Wait for the Penryns?

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Hey,
Just want some input from you guys.
I am in need of a computer fast...my computer is too old and way too slow.
Had it for more than 5 years!

Anyways, should I wait for the penryns to become mainstream or should I just go ahead and build a Q6600 system.

Thanks!
 
i would :D its only a couple of months before the lower ones are readily available.
 
Go ahead and build now with a x38 chipset if you want with a q6600, then when the right penryn comes along than snatch it up then sell off, trade or build another machine with the Q6600.

Just a thought if you need to build now.
 
waited 5 years, might as well wait another 2 months and actually be running some new tech for once ;)
 
5 years? Holy shit that must be a pentium 3 or something?

i have to ask, if u were able to get by with an aged proc for 5 years... why do you all of the sudden need the latest and greatest? can't you get by with an X2 or Core 2 duo?
 
Im going to wait for the penryns before any major build or upgrade.

from the look of it they'll be worth it.
 
Do not wait. Penryns are nice, but not game changers over a Q6600. Buy now and enjoy! There will always be something better on the horizon.
 
I know I'm waiting for Penryn. I'm going to be upgrading from my AMD 3700+, Asus A8N-SLI Premium, 7800GT, and 1GB of RAM. I'm pretty sure I can wait a little longer :cool:
 
Since your computer will be used as a toy (if you really needed to do essential work on a computer, your ass would have been fired by now), then I recommend you just pick up an allendale or a q6600. The cpu just isn't a limiting factor in games anymore.

I can guarantee that a stock e6300 will not limit you in any games; it won't make any games play any faster because that's the video card's job. Likewise, A 3ghz quad core won't make your games play any faster. It won't even help you multi task faster and anyone who pulls up the video encoding/ virus scanning while gaming argument is a retard. The hard drive will most likely be the limiting component in that scenario.
 
DeFex said:
i would :D its only a couple of months before the lower ones are readily available.
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Agreed and then some !! As the lower end models are only a few months away,max,I'd wait for sure,if,I was looking at building a new box in the coming weeks.
 
fluxion said:
waited 5 years, might as well wait another 2 months and actually be running some new tech for once ;)
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Waited five years, might as well wait for nehelem. ;)

I say buy it now because as GlimmerMan pointed out, you said you needed a computer fast. Penryn is a die shrink, it won't change the world..
 
I've it's really been 5yrs or so since your last upgrade, then I'd definitely wait a couple months and get the latest and greatest. Somebody always says, "there's always something on the horizon" and it's true, but these are a real close horizon.
 
build a nice system around a P35 motherboard that will support Penryn, and just throw a "cheap" E2180 (+ overclock it a little to like 3Ghz) in there for now. This will hold you over 6+ months until 12Mb 45nm quads really become cheap.
 
Thanks for the replies.
Appreciate it.

Yea my computer is a P4 lol

The sudden need of a fast computer is that this thing is way too slow even with daily tasks now too and also.........i want to play crysis lol (game looks AMAZING) :eek:

like some of you said, since I waited for 5 years, what is another 2 months or so.
needing it fast is just that i can't take this sluggish computer anymore! but i can wait.

I would love to build a x38 with a q6600 now and then build another or sell the q6600 when the penryn's come out, but thats more money and more loss too. im guessing the q6600 will drop in price when the penryns come out so selling it would be bad. but maybe like Monkey_feces said that the processors don't really matter much, then which is good, cause i am hoping that the release of penryns would drop the prices on the q6600's...hoping. since im kind of on a budget.

anyways, looking foward to this new build finally!


thanks for the replies again.
 
I would wait for the Penryns Q9300 which is basically the Q6600 on 45nm which equals lower heat/power and higher overclock.
 
NMR Guy said:
Do not wait. Penryns are nice, but not game changers over a Q6600. Buy now and enjoy! There will always be something better on the horizon.
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QFT! Go ahead and enjoy yourself, because no matter how much you wait, something better will always be around the corner.
 
