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Steve Jobs says he wants third party apps on the iPhone and that Apple should have a developers kit out by February 8th. I was going to make fun of Jobs but this is a move in the right direction so I thought I’d give the guy a pass this time around.

It will take until February to release an SDK because we’re trying to do two diametrically opposed things at once—provide an advanced and open platform to developers while at the same time protect iPhone users from viruses, malware, privacy attacks, etc. This is no easy task.
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heh.. so they are wanting to have 3rd party apps, but then they put some sort of shield up preventing you from making something useful? I don't see how this is going to work. Again, here goes Apple limiting their consumers and developers. If they made it as easy to develop for as the PocketPC with Windows Mobile, they would have a lot more customers.
 
w1retap said:
heh.. so they are wanting to have 3rd party apps, but then they put some sort of shield up preventing you from making something useful? I don't see how this is going to work. Again, here goes Apple limiting their consumers and developers. If they made it as easy to develop for as the PocketPC with Windows Mobile, they would have a lot more customers.
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Who says things will not be useful?
They are just working on a solid design so to keep the iPhone protected, but also allow it to be as open as it can be. Everyone knows Apple is touted as being "virus free," and if the iPhone were to get one then who knows what will happen to Apple.

*Note the "virus free" comment is based on Apple ads and campaigns, as an avid PC user, who enjoys using Macs, we all know this is not full truth, but still a form of the truth.
 
InorganicMatter said:
Soo....do they want them or not?:confused:
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lol this is where I should say "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

Alot of iBrick owners are probably going to think twice now before installing anything.
 
heh, I've never had a virus on my PocketPC's for all the years I've owned them. Even if you got one, all you'd have to do is do a hard reset and re-sync.
 
Just in time for the new iPhone. I wonder if the old ones won't be able to use them or be limited in some way.

I hope that they add a GPS chip and iChat to the iPhone 2.0. That may actually make me jump on one.

Oh, and make a way to actually TURN IT OFF for real. Sleep is great, but that thing SUCKS at managing memory.
 
brywalker said:
I hope that they add a GPS chip and iChat to the iPhone 2.0. That may actually make me jump on one.

Oh, and make a way to actually TURN IT OFF for real. Sleep is great, but that thing SUCKS at managing memory.
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GPS will not be added until the iPhone goes 3G, but since that new 3G which has better battery & cheaper we might see it in the next phone. Though I really doubt we will see it launch at February, maybe an announcement of the next one.

Also, the iPhone can be turned off 100%, who said it could not?
 
The HTC Kaiser (AT&T Tilt or 8925) is out now if you want features on your phone.
802.11g, gps, 3g, wm6, etc...

$150 with 2yr contract @ newegg
$399 without contract @ AT&T Premier
 
w1retap said:
The HTC Kaiser (AT&T Tilt or 8925) is out now if you want features on your phone.
802.11g, gps, 3g, wm6, etc...

$150 with 2yr contract @ newegg
$399 without contract @ AT&T Premier
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That is cool, except it is almost twice as thick (depth), runs an operating system that I find lacking. I will be paying double (plus more, taxes, fees, etc.) than I am currently on my iPhone plan.

So just because it has a few extra features, only 3G and a better GPS, does not mean it is a better offer. It costs more over the long run to own that phone and is larger.
 
Custom firmwares, more 3rd party apps than you can count, and a keyboard you can actually hit the right keys on makes it the deal breaker. ;)
 
w1retap said:
Custom firmwares, more 3rd party apps than you can count, and a keyboard you can actually hit the right keys on makes it the deal breaker. ;)
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Third party applications are finally coming to the iPhone, the keyboard...I have had zero problems typing the second day I owned my iPhone. The only words I miss spell are extremely long words (10 or more characters) when I am typing with the same hand I am holding it with (very rare).

Custom firmwares, who cares...

Your deal breakers are not that big of deal breakers; most of which if you actually spent some time using the phone you notice are on equal levels.
 
