The 'new' G92 GTS is probably going to beat the 'new' GT.

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FYI - The 'new' G92 GTS is probably going to beat the 'new' GT.

As the new GeForce 8800 GT generally outpaces the existing GeForce 8800 GTS, the new GeForce 8800 GTS will likely surpass NVIDIA's high-end GeForce 8800 GTX and potentially GeForce 8800 Ultra.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9474

How to identify the difference.

OLD 8800 GTS (320MB or 640MB)
NEW 8800 GTS (512MB or 1024MB)

G92 has 256-bit, and the current 8800gts has 320-bit.
 
They really should have named the series the 8900

gg confusing everyone Nvidia
 
I don't think any of that is true Re: 8800gts, as Evga / BFG have already released higher SP 8800gts 640mb cards.

Going from 320bit / 640mb to 256bit / 512 and keeping the same name would make 0 sense.
 
Interesting - but even if it is better it wont have an MSRP of 250 or less :( And someone in marketing needs to be fired for these retarded naming schemes.
 
Given that the G92 usually has 128SP and 16 were disabled for the 8800GT and it was underclocked (as in its RAM is rated for 2GHz but its set at 1.8GHz, etc.), I'm not surprised that Nvidia pulls this again and has the "full" version of the card waiting around... question is though, will they actually do a new GTX or will it just be a GX2 sometime early next year?
 
ZerazaX said:
Given that the G92 usually has 128SP and 16 were disabled for the 8800GT and it was underclocked (as in its RAM is rated for 2GHz but its set at 1.8GHz, etc.)...
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my question is whether or not the extra SP's are disabled via lazer cutting the traces on the chip or are they disabled through the card bios. If the latter is true it may be possible to unlock the extra SP's
 
Great hardware and ever sucking naming schemes. :eek:

One would think they got it right in time, but no, it just seems to be too hard to come up with deacent product names. Still no biggie as it is the hardware that really matters.
 
The new GTS is not based on g92, its still based on g80 but only with 112 stream processors and it has 320bit bus not 256 and comes with 640mb of ram not 512.
 
Stoly said:
The new GTS is not based on g92, its still based on g80 but only with 112 stream processors and it has 320bit bus not 256 and comes with 640mb of ram not 512.
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NO. perhaps you should read the article before replying. there is supposedly going to be one based on the G92 around December.

"Yet NVIDIA isn't done yet. A G92-derivative will appear later this year with even more shader units. According to company guidance, the new G92 will launch in early December and feature 128 shader units as opposed to the 112 featured on GeForce 8800 GT. "
 
That would take stupid to a whole new level.

Remember they have already confused a great number of people in recent days with the supposedly new G92 8800GTS.

Which turned out to be G80 GTS with 112 SP.

I have a hard time to believe Nvidia is releasing:

8800 GTS (G80) 320mb 96sp
8800 GTS (G80) 640mb 96sp
8800 GTS (G80) 640mb 112sp
and next:
8800 GTS (G92) 512mb 128sp
8800 GTS (G92) 1024mb 128sp

I think a lot more likely that the rumor mongers got their info confused.

Otherwise why even Name cards anymore. Just call the all NVidia GC (graphics card)...

After going all fubar on the Naming Nvidia should make an official statement otherwise people will be waiting for the 8800 GTS G90 with 256sp 2Gig memory.
 
really?, you should read the BFG press release that Brent posted on the 8800GT review

UPDATE - 10/29/07-8:29am: A very interesting addendum to this. I just got off the phone with BFG Tech and NVIDIA has been doing some strange things lately. As of this morning, the GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB (unsure on the 320MB) will have its stream processors officially increased to 112, the same as the GT. This should put the GTS back ahead of the GT as per the paper specs. However, the separation in the products is still going to be very small except for those of you wanting to run high resolutions with AA turned on. To do that you are still going to need a $400+ video card..or so. Our new spec GTS is on the way to us now and we will of course be updating you. Given the GT's faster clocks and possibly larger texture unit, we will have to wait and see. Undoubtedly though, the 8800 GT remains a stellar value at the expected price points.
 
toyota582 said:
NO. perhaps you should read the article before replying. there is supposedly going to be one based on the G92 around December.