LOCO LAPTOP

I upgrade every 2-3 years, my previous CPU was an AMD64 3500+, Sapphire X850XT PE, and before that AMD Athlon XP 2800+ (I think), Gigabyte 9600Pro or XT lol.
 
Proxy said:
QFT! Go ahead and enjoy yourself, because no matter how much you wait, something better will always be around the corner.
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Yep, its true. Thats why I said just build now.

Slap an E2180 in there, its cheap fast, and will overclock to 3+Ghz easily. That will power any game you need to play for now. And down the road you can upgrade to a quad when its really need for cheap.
 
gwai lo said:
Waited five years, might as well wait for nehelem. ;)

I say buy it now because as GlimmerMan pointed out, you said you needed a computer fast. Penryn is a die shrink, it won't change the world..
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haha, well i do understand that the "wait for ___" is a cycle that can continue indefinetely, but i think when the new tech is 2 months away, and the successor easilly 5-6 months beyond that, it's not a bad idea to wait and ride the top of the technology curve for a half a year. its a good feeling :p

but it should be noted that reduced heat/power consumption is a major draw to me. for someone who doesnt really care, you're not gonna be getting many benefits by waiting for Penryn. in that case might as well scoop up a q6600 or something
 
Proxy said:
QFT! Go ahead and enjoy yourself, because no matter how much you wait, something better will always be around the corner.
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True, but when you upgrade, you should always ask yourself, "How close is that corner?" In this case, it's pretty close.
 
I think I'm gonna wait for a q9450 so I get the bigger cache memory and the 8x multiplier for OC. That is unless the new Phenoms OC really well with a good price/performance.
 
ThR!LL said:
I know I'm waiting for Penryn. I'm going to be upgrading from my AMD 3700+, Asus A8N-SLI Premium, 7800GT, and 1GB of RAM. I'm pretty sure I can wait a little longer :cool:
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Yep, I have the same and I'm waiting.

I vote wait!

:D
 
i have a mobile athlon XP running at 2.7ghz with a geforce 3....

and i'm waiting :cool: team fortress 2 runs smooth as hell on this rig, so does UT2004... and those can tide me over until a 8800gtx killer arrives at a price less than 250..... that is what i'm waiting for :)
 
Question 1)
- Q6600 Starts processing Nov 13th 2007
- Penryn Starts processing Feb 1st 2008

Part a) When will the Penryn catch the processing of the Q6600, if the Q6600 leaves the station right now?
Part b) How much fun will you have with the Q6600 while others wait for the the Penryn?
Part c) What will the Penryn be able to do when released that the Q6600 wont be able to do right now?

Anyways, I am struggling with this myself. I am thinking more and more to get an E6750 for now ($190) instead of the q6600 ($270), and then wait for the Penryn or maye even for the next bext thing after Penryn, like tock vs tick.
 
Here's your new dilema.

If you wait until say Feb.'ish for a reasonably priced Penryn, you might not find stock til Mar. Then Intel's new architecture which will be a HUGE advance will be right around the corner. So you're going to want to wait again!! :)

Remember Intel's "tick tock" strategy.

Lets look at it:
TICK # 1: they perfected the 65nm process with P4 & Pentium D's. (just a shrink + cache)
TOCK # 1: they make Core 2 Duo (new architecture) leaps & bounds forward, then slap 2 of them on a die for Quad still part of the tock.

TICK # 2: they perfect the 45nm with a shrink of Core2 ie: Penryn. (simple shrink + more cache)
TOCK # 2: Nehamlen (sp?) will have an integrated memory controller. Remember how big of an advance it was for AMD to go from Athlon XP to Hammer?! Its was almost all due to the on-die memory controlller.

So TOCK # 2, I think is going to be HUGE!!