Anyone who cares about electronics knows custom firmwares are a top priority. When you have control over the device to make it do almost whatever you want, it trumps anything else close to it. But they touchscreen keyboard of the iphone is pretty bad. If your fingers are larger than a 12 year old's, then you are constantly hitting other keys on accident. With an actual tactile keyboard, it doesn't happen. There are also so many benefits over the iphone that a PocketPC based device has, it shouldn't even be a contest. You are so limited on the iphone, I have no clue why people even buy them. You also don't need a dataplan with a smartphone or ppc phone. I don't have one on mine and it saves me quite a bit per month. I just use the built in wifi. Every public place I go has it.
 
I am very, very tall, though I do not have wide hands, I do have extremely long fingers and do perfectly fine with the iPhone. I know a few people with wider fingers than me and type faster on the iPhone than I do.

Actually AT&T does not sell smartphones with out data plans, you can cancel it after one month, but you must have one month.

Also, I use my iPhone on wifi about 70% of the time, but when I am not near a wifi spot it trumps your PocketPC since I am still able to do anything on my phone will you are not limited. Also the data plans for the iPhone are extremely cheap compared to any other smartphone.

Limited...yes, just like a Windows phone you are limited also, but in different ways.
 
I purchased my pda phone from AT&T without a dataplan. If I'm not in a wifi area, I am able to still use 3G if I am in need to, I just have to press the button which takes me to the screen to enable it.
 
w1retap said:
I purchased my pda phone from AT&T without a dataplan. If I'm not in a wifi area, I am able to still use 3G if I am in need to, I just have to press the button which takes me to the screen to enable it.
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Well, if you are using your phone then it is limited unlike your PocketPC and this is where the iPhone will push ahead over your smartphone.
 
I have the 8525 pda phone.. I'm confused here as to what you are trying to say.

Why advantages does the iphone have over a PDA phone besides the clumsy on screen keyboard?
 
w1retap said:
I have the 8525 pda phone.. I'm confused here as to what you are trying to say.

Why advantages does the iphone have over a PDA phone besides the equal on screen keyboard?
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Have you used the iPhone keyboard at all? You keep putting it down and I want to know if you even have touched one or used one for more than a day?

The 8525 is large, clunky, has mobile internet (I am on the web 50% of my day when outside of my office, which is 4 days out of the week), the moving around the OS between things did not feel natural to me (this is personal preference of course).
 
theDreamer said:
Have you used the iPhone keyboard at all? You keep putting it down and I want to know if you even have touched one or used one for more than a day?

The 8525 is large, clunky, has mobile internet (I am on the web 50% of my day when outside of my office, which is 4 days out of the week), the moving around the OS between things did not feel natural to me (this is personal preference of course).
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I don't see him putting iPhone down. He's promoting the other phone.

However I do see YOU putting down the other phone. I have to go with wiretap on this one. the Kaiser is a kickass phone. And no I haven't tried the iPhone, nor do I want to. :p
 
Yes, I used the "keyboard" extensively on the iPhone. I spent several days comparing the iPhone to the 8525 before I made my purchase. It has too much room for error based on the size of your fingers vs the size of the virtual buttons. With a tactile keyboard, this is eliminated because you can feel if you are accidentally touching the key next to it.

The internet works great and you can go to any website on it, even secure sites. It supports flash, java, php, asp, html, etc.. You can adjust the text size and column support which sure beats trying to zoom in and out constantly with the iPhone with the crippled safari browser. I can also use different browsers on the wm6 os. I'm not limited to just one.
 
Azhar said:
I don't see him putting iPhone down. He's promoting the other phone.

However I do see YOU putting down the other phone. I have to go with wiretap on this one. the Kaiser is a kickass phone. And no I haven't tried the iPhone, nor do I want to. :p
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I am putting the other phone in the sense it did not meet my needs or expectations on what I needed. Also I know the Kraiser is a great phone, I used one, but I also left it because of above reasons.

Every person has a choice in what phone they want, and why they use X phone, but he has not shown that he has actually used the iPhone's keyboard at all and is just stating it is "clunky."
 
lol, you changed my words to say "equal"? Thats sad, come on man. Touchable light up keyboard > virtual keyboard that is too small to touch accurately every time.
 