"Yet NVIDIA isn't done yet. A G92-derivative will appear later this year with even more shader units. According to company guidance, the new G92 will launch in early December and feature 128 shader units as opposed to the 112 featured on GeForce 8800 GT. "
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Then why did EVGA and BFG already release new 8800gts models @ 640mb? Stop posting rumor as fact.
 
Snowdog said:
That would take stupid to a whole new level.

Remember they have already confused a great number of people in recent days with the supposedly new G92 8800GTS.

Which turned out to be G80 GTS with 112 SP.

I think a lot more likely that the rumor mongers got their info confused.

Otherwise why even Name cards anymore. Just call the all NVidia GC (graphics card)...

After going all fubar on the Naming Nvidia should make an official statement otherwise people will be waiting for the 8800 GTS G90 with 256sp 2Gig memory.
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and yet people were called rumor mongers the last few weeks before the 8800gt was released. nobody would have imagined an 8800gt being released with its current name and specs. a G92 based 8800gts with more shaders is actually a sensible sounding product.
 
toyota582 said:
and yet people were called rumor mongers the last few weeks before the 8800gt was released. nobody would have imagine an 8800gt being released with its current name and specs. a G92 based 8800gts with more shaders is actually a sensible sounding product.
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Sure, except Evga / BFG have already released their new 8800gts's.
 
jmackay said:
Then why did EVGA and BFG already release new 8800gts models @ 640mb? Stop posting rumor as fact.
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what does that have to to do with todays article? this thread is about the DailyTech article not what I think is rumor or not.
 
jmackay said:
Sure, except Evga / BFG have already released their new 8800gts's.
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what the heck does that have to do with a possible G92 based 8800gts coming out December? surely you have enough sense to figure out that Nvidia is trying to dump the G80 cores first.
 
toyota582 said:
what the heck does that have to do with a possible G92 based 8800gts coming out December? surely you have enough sense to figure out that Nvidia is trying to dump the G80 cores first.
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Because why would NV release 5+ models with the same name?

8800gts:
320mb, 640mb, 640mb (96+ Shaders), 512 (112+ shaders), 1gb (112+ shaders)

They would use a new name if its based off G92.
 
jmackay said:
Because why would NV release 5+ models with the same name?

8800gts:
320mb, 640mb, 640mb (96+ Shaders), 512 (112+ shaders), 1gb (112+ shaders)

They would use a new name if its based off G92.
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I agree it will be confusing as hell to the uninformed consumer but who says that is not going to get a different name? surely there will have to be some sort of change to the 8800gts designation for a G92 version.
 
toyota582 said:
what the heck does that have to do with a possible G92 based 8800gts coming out December? surely you have enough sense to figure out that Nvidia is trying to dump the G80 cores first.
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What it has to do, is that common sense suggests that they are confused like all the other sites were yesterday about G92 8800 GTS cards. The difference is other sites have now printed retractions about their mistake.

There will almost certainly be a 128SP G92 derivative at some point. Calling it yet again the 8800GTS would be the height of stupidity.

So right now. DT being confused makes much more sense than the veracity of their rumor.
 
Snowdog said:
What it has to do, is that common sense suggests that they are confused like all the other sites were yesterday about G92 8800 GTS cards. The difference is other sites have now printed retractions about their mistake.

There will almost certainly be a 128SP G92 derivative at some point. Calling it yet again the 8800GTS would be the height of stupidity.

So right now. DT being confused makes much more sense than the veracity of their rumor.
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whats stopping Nvidia from actually changing the name?...nothing. who knows what it will actually be called when and if it comes out.
 
Snowdog said:
8800 GTS (G80) 320mb 96sp
8800 GTS (G80) 640mb 96sp
8800 GTS (G80) 640mb 112sp
and next:
8800 GTS (G92) 512mb 128sp
8800 GTS (G92) 1024mb 128sp
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Sounds right. They had to increase the shaders on the current G80 GTS or else they wouldn't be able to clear out inventory.

The new GTS will have 128sp and GT has 112sp. So that's about 12.5% more sp power. How does that translate into real world performance?
 
toyota582 said:
whats stopping Nvidia from actually changing the name?...nothing. who knows what it will actually be called when and if it comes out.
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Wtf are you talking about.. the whole discussion here is about the rumor of a G92 8800gts. We are calling BS on the site as NV would be nuts to name another 8800gts part.

