrade, so all of you who like Vista in its current state should give fair opinions about any improvement (w/ sp1). I'm really curious :D
 
Vista came on my laptop (swore that I would not look Vista until SP1 came out but I had to get a new laptop and Vista was preinstalled). So my hand was forced, despite me being wary due to all the Vista haters.

Figured I would give Vista a whirl for a while, and if I hated it then I would just get an enterprise version of xp.

Used the RTM build of Vista for a week or so, and then installed SP1 RC and found that it "seemed" faster...and certainly, network performance was much better.

Decided that I would keep using Vista...my laptop runs it fine (C2D, 2GB, 128mb 2400HD), and I can get familiar with Vista so that when I have to fix an issue for someone running Vista, I will have some more familiarity than those who are used to XP.
 
L33t Masta said:
Network and Sharing center is very easy to use and it provides more information that can be recognized faster. ...<snip>.
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I'm certain that is exactly what Microsoft wanted it to be! But in the process of making it "easy to use", they killed some of the power and functionality. In any case it doesn't matter for me anymore. I'm reverting to Windows XP, for the short term (think 9-12 months). And have decided that I'll do whatever it takes to successfully transition to Linux.

One of the primary factors keeping me tied to Windows was gaming. Now that I've experienced what next-gen consoles can do, I think I can finally let go. My life will just be so much better without the frustration of a Microsoft OS (and NO I don't think Windows 7 will be any better...).
 
How many people said that they were waiting on SP1? As if it was the final say it Vista's fate? I could not wait to dump WinMe, and after a year on Win2000 I was drooling for XP. Sure, there were some issues, but nothing like what I've seen on Vista. And what is most important to me are two questions:

1. Do you need it? Or are you just seduced by that Aero interface?

2. What the hell is the Trusted Installer?

Honestly, it doesn't bother me so much that there are problems with the new OS, it bothers me that MS won't even say what these programs do, let alone fix them!

I had it running for a month before I had to bail. If it works for you, then great, more power to you. But, I fix these things all the time and I have to keep telling people that sometimes Vista just doesn't work. Period.

And that network sharing center is just another screen that I need to go through to get to where I can configure my network connection. It's in the way. But maybe SP2 will streamline some of these control windows like XP SP2 did. "netsh winsock reset" the Security Center, and "view wireless networks" are just some of the things that improved over time with XP.

I rather liked the XP SP2. I think I'll wait for that in Vista. Unlike Win98, I don't have a compelling reason to "upgrade." Do you really NEED to upgrade just because you can? "ooh but Crysis..." I don't play games until they are a year old. I'm tired of the sky high graphics card requirements, so I wait until the cards are more affordable, and the games have had several patches.

I don't want to Beta test everything you know, especially not the OS I use to WORK, or RELAX. Either I don't get any work done, or I never relax. So it's no wonder we get bitchy sometimes. :rolleyes:
 
L33t Masta said:
But if I don't bait them how do I exploit the enevitable flame war that would ensue for my own enjoyment?
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True:D

personally, I love Vista. great game performance and much faster (and stable!) than XP:) only complain is slow file transfers, which SP1 will fix. so yes, I'm happy:p
 
This is fairly maddening that Vista SP1 may already be out on Torrent sites and I can not get it from MS yet. I need to deploy some SP1 systems for software testing and they are just sitting on a bench next to me, waiting for an official patch which could take a while... :rolleyes:
 
Somebody is unable to use windows without getting frustrated and wants to switch to Linux. That would be fun to watch. Damn device just works when i connect it to windows, this is bull sh*t. I want it to be like linux where i have to hunt down 20 libraries and then modify some driver config file for the device to partly work. Stupid windows making everything so d@mn easy to do.


ocellaris, that isn't the real SP1, it is just the last RC release rebranded as final.


verteron, Vista is not a beta, it works just fine as is.
 
Exavior said:
Somebody is unable to use windows without getting frustrated and wants to switch to Linux. That would be fun to watch. Damn device just works when i connect it to windows, this is bull sh*t. I want it to be like linux where i have to hunt down 20 libraries and then modify some driver config file for the device to partly work. Stupid windows making everything so d@mn easy to do.


ocellaris, that isn't the real SP1, it is just the last RC release rebranded as final.


verteron, Vista is not a beta, it works just fine as is.
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Exactly. Why would you give up full compatibility for something that will partially work? it's like the saying goes "Linux is for cheapskates and slow computers".
 