The internet works great and you can go to any website on it, even secure sites. It supports flash, java, php, asp, html, etc.. You can adjust the text size and column support which sure beats trying to zoom in and out constantly with the iPhone with the crippled safari browser. I can also use different browsers on the wm6 os. I'm not limited to just one.
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Ok, so you after using the iPhone, as I did the 8525, found it lacking and unsatisfactory.
Though in the quote I have, I do not feel left out at all. Yes I have one browser, but I have only had three problems with it the whole time and that was it crashed to the iPhone home screen. And those only happened because I four (maybe five) web pages loading and accessing data at the same time over EDGE, which as we all know is not the best so the iPhone ended up just shutting back to the home screen.

Zooming in and out is quick for me once I figured out a solid method for me to do it. Double tap is my normal way and it has not slowed me down yet.
 
stevie said:
It will take until February to release an SDK because we’re trying to do two diametrically opposed things at once—provide an advanced and open platform to developers while at the same time protect iPhone users from viruses, malware, privacy attacks, etc. This is no easy task.
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This quote aggrivates me.
 
theDreamer said:
I am putting the other phone in the sense it did not meet my needs or expectations on what I needed. Also I know the Kraiser is a great phone, I used one, but I also left it because of above reasons.

Every person has a choice in what phone they want, and why they use X phone, but he has not shown that he has actually used the iPhone's keyboard at all and is just stating it is "clunky."
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You are the one using the word "clunky". I said I cannot accurately touch the virtual keyboard on the iPhone because it is so small. A few of my friends at college that own the phone say the same thing. Please stop trying to say "I said this" when you are putting words in my mouth. It isn't a good way to debate a topic.

I'm still waiting for legitimate answers for what advantages an iPhone has over the PDA phones like the 8525 or Kaiser. The size is one I'll give to you, but that is because it does not contain a keyboard for accurate typing.
 
w1retap said:
lol, you changed my words to say "equal"? Thats sad, come on man. Touchable light up keyboard > virtual keyboard that is too small to touch accurately every time.
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Like I said before, for you maybe, but for anyone who I know that has wider fingers than me, has not had any problems typing. I have extremely long fingers and only find I have problems when I have been typing for to long, but this has happened on any phone I have owned, touchable or now a virtual keyboard.
 
theDreamer said:
Ok, so you after using the iPhone, as I did the 8525, found it lacking and unsatisfactory.
Though in the quote I have, I do not feel left out at all.
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What does this mean.. I seriously cannot understand it. You have to be more clear. Are you saying you own the iPhone and you find it lacking and unsatisfactory? :confused: As far as the second sentence, I have no clue.
 
w1retap said:
You are the one using the word "clunky". I said I cannot accurately touch the virtual keyboard on the iPhone because it is so small. A few of my friends at college that own the phone say the same thing. Please stop trying to say "I said this" when you are putting words in my mouth. It isn't a good way to debate a topic.

I'm still waiting for legitimate answers for what advantages an iPhone has over the PDA phones like the 8525 or Kaiser. The size is one I'll give to you, but that is because it does not contain a keyboard for accurate typing.
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I read to quickly and you said "clumsy" that is my error.
Yet we are in differences in sources we have, I have zero problems along with most of my friends who own the iPhone.
 
w1retap said:
What does this mean.. I seriously cannot understand it. You have to be more clear. Are you saying you own the iPhone and you find it lacking and unsatisfactory? :confused: As far as the second sentence, I have no clue.
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Misplaced word. "You" should be removed.
You used the iPhone and picked the 8525, as I used the 8525 and picked the iPhone. (Longer version)

The other part was stating how your internet has X, Y, Z features, but I do not feel left out by not having those. Some of which actually makes browsing easier (removes certain features on websites that make them load longer).
 
theDreamer said:
Misplaced word. "You" should be removed.
You used the iPhone and picked the 8525, as I used the 8525 and picked the iPhone. (Longer version)
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Oh ok, I see now.
The other part was stating how your internet has X, Y, Z features, but I do not feel left out by not having those. Some of which actually makes browsing easier (removes certain features on websites that make them load longer).
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When you are browsing on Wifi or 3g, the internet will still load pages faster than edge. The windows mobile phones give you the option to disable images while browsing, and it will load the pages nearly as quick as you can ping it which is around 100ms.
 