Sure they will be more cards coming out based off G92, but it will most likely have absolutely nothing to do with the 8800gts.
 
jmackay said:
Wtf are you talking about.. the whole discussion here is about the rumor of a G92 8800gts. We are calling BS on the site as NV would be nuts to name another 8800gts part.

Sure they will be more cards coming out based off G92, but it will most likely have absolutely nothing to do with the 8800gts.
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well if its the same G92 core as the 8800GT than I doubt the name would be drastically different. I AGREE with you that continuing to call it the 8800GTS with the new core would be crazy.
 
toyota582 said:
well if its the same G92 core as the 8800GT than I doubt the name would be drastically different. I AGREE with you that continuing to call it the 8800GTS with the new core would be crazy.
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personally I think they should have named the 8800gt the 8900gt then named the 112sp 8800gts the 8900gts then when the g92 based 128sp 8800gts is released it should be called the 8950gts....but its somewhat too late for that
 
King_Weaver said:
personally I think they should have named the 8800gt the 8900gt then named the 112sp 8800gts the 8900gts then when the g92 based 128sp 8800gts is released it should be called the 8950gts....but its somewhat too late for that
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well calling the revised 112sp G80 8800gts an 8900gts would be even more confusing. they probably should have released the the G92 8800gts and 8800gt cards at the same time and called those the 8900gts and 8900gt respectively.
 
It should have been 8900GT, then the new one is 8900GTS, but Nvidia apparently wants to milk dumb consumers into buying the 8800GTX because apparently if it was named 8900GT, no one would buy an 8800 anymore and they'd have G80 cores left around
 
maybe DT called it a G92 8800GTS because they didn't know what to call it? this is for now, a rumor so i'm guessing they called it that just to call it something.

they could've called it 'G92 based GTX' for all we know.

also about the G80 based 112SP GTS, nvidia is probably just clearing out inventory to make room for something we don't know is coming (G92 based GTS/GTX?). i'm sure they have a good amount of G80s that couldn't make it to GTX status laying around. its just like the HD2900Pro, R600s that couldn't run at XT speeds, even though some could.

common sense points to clearing inventory.

and since this is still a rumor, the name is still up in the air. i'm pretty sure nvidia isn't stupid to stick with the same names but i could be wrong. :)
 
aiya said:
maybe DT called it a G92 8800GTS because they didn't know what to call it? this is for now, a rumor so i'm guessing they called it that just to call it something.

they could've called it 'G92 based GTX' for all we know.

also about the G80 based 112SP GTS, nvidia is probably just clearing out inventory to make room for something we don't know is coming (G92 based GTS/GTX?). i'm sure they have a good amount of G80s that couldn't make it to GTX status laying around. its just like the HD2900Pro, R600s that couldn't run at XT speeds, even though some could.

common sense points to clearing inventory.

and since this is still a rumor, the name is still up in the air. i'm pretty sure nvidia isn't stupid to stick with the same names but i could be wrong. :)
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exactly and you basically said everything that I have been trying to. :cool:
 
Stoly said:
really?, you should read the BFG press release that Brent posted on the 8800GT review

UPDATE - 10/29/07-8:29am: A very interesting addendum to this. I just got off the phone with BFG Tech and NVIDIA has been doing some strange things lately. As of this morning, the GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB (unsure on the 320MB) will have its stream processors officially increased to 112, the same as the GT. This should put the GTS back ahead of the GT as per the paper specs. However, the separation in the products is still going to be very small except for those of you wanting to run high resolutions with AA turned on. To do that you are still going to need a $400+ video card..or so. Our new spec GTS is on the way to us now and we will of course be updating you. Given the GT's faster clocks and possibly larger texture unit, we will have to wait and see. Undoubtedly though, the 8800 GT remains a stellar value at the expected price points.
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why not both?

give the G80 GTS a bit more kick so it can justify its high sticker price until it reaches EOL. meanwhile, introduce a G92 GTS.
 
So should I cancel my step up from GeForce 8800GTS 640MB to Geforce 8800GT 512MB and wait a little more?
 
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