Pendulum swinging AMD's way?

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Interesting article about supply of 8800GTs vs. HD3850/3870.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34818/118/


Culver City (CA) - On October 29th Nvidia introduced its GeForce 8800GT targeting the mid-range enthusiast segment. Demand has been high and within days the shelves of retailers were emptied of the cards. Two weeks later we are still in the same situation. Although a new shipment hit the stores last night, this supply appears to be limited. After our initial probe into the premium on the new product we unearthed more information regarding supplies.

In conversations with industry sources, 40,000 units of the GeForce 8800GT have shipped worldwide. To put these volume numbers into perspective, other sources have stated that AMD has already fulfilled orders for 250,000 of its Radeon HD 3850 and 3870 models for its launch later this week. It was stated that an additional 150,000 will ship before year end. Prices for 3800 series cards should ship between $180-220.

Sources told TG Daily that performance difference between AMD and Nvidia’s newest cards are within 10% in some cases and on par in other metrics. If AMD can deliver a high performance part for 2/3 the cost in volume, it could mean the graphics pendulum is about to swing the other direction. With holiday shopping ramping up, a lack of supply and new competition, Nvidia might be getting a lump of coal in its stocking this year.
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Sr7 said:
Way more than 40k GT's have been sold... WAY more.
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While that might be true, you need to minus 1 from me since the shipping date is way too long so I've just cancelled the order and preordered an HD3870 instead :D
 
SpeedyVV said:
Interesting article about supply of 8800GTs vs. HD3850/3870.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34818/118/
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If ATi/ AMD is supposed to beable to flood the market with these parts, they better get off their collective asses and start building them. I see no reason to believe the V670 will outperform the G92 in any application. The only advantage will be DX 10.1 support, and no one knows if the cards will even be able to perform at all in that environment. By the time DX10.1 is in the application market, nVidia will have released a DX10.1 part.
 
alg7_munif said:
While that might be true, you need to minus 1 from me since the shipping date is way too long so I've just cancelled the order and preordered an HD3870 instead :D
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They haven't even sent reference parts to reviewers yet, and you pre-ordered one....brilliant.:rolleyes:
 
for all the people saying that noone is going to buy the card because the 8800gt is faster, well what about the 8800gts? how many people saved some $ and got the GTX instead? and GTX->Ultra? the price diff now is what $60-70? people still get the GTX instead to save a bit :p
 
misleading and inaccurate conclusions in the thread subjects based upon ZERO evidence for the win.
 
lol too funny.


the new amd card has other advantages over the GT, less power, less heat are the 2 main ones that come to mind, which do matter for some people.
 
MrGuvernment said:
lol too funny.


the new amd card has other advantages over the GT, less power, less heat are the 2 main ones that come to mind, which do matter for some people.
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Don't forget less Performance, Don't have A REAL idea on how the card will performance in dx10 let alone dx10.1
 
Interesting that folks are arguing about performance.

The way I read the article is one of a supply problem. If nvidia is having production problems, then I think that is what the article is refering to.

Besides, the general public will go to a store and buy what is available and recommended. And stores will not tell a potential customer, "wait, the nvdia is superior. Come back when it is available.".

I pesonally find it hard to believe that nvidia would be cought with their pants down for the holiday season, with no supply, but it will be interesting to see.
 
Pretty big conclusion to jump to from an article that talks about supply issues and not necessarily card performance.

But anyways, for all the doubters, we'll see in a week whether or not this is true. And who is to say 40,000 only is all that have been shipped? Unless you can prove otherwise really, it would account for all the stock that's been low and hard to get
 
It would be nice for AMD to finally get something right again cause we dont want a one sided battle here but I have begun to lose ,my faith in them.....almost ready to build my first Intel rig since my last P2 350MHZ.....
 
My personal computer buying rules

Rule #1 If a product is the best available, places like [H]ardforum, and it's users are the authority, not the companies themselves.

Rule #2 If a company has to issue a press release counteracting public opinion to tell us how great their product is, and how it outsells/outperforms the competitor.... It's a lie.


Rule #3 If you have more than an 8th grade education, and you cannot fully understand WTF you just read on someones product literature... it's probably bullshit.
 
[RIP]Zeus;1031657723 said:
Don't forget less Performance, Don't have A REAL idea on how the card will performance in dx10 let alone dx10.1
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Reviews are out there and for the price drop , less power comsumption the performance gap is pretty close.
 
This ought to be interesting in the next few weeks. I was thinking of using the step up program to get an 8800GT, but with the HD3870 coming out, maybe I'll wait and run two in crossfire. I kind of like the cool, low power consumption thing...
 
fcuk it, let them hold those cards (if they truly are) they are losing money not us, once AMD will have theirs in stock GT will be priced at its MSRP not couple dozen bucks more to stay competitive... 180-220 bucks for a similar (if those early benchies are true) performance looks quite good.
 