On a serious note though, what is your list of real advantages?
 
w1retap said:
On a serious note though, what is your list of real advantages?
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Better web browsing
Cleaner OS, access of programs/files
Integration - iTunes, calendar, etc. is nicely done in adding/delete from my phone
Youtube - Lame I know, but this is a great time waster when waiting for a meeting or class
The look/feel of usage - This is a unique thing, but I feel using the phone is easier than most window OS phones.

I am sure there are more that I could list off, but those are deeper things in the phone comparisons.
 
theDreamer said:
Better web browsing
Cleaner OS, access of programs/files
Integration - iTunes, calendar, etc. is nicely done in adding/delete from my phone
Youtube - Lame I know, but this is a great time waster when waiting for a meeting or class
The look/feel of usage - This is a unique thing, but I feel using the phone is easier than most window OS phones.

I am sure there are more that I could list off, but those are deeper things in the phone comparisons.
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You also forgot: it is a REAL iPod, aka a REAL PMP, with a REAL quality audio decoding system. Not a software hack job with a cheezy decoder chip, ala Windows Media Player Mobile.
 
theDreamer said:
Better web browsing
Cleaner OS, access of programs/files
Integration - iTunes, calendar, etc. is nicely done in adding/delete from my phone
Youtube - Lame I know, but this is a great time waster when waiting for a meeting or class
The look/feel of usage - This is a unique thing, but I feel using the phone is easier than most window OS phones.

I am sure there are more that I could list off, but those are deeper things in the phone comparisons.
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- Windows Mobile phones have more web browsers, customizable, etc. Your 'advantage' is a personal preference.
- Like I said before, there are custom firmwares for Windows Mobile phones. You can make it as clean as you want, or as loaded as you want.
- Windows Mobile phones integrate with MS Office, something available on both Macs and PC's.
- You can watch Youtube on a Windows Mobile phone too.
- Look/feel is a personal preference.
 
InorganicMatter said:
You also forgot: it is a REAL iPod, aka a REAL PMP, with a REAL quality audio decoding system. Not a software hack job with a cheezy decoder chip, ala Windows Media Player Mobile.
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This is very true, and like I said most of "my" advantages are just surface items I feel are appropriate to the benefits of the iPhone.

w1retap, as my above sentence states, it is all personal preference. I personally have never been a fan of the windows mobile OS, though it gets the job done, I feel it could do it in much better ways. Whether the iPhone does or makes it feel like it does is either way, but since it feels like it does & I think it does, that is good enough for me to use it and feel comfortable with what it does.

Also, I love computers, and technology, but sometimes I just want something to look and feel right without having to do custom firmwares, etc., and while I am sure it is easy and a hundred examples on the web. Having a device out of the box do it for me, with a mobile phone, is a plus for me and one less aspect I have to customize, manage, etc. in my life.
 
So you are now admitting it is only personal preference that makes the iPhone better?
 
w1retap said:
So you are now admitting it is only personal preference that makes the iPhone better?
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Is that not how anything is?
What is better in X may not truly be better in Y, but some may feel it is so they claim it to be better. "Better" can only be determined if there are set rules, and in the mobile market there really are not other they what you "wants" are and that still goes to personal preference.
 
theDreamer said:
Is that not how anything is?
What is better in X may not truly be better in Y, but some may feel it is so they claim it to be better. "Better" can only be determined if there are set rules, and in the mobile market there really are not other they what you "wants" are and that still goes to personal preference.
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When you are comparing two objects, you don't want to be bias by letting personal preference get in the way of a balanced review. You go based off features and standards.
 
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