My complete guess: We'll start over again back down to 2 1/2 Ghz range. Like when Pentium D / 4 went to 65nm, they had it cranked up to near 4Ghz.
Core 2 is now capable (though not stock clocked yet) of 4 Ghz with 45nm. Now they're going to go with a new even higher IPC core with an integrated memory controller, we'll probably
be back down to 2Ghz'ish, but the chips will be like 50-100% faster clock for clock.
 
Good point, Nehalem should be a monster.

If you can upgrade regularly, or dont mind getting something now, and selling it later to upgrade to something else, I dont see why you wouldnt get a q6600 now.

I just bought one and sold my e6700 just because the resale value on those was getting so low. So when the q9550 comes out, I can sell this, and make the move to penryn.

So basically ask yourself how often to i want to upgrade from here on out? Once a year? Twice? Once in 5 years?

If its once a year, go q6600 now, then nehalem next year. If you dont mind upgrading more often, stick a penryn in the mix too. If its gonna be another 5 years, well you may as well buy the q6600 and wait it out.
 
chrisf6969 said:
Here's your new dilema.

If you wait until say Feb.'ish for a reasonably priced Penryn, you might not find stock til Mar. Then Intel's new architecture which will be a HUGE advance will be right around the corner. So you're going to want to wait again!! :)
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you probably dont have to worry about that... Intel has no need to push the new arch.... and I foresee its release being pushed back if Phenom is a flop
 
osalcido said:
you probably dont have to worry about that... Intel has no need to push the new arch.... and I foresee its release being pushed back if Phenom is a flop
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They won't push it back. They're on a set schedule, and I believe them when they say things. Intel has RARELY been off on its deadlines (unlike AMD), especially lately. In fact, they've been early for most of their recent releases.
 
SpeedyVV said:
Question 1)
- Q6600 Starts processing Nov 13th 2007
- Penryn Starts processing Feb 1st 2008

Part a) When will the Penryn catch the processing of the Q6600, if the Q6600 leaves the station right now?
Part b) How much fun will you have with the Q6600 while others wait for the the Penryn?
Part c) What will the Penryn be able to do when released that the Q6600 wont be able to do right now?

Anyways, I am struggling with this myself. I am thinking more and more to get an E6750 for now ($190) instead of the q6600 ($270), and then wait for the Penryn or maye even for the next bext thing after Penryn, like tock vs tick.
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a) The Penryn will quickly gain ground, nearly surpassing the Q6600... Until it is discovered the new Penryns were rushed to market and they melt into a puddle of silicon goo after a couple of months of service. The Penryn sadly dies an untimely death and never surpasses the mighty Q6600

b) $280 dollars worth of fun

c) Quickly assimilates lifeforms to immediately become the dominate non-lifeform that rules over the inferior category "lifeforms".
 
wow thanks for all the replies guys.
i guess its a hard decision for me at least.
i don't really upgrade that much...im still on a P4 and get this im still on AGP! :eek:

so if i do this upgrade i probably won't for another 3 years or so.
but maybe i'll get into upgrading it more often each year.

still got some thinkin but right now, im leaning towards waiting a bit more.
beside the 8800gt can't be found anywhere right now too.

again, thanks for the replies.
 
Remember when the q6600 first came out? like $500 or so?

I'd say go with a low-end C2D, and then upgrade when the penryn has been out for a month or two.
 
It may be a good idea to plan your upgrade in Jan '08 or early Feb and then go for the best bang/buck at that time.
That should be the Q6600 I think, as they would be a little cheaper by then (I hope) or maybe a cheaper Quad Penryn would be released.

Unless you are looking for 45nm core in which case waiting for Nehalem would make more sense ;)
 
ahh im going through this thought process right now... I'm one of those that uses a computer for 5 years because right now I'm using a HP Pavilion 750n. Pentium 4 1.6GHz, 512mb RAM, NVIDIA Riva TNT2 32mb video card FTW!! so any upgrade I get will be a huge boost :D
 
Wait you've waited 5 years, couple months isn't going to kill you.
 
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