Hardly.

Not everyone who computes plays games. Linux is well used in the scientific community due to its unsurpassed computing power, portability, and flexibility. The beauty of open source is that it is there for anybody to modify, not just because it is free. There are hundreds of specialized applications built by researchers around the world (astronomy, information technology, chemistry, physics, engineering, linguistics, biology, ...). In many fields, Linux seems like "the only" operating system in existence.

Windows is for those people who don't have the knowledge, or perhaps the time, to learn the intricacies of computing.
 
Windows is for those people who don't have the knowledge, or perhaps the time, to learn the intricacies of computing.
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Can we stop it with the flame bait? Most notably the stupid generalizations about user of one OS or another. I'm a Windows user and I use it because I think it's a great OS, not because I'm stupid. I could figure out Linux, but I don't, because Windows works great for me.
 
I didn't mean to imply that windows users are stupid. That is why I included the "don't have the time" statement. I was merely annoyed by L33t Masta's comment.
 
Yeah, Vista is fine for everything else BUT gaming. STALKER on XP - avg. 120fps... same game, same settings on Vista - avg. 45 with horrid frame drops all the time.

I still got Vista on my laptop though. Until the gaming performance in Vista is at least equal to that of XP, I'm not going back.
 
Well... I don't know why a lot of you people seem to have gaming performance issues with Vista.... I sure don't.

Yeah.. when Vista was first released and there was almost no driver support. But it is a completely different story now.
 
I guess once my Server 2008 RC1 runs out at the end of June it's gonna be back to that Crappy XP home edition that was on my laptop,I sincerely hope I'll be able to get a good deal on Server 2008 by then(those that can get it(RTM) now via MSDN shamey on you LOL)
 
Well... if the Vista SP1 on the torrent sites (I found the SP1 update only) is the real final deal, MS is going to need to release some updates real quick like.

#1 Vista still shows my CPU as running @ 4.14Ghz

#2 Vista now pops up an error when after it loads saying that something stopped the Windows Defender Service from running. I know I have it disabled.. but I even tried re-enabling it and then going into Security Center and manually turning it off, and then disableing it again and it still pops up with the error. Me thinks something isn't being set properly in the registry. Also.. trying to set the Windows Defender Service to "Automatic(Delayed Start)" pops up an error message that says that it has incorrect parameters.


I'll post more if I run into anything else.
 
OldDeadOne said:
I guess once my Server 2008 RC1 runs out at the end of June it's gonna be back to that Crappy XP home edition that was on my laptop,I sincerely hope I'll be able to get a good deal on Server 2008 by then(those that can get it(RTM) now via MSDN shamey on you LOL)
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1) why are you running a server OS instead of a desktop OS?

2) funny one thinking you will get a good deal on it. Server 2003 standard runs you a little under a grand. Enterprise runs you about $4000. I would expect the pricing of 2008 to be the same or maybe a tad more like it is with Vista and XP. Either way its not really a "good deal" for something to run at home for no reason at all expecially to run on a laptop.



cyclone3d, never seen that in the RC builds. I actually couldn't find a single bug with the RC build, i've been running it on my work box since the day it came out. Sounds like you got a bad install or something from what ever site you pulled it off of. Although when it comes to something like a service pack I'm not sure I would trust a torrent site as you don't really know what you are geting, although I also wouldn't trust it for pirating an OS but that doesn't stop others from doing it.
 
Yeah.. I dunno, I hadn't seen the weird Windows Defender issue before either. I think it might have happened because I had disabled the Windows Defender service and the Security Center service before installing SP1.

From what I can tell.. it is not a "hacked" version of SP1.

The whole shows my processor as 4.14Ghz is the same thing pre-SP1 Vista was doing.
 
tacosareveryyummy said:
I didn't mean to imply that windows users are stupid. That is why I included the "don't have the time" statement. I was merely annoyed by L33t Masta's comment.
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Yeah, I was annoyed by his comment as well.

But your post seems to imply that Linux is better at everything if you have the time/knowledge/resources to set it up, and I disagree with that.
 
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