I hope that AMD/ATi do come through with this hard launch. If performance is nearish to the GT levels and the heat/noise are as low as early (disputable?) leaks suggest, I'll be ordering a 3870 this week.
 
LabRat said:
I hope that AMD/ATi do come through with this hard launch. If performance is nearish to the GT levels and the heat/noise are as low as early (disputable?) leaks suggest, I'll be ordering a 3870 this week.
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I don't know where people are getting that this chip will be cooler, I mean from what I have read it's a 105w TPD while the G92 is 110w.
 
*boggle*

Why do people talk about how they like the low power and heat, then want to run two or more of them to get better performance...

Why not just buy a single hotter more power hungry higher performance card? :confused:
 
because two rv3870 wil be faster than a 8800gt? and cost about the same as a gtx (maybe a bit more)?

i am thinking of getting one, but i have to see how it performs against the 2900xt in 1920x1200 in single card formation as i don't have my xfire board ...yet....

but right now in Canada, 8800gt is pipe dream at this point for availability. hopefully, more will come!!
 
May as well add in the fact that most [H] enthusiasts also put an aftermarket cooler on the GT's. I have 7 friends close by that just could not stand the noise those cards made when cranked up higher than 50'ish %. So "IF" the AMD cards are cooler stock that would also be another consideration on which card to choose.
 
pfunkman said:
I dont care about how their new crop compares to the #2 card on the market. Until they can top the GTX i will remain unimpressed.

I want to see competition at the highest level not competition for number 2.
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amen
 
Deliximus said:
because two rv3870 wil be faster than a 8800gt? and cost about the same as a gtx (maybe a bit more)?

i am thinking of getting one, but i have to see how it performs against the 2900xt in 1920x1200 in single card formation as i don't have my xfire board ...yet....

but right now in Canada, 8800gt is pipe dream at this point for availability. hopefully, more will come!!
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Well duh 2x New card will be faster than 1x New card in the same price range.. the problem is you are spending 2x Money and not getting 2x Performance. Also the reason these look like good buys are because no new high end has been released since the ULTRA, and its basically a super OCed card from Nov 2006. If both NV and ATI released new high end cards and not just mid-range ones price wise, people wouldn't have to buy 2-4 of them to get good performance in games like Crysis.
 
pfunkman said:
I dont care about how their new crop compares to the #2 card on the market. Until they can top the GTX i will remain unimpressed.

I want to see competition at the highest level not competition for number 2.
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but many people want to see competition in number 2 unlike you
 
eric66 said:
but many people want to see competition in number 2 unlike you
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Why? You want the market to become stale? The only reason the 8800GT is succesfull is its price if it cost more than the GTS 640 it wouldnt be near as popular. you cant release slower cards forever the market will become dead.

I want to see both ATI and Nvidia advancing in technology and making faster cards for us. Cheap cards are great but for how long do you think that will keep people happy?
 
pfunkman said:
I dont care about how their new crop compares to the #2 card on the market. Until they can top the GTX i will remain unimpressed.

I want to see competition at the highest level not competition for number 2.
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QFT :(
 
vick1000 said:
I don't know where people are getting that this chip will be cooler, I mean from what I have read it's a 105w TPD while the G92 is 110w.
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VRZone, for instance, had tests showing very low temps in comparison to the 8800GT while running benchmarks. Whether these numbers were real remains to be seen. Their comments indicated low noise too.

jmackay said:
*boggle*

Why do people talk about how they like the low power and heat, then want to run two or more of them to get better performance...

Why not just buy a single hotter more power hungry higher performance card? :confused:
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Are you responding to me? I want low noise and low heat for my HTPC. I don't want 2 cards, currently.

pfunkman said:
I dont care about how their new crop compares to the #2 card on the market. Until they can top the GTX i will remain unimpressed.

I want to see competition at the highest level not competition for number 2.
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I care about the midrange very much since that is what I often buy. But I would like competition top to bottom. Midrange competition is a good start.
 
LabRat said:
I care about the midrange very much since that is what I often buy. But I would like competition top to bottom. Midrange competition is a good start.
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If there was healthy competition the 8800GTX would be "mid range" by now. The 8800GT does a good job of covering mid-high range but my point is if there was real competition for the top spot we would have better cards by now in all categories.

But hey if your willing to settle for more of the same every year thats fine by me but it dont make much sense. Usually the current midrange parts are = to last years high end and thats really not the case right now because of the lack of competition.
 
pfunkman said:
If there was healthy competition the 8800GTX would be "mid range" by now. The 8800GT does a good job of covering mid-high range but my point is if there was real competition for the top spot we would have better cards by now in all categories.

But hey if your willing to settle for more of the same every year thats fine by me but it dont make much sense. Usually the current midrange parts are = to last years high end and thats really not the case right now because of the lack of competition.
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8800gt is pretty darn close to 8800gtx =\
 
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